NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #23

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Yea well I could take a stab at it...

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LOL>>> Hi Kiki....regarding AD's mom....maybe a "good up mother" as she herself said??

I have to also remember how quick she was to say "we don't have money for a reward" and yell "I'm broke!"

hopefully NO enterprising "media lawyer" will stoop to rep her, but who knows??
 
I never read the article where Aunt Carey was told she'd never see Shaniya again- though I've heard it mentioned several times. Does anyone have it?
 
:hug: Sigh... this of course assumes such threats were in fact made. I can see that scenario. I can also see one in which guilt or defensiveness re her own role in leaving Shaniya there could factor in, there's often a grain of truth but I'm left wondering if this was their convo verbatim, whether it may have been overstated eg or possibly not quite a refusal--we haven't heard this from BL have we? Again we just don't know for sure exactly what was said. :(

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Just going by my personal read on things - body language, the totality of their words, the aspects of the situation that we do know - I tend to believe that Carrie did not think Shaniya should be sent over there, and felt both distraught, helpless, and resentful that she was overruled. :sheesh:
 
This is what I can't get past, because it flies in the face of so many things BL has said after the fact.

I simply don't believe him, I think his statements are absolutely crucial to the case, and I guess that's why I just can't let it go.

Just to clarify then you believe BL was truthful at first in acknowledging he sent Shaniya there to live ('give AD a chance to be a mother')... and being untruthful when he since claims otherwise :confused:

Sorry clearly I'm the only one who didn't understand what you meant the first time :blushing: :snail:

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Yes, it's a very bad area. That doesn't prevent someone the right to parent their child if they can, nor does it make a parent unable to have visits.

When my son first came to me as an infant at the age of 3 weeks as a foster child. He had court ordered unsupervised visitation in NORTH PHILADELPHIA. Off and on for the next two and a half years with his birth mom who was already known to be a neglectful parent. On these visits she continued to be neglectful. The judge knew it. I was told " we're giving her enough rope to hang herself" All at the expense of the child, the child I loved and the child that called me mom. I was sick with fear every time. I knew the scum she called friends and ran with. There wasn't a darn thing I could do about it. But lawyer up and fight like hell.

This could have EASILY happened to my son, and it would have been court approved.

But Dad was her legal parent and had standing. He should have returned home, demand mom hand her over, if she didn't.... lawyered up and fought for her.

Key words (IMHO) "court ordered"

many were quick to lay out theories that the visit/living with AD was court ordered

yet NO one, not even BL , has ever said that

the simple and logical answer here was "easiest way out" for the moment

no more TY...maybe money problems....loving Aunt but out of work, single mom to 3...happy to watch her but needs money....

out of town job...hey...thinks to self...isn't it about time AD stepped up to the plate?? It's "her turn"??

I think much of this was done the easiest way...overlook known facts...whistle in the wind...it will be "ok"...maybe AD can "learn to be a mom"..."her turn"

and maybe..that midlife crisis of "it's my turn"...my turn to move west..to be with a new woman...to leave this whole mess, big mortgage, boatload of kids, single mom sister, big daddy role behind

jump in a beemer and go....new life....new world....justify, rationalize, "it's all about me"

Isn't it telling that NO one ever says what Shaynia said?? I have never even heard her sweet little voice or seen a video of her

no neighbors are talking...no family friends....what about her new friends in kindergarden?? did she tell them she was leaving? or going away for a visit?

has anyone ever said where Shaynia preferred to LIVE?

visits with the bio mom...supervised....or short visits...but ?? this was kind of an "adios for now" from what I see

BL should clarify the flow of nonsense..."told her to call me every night">> and then 5 weeks later you come roaring back saying "just wanted to give AD a chance"??

"it's all about ME"
 
Just going by my personal read on things - body language, the totality of their words, the aspects of the situation that we do know - I tend to believe that Carrie did not think Shaniya should be sent over there, and felt both distraught, helpless, and resentful that she was overruled. :sheesh:

Personally, after reviewing the criminal history of the Davis men listed in the obit, I believe Carey would have been terrified to confront AD without protection.
 
Key words (IMHO) "court ordered"

many were quick to lay out theories that the visit/living with AD was court ordered

yet NO one, not even BL , has ever said that

the simple and logical answer here was "easiest way out" for the moment

no more TY...maybe money problems....loving Aunt but out of work, single mom to 3...happy to watch her but needs money....

out of town job...hey...thinks to self...isn't it about time AD stepped up to the plate?? It's "her turn"??

I think much of this was done the easiest way...overlook known facts...whistle in the wind...it will be "ok"...maybe AD can "learn to be a mom"..."her turn"

and maybe..that midlife crisis of "it's my turn"...my turn to move west..to be with a new woman...to leave this whole mess, big mortgage, boatload of kids, single mom sister, big daddy role behind

jump in a beemer and go....new life....new world....justify, rationalize, "it's all about me"

Isn't it telling that NO one ever says what Shaynia said?? I have never even heard her sweet little voice or seen a video of her

no neighbors are talking...no family friends....what about her new friends in kindergarden?? did she tell them she was leaving? or going away for a visit?

has anyone ever said where Shaynia preferred to LIVE?

visits with the bio mom...supervised....or short visits...but ?? this was kind of an "adios for now" from what I see

BL should clarify the flow of nonsense..."told her to call me every night">> and then 5 weeks later you come roaring back saying "just wanted to give AD a chance"??

"it's all about ME"

It makes me sick to admit what a ring of truth this has, my friend. Your blunt thoughts are forcing me to face what I am so reluctant to believe. Truth hurts. Couldn't you just lie or sugarcoat it once in awhile to ease my grief LM... geeez. :(

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Key words (IMHO) "court ordered"

many were quick to lay out theories that the visit/living with AD was court ordered

yet NO one, not even BL , has ever said that

the simple and logical answer here was "easiest way out" for the moment

no more TY...maybe money problems....loving Aunt but out of work, single mom to 3...happy to watch her but needs money....

out of town job...hey...thinks to self...isn't it about time AD stepped up to the plate?? It's "her turn"??

I think much of this was done the easiest way...overlook known facts...whistle in the wind...it will be "ok"...maybe AD can "learn to be a mom"..."her turn"

and maybe..that midlife crisis of "it's my turn"...my turn to move west..to be with a new woman...to leave this whole mess, big mortgage, boatload of kids, single mom sister, big daddy role behind

jump in a beemer and go....new life....new world....justify, rationalize, "it's all about me"

Isn't it telling that NO one ever says what Shaynia said?? I have never even heard her sweet little voice or seen a video of her

no neighbors are talking...no family friends....what about her new friends in kindergarden?? did she tell them she was leaving? or going away for a visit?

has anyone ever said where Shaynia preferred to LIVE?

visits with the bio mom...supervised....or short visits...but ?? this was kind of an "adios for now" from what I see

BL should clarify the flow of nonsense..."told her to call me every night">> and then 5 weeks later you come roaring back saying "just wanted to give AD a chance"??

"it's all about ME"

Yeah, the question asked on the Today Show this morning should have been,"So when was the last time you SPOKE with Shaniya, on the phone?"
 
Personally, after reviewing the criminal history of the Davis men listed in the obit, I believe Carey would have been terrified to confront AD without protection.

...but she's not too afraid to drive over and risk leaving little Shaniya there, w this same family...
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It was reported that AD's son is in foster care, on the same day that BD and AD were not allowed back in the home do to the sewer issue.

7 year olds usually love to tell stories, I bet he has allot to getoff his chest.
In the home pics I never saw a toy.........did any one else?
Just dirty dishes, a couch in the kitchen, cookies on a bed, drinks, glasses and cigerettes, oh an a TV in bedroom...........
 
...but she's not too afraid to drive over and risk leaving little Shaniya there, w this same family...
smileypullinghairout.gif


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As you know, we are on the same page on all of this. Just trying to imagine myself in Carey's shoes. Did she finally say..."frick it, I've been told to mind my own business for the last time (Brad's translation "Carey respected my decisions")."
 
...but she's not too afraid to drive over and risk leaving little Shaniya there, w this same family...
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I know. :( I just have to remind myself that she is single mother with three of her own kids depending on her... For her to go against what both parents of Shaniya were instructing her to do with their daughter would be inviting serious legal repercussions.

She probably also feared that he wouldn't let her keep Shaniya after the "weekend" was over, if she refused to honor their instructions. :(
 
7 year olds usually love to tell stories, I bet he has allot to getoff his chest.In the home pics I never saw a toy.........did any one else?
Just dirty dishes, a couch in the kitchen, cookies on a bed, drinks, glasses and cigarettes, oh an a TV in bedroom...........
That would depend on how much he is permitted to say.
He may have been trained already that if he speaks something will happen to him or someone he loves.
A specialist would recognize how to bond and circumvent that, the child was thrown in to foster care, he may already be totally confused.
It takes a little time to open him up, it may be too soon.
 
I'd love to talk privately to Aunt Carey.
I think she is the only one that cared about
Shaniya.
And she had to do what her own brother wanted, to keep the peace.
I'd like to know what her feelings are about her brother at the moment.
 
7 year olds usually love to tell stories, I bet he has allot to getoff his chest.
In the home pics I never saw a toy.........did any one else?
Just dirty dishes, a couch in the kitchen, cookies on a bed, drinks, glasses and cigerettes, oh an a TV in bedroom...........

Omg no toys, toss a child some kibbles (cookies) in a filthy room, notwithstanding the abuse and horrific ending, most pets are treated better than these poor children, no fresh air or the light of day fgs... presser please!!
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I know. :( I just have to remind myself that she is single mother with three of her own kids depending on her... For her to go against what both parents of Shaniya were instructing her to do with their daughter would be inviting serious legal repercussions.

She probably also feared that he wouldn't let her keep Shaniya after the "weekend" was over, if she refused to honor their instructions. :(

Ok did she ever report any concerns re AD "neglecting her children" to DFS/CPS?? Really, just wondering.

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As you know, we are on the same page on all of this. Just trying to imagine myself in Carey's shoes. Did she finally say..."frick it, I've been told to mind my own business for the last time (Brad's translation "Carey respected my decisions")."

Just one problem I think BL is in control, and Carie had no say.
BUT after hearing, that the baby had cigarette burns, and after suspecting that AD was not a good mother. Then AD tells her she would never again see Shaniya, :waitasec:
I do not believe him when he says that she did not call him out of town and sound alarmed. I DO NOT BELIVE THAT.

SOMEONE here has said that Children's services can show up at your house with no appointment, IMHO she should have gotten someone over there NO MATTER WHAT.

If someone told me I would not see my grandchild, and I was worried about my kid, I would call and take that chance that I would not see them but they would at least be safe.
I think there is way to much BS here.
I think Carie is hurting but I also know instinctively that she has to protect brother, and is Full of chit about some of this.
SHE clearly knew that place was not good for the baby. She clearly is standing by him, and she clearly is hurting too.
She too needed to do more.... :( Soul mates is not enough for me.
I cried a river for this child I did not know. She knew her, so I know she is hurting, but In my book she is not the queen Bee.
 
I'd love to talk privately to Aunt Carey.
I think she is the only one that cared about
Shaniya.
And she had to do what her own brother wanted, to keep the peace.
I'd like to know what her feelings are about her brother at the moment.

I am sure she is torn--conflicted between wanting to support him, and feeling if he'd listened it could've been prevented.

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