GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #9

[andalso]

Well i have not seen them nor have i head anyone say they were there.
I would think if they were they would have been lovingly included with the family at press interviews. Her sisters BF was there standing with them.

Now i dont know if they want to avoid whatever but has it crossed your mind that maybe just maybe there is a reason they are not standing there with their son.

We dont know!
I dont know that they are there they have not made their presence known so as i see it they are not there. JMO

BBM...May I ask who exactly you would expect to hear this kind of information from?

 

[C.Hound]

Well i have not seen them nor have i head anyone say they were there.
I would think if they were they would have been lovingly included with the family at press interviews. Her sisters BF was there standing with them.

Now i dont know if they want to avoid whatever but has it crossed your mind that maybe just maybe there is a reason they are not standing there with their son.

We dont know!
I dont know that they are there they have not made their presence known so as i see it they are not there. JMO

BBM

Other than offering up the suggestions that they may not like being in front of the camera and/or don't want to take attention away from focusing on Kelli, the thought hasn't crossed my mind because I don't know these people and don't believe there is any one correct way for an individual to behave in a situation such as this (*shrug*).

 

[andalso]

Well are there any facts that they have?
I just took note they are missing from the equation!
JMO

Again, you do not know that to be true. They are missing from MSM, you can't make the leap that they are missing from the equation. (The equation being, to support MB and Kelli's family.)
Again, you do not have any facts about the role either of his parents played in their lives prior to this, whether they are in fact married, separated, alive. Nothing. IMO, I will say again, his parents should be left out of this.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM...May I ask who exactly you would expect to hear this kind of information from?

Media!
Her sisters BF is there
Her brother
Her uncle
Her hubby

why not father in law or mother in law!

Just a presence heck they dont have to say anything! Just be there !
Who says they have to speak?

this is their daughter in law! and she is missing!
If your daughter in law went missing you wouldnt be there?
Please!
ID BE SO UPSET AND WORRIED nothing would keep me from being there!
JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Again, you do not know that to be true. They are missing from MSM, you can't make the leap that they are missing from the equation. (The equation being, to support MB and Kelli's family.)
Again, you do not have any facts about the role either of his parents played in their lives prior to this, whether they are in fact married, separated, alive. Nothing. IMO, I will say again, his parents should be left out of this.

FACT!
MB SAID he was visiting father in Kissimmee Florida for a few weeks and buying a new car

FACT His Wife is missing!

FACT I have not seen MB's parents so they are missing from the equation as we know it. YOU have not seen them.

and thats a fact jack!

And it seems they are left out of this!

Alll JMO

 

[Portabella]

I can see where MB parents might not be there. If its immediate family work is more likely to give you some time off. If not, you may not be able to physically be present. So many things factor in. Anyone can say what they would do, but each person has a different of work, home and family dynamics, we just have no way of knowing. They may want to be there, but just cannot at this time. IMHO

 

[Eileen730]

BBM...May I ask who exactly you would expect to hear this kind of information from?

If they were there you can bet your last dollar media would say so!

If they were there they would be seen with Kelli's mom sister and brother.

Someone would have seen them.

I just dont think they are there! Why? I dont know!

MOO

 

[Eileen730]

I can see where MB parents might not be there. If its immediate family work is more likely to give you some time off. If not, you may not be able to physically be present. So many things factor in. Anyone can say what they would do, but each person has a different of work, home and family dynamics, we just have no way of knowing. They may want to be there, but just cannot at this time. IMHO

Maybe so but i think daughter in law is immediate family!

To me its a big deal and could mean alot of things!
JMO

 

[Portabella]

Eileen...hugs...I agree...whether they are there or not...its not showing up that they are.
I can just think of so many reasons why they would not be there. Financially it might not be feasible for them also. I agree, it could be considered hinky, but life gets in the way sometimes of what we want to do..... and what we are able to actually do...
But yes, if they are healthy and able, have no work standing in the way, financially sound and able to afford it, have no pets or a great neighbor who would care for them, and if they are heavily involved with their son and liked Kelli, then yes...I would think they would be there. But there are too many if's for me to hold anything against them....IMHO

 

[andalso]

Eileen,
Here's another fact, NH, a known RSO was the last person to be seen with the missing. I can't imagine ignoring that fact, but you seem willing to do so.
If I thought for a minute you were open to any idea that do not include MB doing this the I would continue to debate with you. But, IMO, you have made up your mind and I am just wasting my breath. I will say, I think you are grasping at straws with including his parents role in MSM, or lack there of, as some sign of MB's guilt. But, we are all entitled to our opinion.

 

[JustyThoughts]

:truce:

Posted respectfully....

Seems like the issue of MB's parents is one of those things that we in WS need to agree to disagree (after expressing our OWN opinion) and then just move on. It seems to be one of the issues that we know that we don't know (facts or even media attention).

 

[Portabella]

Can anyone remember who stated that Kelli was on a civil docket, can anyone tell me who posted that, and direct me to a link where I can see it? TIA

 

[Sarg]

Where is VOH today? I am curious-- Do you still think this will be solved? I know it is still early but I would hate to see this go cold.

 

[Muckrucker]

More on the search planned for Saturday:

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/05/03/1175457?sac=fo.local

Volunteers are asked to meet at Pine Forest Middle School at 8:45 a.m

Searchers will focus on two areas around the middle school, she said. They will be looking for the soldier's clothes, cell phone or "any trace of where she could have gone," Wilson said.

Wilson said about 50 people have indicated that they plan to help with the search. Anyone who wants more information can call her at 724-961-1752.

Gavin MacRoberts, Fayetteville police spokesman, said investigators are OK with the search as long as the searchers have permission from the property owners to be on the property where they are searching.

 

[Muckrucker]

Can anyone remember who stated that Kelli was on a civil docket, can anyone tell me who posted that, and direct me to a link where I can see it? TIA

All search functions have been disabled on WS for now (prob the cause of the server/slowness issues last few days), so it will be really hard to find right now without search capabilities.

Maybe thread #4 or thread #5? When we were talking about criminal vs. civil definitions?

 

[sundrop]

Good post Todd. However, if I'm not mistaken the GPS feature in the iPhone 4 has to be turned on and it is not automatically. Also, there's a feature in the iPhone 4 called Find my iPhone application. This may be used.

Perhaps I should copy/paste earlier posts I have made, I seem to be making the same comments over and over and over again with regard to certain facts.

With regard to Kelli's phone, there are several lines of investigation and forensics that take place. The bottom line: Physical location of the phone is not as important as any technological information they have received in the phone's operation. Many people here seem to think that the discovery of the phone will make or break this case and determine where Kelli is. The reality, though, is that the physical presence of the phone is not nearly as important as the other attributes, which I will break down one by one.

1. GPS trail: The phone model that Kelli was using has the ability to trace a GPS trail independent of actual usage, and unless the phone was A) turned completely off, or B) set to Private (both unlikely), then this information would be the most circumstantially correct in determining Kelli's movements. These are the "pings" that police have released, but keep in mind that the police doesn't release all information prior to a court case unless they need help. In short, they most probably have the entire GPS movement trail of Kelli for the past few days, or at least hours before and after she was last seen.

2. Voice protocol (normal phone call) vs Data protocol (Texting, pictures, or video): Technically, every communication through a digital phone is handled in the same manner. What I call "voice protocol" is what is normally understood as a "normal phone conversation" or "voice message." But the "data packets" that are sent are done in the same manner as texting, sending pictures or sending videos. Each packet can be broken down and traced through whatever technological media are utilized: cell towers, satellite transfers, and other switching networks would be forensically investigated through whatever protocols are used. Obviously, if someone say they called Kelli at 2:30 PM on Friday, then the records on Kelli's phone would reflect the time called, the protocols used (in this case, voice), the identification of the caller's phone, and in extension, any medium used to transmit the voice message (including cell tower locations or even GPS locations of both caller and receiver). It can tell how many packets were sent, and even find the exact route of all packets.

3. Once this occurs, they can use the information obtained technologically to corroborate with witness or POI interviews. This is the true value in the technology, NOT the actual phone itself, which is only one piece of the puzzle.

Now, it MAY be important to find the phone to obtain other evidence, such as Nick's fingerprints or other POI's dna evidence. But that is a separate piece of evidence, not a dealbreaker. The bottom line, folks, is that it is not important to worry about where the phone may be and judging LE's performance (or lack of) to that end. Anyway, if you wish, get a more technologically connected poster who can describe what I surmised above in greater detail, but the above procedures would have pretty much been covered. IT forensics is turning out to be one of the most concrete evidenciary trails in LE's armory.

 

[Madeleine74]

If it were my parents no one would see hide nor hair of them, they are just THAT private. It wouldn't matter what anyone thought...they would never go on TV, talk to the media or stand for photos. Well my Dad might talk to someone once, but his memory is going, soooo...it might end up as a rant rather than a conversation.

The point is we cannot assume anything about anyone. Unless we know them personally, we are projecting our own thoughts, feelings and shoulda woulda coulda onto them. I've never found that to be an accurate way to understand a case.

 

[Eileen730]

Eileen,
Here's another fact, NH, a known RSO was the last person to be seen with the missing. I can't imagine ignoring that fact, but you seem willing to do so.
If I thought for a minute you were open to any idea that do not include MB doing this the I would continue to debate with you. But, IMO, you have made up your mind and I am just wasting my breath. I will say, I think you are grasping at straws with including his parents role in MSM, or lack there of, as some sign of MB's guilt. But, we are all entitled to our opinion.

What?
I know he was last seen with Kelli!
He is also in Jail as as far as i know he has not been charged with her demise either.
We dont have to worry about NICK H LE has him
I also thought if he did this he might have given up by now or made a deal.
Im uncomfortable that they dont have anything on him at the moment

I have questions about MB and im sure im not the only one!
We really dont know sheet about him now do we?

And yes we are all entitled to our opinions and i enjoy reading yours!

MOO

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

FACT!
MB SAID he was visiting father in Kissimmee Florida for a few weeks and buying a new car

FACT His Wife is missing!

FACT I have not seen MB's parents so they are missing from the equation as we know it. YOU have not seen them.

and thats a fact jack!

And it seems they are left out of this!

Alll JMO

If I went missing, you'd NEVER see or hear from my inlaws. JMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

:moo:

I hope that does not mean that they are going just to be able to report back here.

Just curious, but why in the world would you think that? WSer's are good, concerned people in my view.

My goodness, I would never think that to be the case. Those searchers will be giving of their time and efforts because they want to find Kelli and/or anything belonging to her. It would never occur to me to question their motives!

:moo: