NC - Mother charged after infant found dead on Christmas Eve

[Tawny]

I think we are slowly getting there, as far as being more open to discuss addiction within k-12 curriculum as part of health education; also by -don't laugh- having more and more TV characters in recovery (long gone are the days where only Detective Briscoe from Law & Order was an alcoholic), and discussing recovery openly at work and in social circles. However, once you commit a crime while under the influence, you should be treated as a criminal. You cannot use addiction/alcoholism as an excuse/cop out for murder. It helps no one.

So yes, let's work on prevention. Let's talk about it. But let's not allow us to treat it as a get out of jail free card. I am not saying that is what you implied, to be clear

I definitely agree with everything you said.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I definitely agree with everything you said.

That's cuz u iz teh smartz xoxoxoxo

 

[atthelake]

Obviously she wouldn't purchase it. My comment has a much broader solution/implication.

Addiction IS a mental health issue. It should be treated as such instead of treated criminally. JMO.

Thank you so much for the clarification.

Yet mentally ill people get convicted everyday. They may get treatment for something ..or less time due to the mitigating circumstances... convicted none the less ...unless you were thinking they didn't realize what they were doing at the time of the crime ? ..and that would be an insanity plea or such?

Otherwise it's like mentally ill people and it is treated as a mitigation for sentencing ?

 

[katydid23]

Obviously she wouldn't purchase it. My comment has a much broader solution/implication.

Addiction IS a mental health issue. It should be treated as such instead of treated criminally. JMO.

So are you saying she should not be charged for the death of her infant and the neglect of her children?

If I want to kill someone should I just start doing a lot of crack so I can say I was an addict so I should not be criminally liable?

 

[JanetElaine]

Why is the dad getting a free pass? He knew what condition the house was in, knew what condition his wife was in, yet he did nothing? He left his children in her care anyway? He should, at the very least be charged with neglect.

From the links posted earlier he sounds to be talking quite big ("demanding answers"), but how long has he been at work that he came home that night to find his wife and kids in squalor and filth (not to mention his son passed away on the couch)? He had no clue? Color me confused.

 

[Tawny]

So are you saying she should not be charged for the death of her infant and the neglect of her children?

If I want to kill someone should I just start doing a lot of crack so I can say I was an addict so I should not be criminally liable?

LOL Not remotely. If you choose to read the entire previous post, you would see I said it should be treated as a mental health issue to PREVENT things like this. You're being silly.

 

[atthelake]

LOL Not remotely. If you choose to read the entire previous post, you would see I said it should be treated as a mental health issue to PREVENT things like this. You're being silly.

Sorry I misunderstood also when you said the word " treated". I thought you meant in court of law "court treated" as the same versus a treatment as a preventative.


Again thank you for the clarification and I'm sorry I misunderstood also. Nix what I said above about being "treated " the same as I was thinking you were talking about "treatment" of an offender in a court proceeding.

 

[SthrnRaine]

I hope we get a little more investigative reporting down the road that tells us more about the relationship and living arrangements of this "couple". It's sounds like a definite that JA is the father of the baby, but I'm confused about the marital status. They call him her husband, but he says only that they have been "dating" for the last six years. There's some post on her FB that make me think they aren't living together. If that is his home, I would surely hope he will be receiving some charges based on the condition of the house those poor children where living in.

 

[Tawny]

Sorry I misunderstood also when you said the word " treated". I thought you meant in court of law "court treated" as the same versus a treatment as a preventative.


Again thank you for the clarification and I'm sorry I misunderstood also. Nix what I said above about being "treated " the same as I was thinking you were talking about "treatment" of an offender in a court proceeding.

No worries, thanks for your post

 

[atthelake]

No worries, thanks for your post

:seeya:

 

[katydid23]

LOL Not remotely. If you choose to read the entire previous post, you would see I said it should be treated as a mental health issue to PREVENT things like this. You're being silly.

Sorry. Upon reading this sentence, ----"It should be treated as such instead of treated criminally. "----in sounded as though you said treatment instead of criminal charges. I must have misunderstood.

 

[Tawny]

Sorry. Upon reading this sentence, ----"It should be treated as such instead of treated criminally. "----in sounded as though you said treatment instead of criminal charges. I must have misunderstood.

In conjunction with the other quoted posts, I was saying drug addiction should be treated as a mental health issue rather than criminally long before other crimes are committed as a result of the drug use. We tend to arrest, convict, and imprison people for merely using and being in possession of drugs, which I feel should be treated differently before crimes are committed. JMO

 

[1&2&3]

I want to hear more on this story! Something is missing!

If her assault was two days ago, then it sounds like the Father had not seen her or the kids for two days. No wonder all the kiddos were naked! How long had the baby gone without food? The 4 year old was probably able (and use) to getting snack food, cereal, and easy to eat items for she and her sister. The baby looks like he was well cared for too.

The situation does cause one to ask if the Father knew Stephanie had drug problems, how could he skip a day not checking on his kiddos? The filthy house did not get that way in a matter of days, it has taken some time for it to happen and Father has been well aware of the filth his children lived in!

 

[mom2four717]

Interesting way for the father to spin things.

 

[Trident]

Interesting way for the father to spin things.

Yeah, I noticed that. In my opinion, they need to charge him with something.

 

[Hoosgirl]

Lots more info here, including the 911 call:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article52050315.html

Also has a link to a apparently set up by family, with clarifications on what has been reported by media.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yeah, what's this business with dad saying this kind of stuff. Did he live there or not? One article I posted said he had been dating her for 6 years? Oy the house...kind of like the statement he was shocked when he saw her face all bloody and he "screamed".

He identified Tillman as his girlfriend, and said the home was a wreck and he didn’t know why. “I’ve been at work all day,” he said.

Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/latest-news/article52050315.html#storylink=cpy

Link to the other article mentioned.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/30836645...-home-where-baby-was-found-dead#ixzz3ve6hzUhv

 

[sallye818]

I want to hear more on this story! Something is missing!

If her assault was two days ago, then it sounds like the Father had not seen her or the kids for two days. No wonder all the kiddos were naked! How long had the baby gone without food? The 4 year old was probably able (and use) to getting snack food, cereal, and easy to eat items for she and her sister. The baby looks like he was well cared for too.

The situation does cause one to ask if the Father knew Stephanie had drug problems, how could he skip a day not checking on his kiddos? The filthy house did not get that way in a matter of days, it has taken some time for it to happen and Father has been well aware of the filth his children lived in!

1&2&3, you said almost everything I was thinking the last couple of days as I've been reading up on this story! I also need to hear more.

 

[JanetElaine]

There's something totally off, here. I hope LE knows more than they let on.

 

[sallye818]

A deputy who responded to the scene spoke with Tillman, who said the children got out of the house while she was asleep, Seagle said. The door had been closed with a chain lock, which the children pulled, eventually breaking the frame away from the wall, he said.

Authorities notified Allen, who arrived to fix the door before the deputy left the scene. The officer advised the parents to consider other types of locks, and even an alarm for the door.

No charges were filed

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article52050315.html#storylink=cpy

The above was snipped from the article posted by Hoosgirl. This sounds like Mr. Allen did live in the home. This also seems verified by comments from Mr. Allen's family on the page.

So I'm still where I was before...the home nor his wife/girlfriend got like this overnight. I feel like he had a part in this too. I also wonder if the home was as bad when the deputies came the first time (when the two small children were seen wandering outside naked-- by a neighbor). God bless and be with the two surviving sisters.