NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #27

[LCoastMom]

My theory on this is...
AD needed to score some drugs...MAM is a pedophile...AD decides to let MAM do what he wanted to Shaniya so she could get drugs.

MAM comes to AD's home and they give Shaniya "water" in a cup, Shaniya gets "sleepy"...MAM takes Shaniya to the back to do what he came to do. AD was in the home and knew what was happening...during the abuse the brother wakes up to hear "stomping" and goes back to sleep...Shaniya loses control of her bowels (common in sexual abuse when a child is so young)...it's a mess...

Shaniya's body is really damaged (I hate that word) by this monster...they realize they are not gonna be able to pass this off...he must take her...AD lets him take her that morning knowing Shaniya was not coming back...the plan was MAM was to get rid of her...he instead decides to stop off at the hotel for a last go...(hence the pre-mature phone call to LE to make the false report...AD did not know about the stop at the hotel)...

MAM abuses Shaniya again at the hotel...takes her from the hotel in his car...kills her and dumps her.

Now, I think there was never a sewerage problem in the trailer as was first reported. They found it on the porch, on the railing, on the blanket in the neighbors trash...I think at first look, LE thought backed up sewer. I think in reality, there was just a lot of feces due to repeated abuse.

I think AD was in the living room getting high as a kite while MAM brutally abused her child. She knew it was going on.

I don't think MAM went to the hotel to "sell" Shaniya to someone else...I think he went there for himself.

I know this post was long, but it is my theory. JMO MOO and all that jazz.

AD and MAM are directly responsible for Shaniya's death and they should both be charged with murder IMO.

I absolutely respect your right to state it... here's my problem with your theory.

AD's sister and boyfriend were in the "house" during the night, IIRC. All those adults let that happen to her, under their nose? Why aren't they in jail?

I have trouble with the idea of another rapist too since there has been no talk of looking for another perp, that maybe something LE is still working on IDK. Although I have also read the lengths some rapists have used to prevent leaving behind any dna too...

The psychologist who reviewed the tape of Shaniya holding her feet (or knees) together said it may be a sign of molestation, but her hand resting on his shoulder was a position of trust, she felt Shaniya had no idea what she was facing. I can't imagine a baby who had been sexually abused all night would be sitting in his arms calmly, a lamb going to slaughter. She's 5 but she is no fool - she knows they are going to a room that has a bed - if she had been in a bed, abused all night - I don't think she would go again quietly.

Her bro heard banging maybe they dosed the kids, MAM may have left and returned to pick up his prize and no one answered his knocking, so he bangs.

Bro wakes up looking for Shaniya, AD called 911 - she was clear and coherent... Had already been out in the streets "looking" That's a lot of activity for someone who got wasted the night before.

If Shaniya had been abused so badly that her feces were all over that trailer, I don't see her sitting quietly, in his arms - I feel she would appear to be in pain or ill or at least terrified of the who was carrying her. Which is why I believe LE has not released the video of them leaving.

I have long gone with the the thought that child rape left the child (particularly a young child) in dire need of medical treatment. I was wrong and now understand why it is so difficult to get a conviction in the un-witnessed sexual abuse of young children and why it is vitally important for children to be believed when they cry rape.

One site (and as you will see I was looking through medical and forensic information) only one author documented severe injury would be expected. Of course a child would be bruised and likely scraped (friction burns) but for almost every sign of rape - there is another condition that could have caused it.

Following the physical findings I have also examined NC statutes that would verify some of the reasons that Shaniya should not have been in AD's care and again make me wonder why she was ever there. In the following link I punched in No Carolina in the search box:

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemw...e/index.cfm?event=stateStatutes.processSearch

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/sexabuse/sexabusec.cfm

It is also important to appreciate that for the majority of sexually abused children there are no physical findings. These findings, particularly vaginal ones, are most useful with prepubertal victims.

Despite the progress noted above, the highest probability indicators are ones identified over 10 years ago. They are: pregnancy in a child and venereal disease in a child. Semen in the vagina is the highest probability finding, but it is uncommon.

Bite marks, abrasions, redness, "hickeys," scratches, or bruises may be found.

If there has been forceful anal penetration, it may result in bruising and scrapes. A shortening or eversion of the anal canal has been found in very young children who have been chronically anally penetrated.54 Perianal fissures and scars from fissures are thought to be indicative of sexual abuse.

Erythema or redness and swelling might be caused by genital manipulation or intrusion perpetrated by a significantly older person. However, it might also be the result of poor hygiene, diaper rash, or perhaps the child's masturbation. Increased vascularity, synechiae, and labial adhesions may be a consequence of sexual abuse, but they are common findings in children with other genital complaints.

Vulvovaginitis and chronic urinary tract infections can be sequelae of sexual abuse but also can be caused by other circumstances, such as poor hygiene, a bubble bath, or, in the case of urinary tract infections, taking antibiotics.

http://www.enotalone.com/article/9939.html

However, this progress is not without its controversies. Knowledgeable and conscientious physicians may differ regarding conclusions about certain physical findings. This difference of opinion is primarily due to the fact that data collection regarding the physical signs of sexual abuse has preceded careful documentation of characteristics of genitalia and anal anatomy of children who have not been sexually abused and of variations among normal children. These legitimate differences of opinion have been augmented by challenges to the medical documentation from defense attorneys, their expert witnesses, and alleged offenders.

Genital injuries heal rapidly and can leave no scars. Penile, digital or object penetration of the anus does not always lead to injuries even if the child is seen very soon after the abuse. Sexual torture cannot be disproved by the absence of injuries or scars.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19920333

In a prospective study 205 prepubertal girls (mean age, 5.4 years) determined by Child Protective Services to be victims of sexual abuse were examined. Sixty-five girls (32%) had normal-appearing genitalia, 45 girls had nonspecific findings, and 95 girls had findings considered to be specific for sexual abuse. Whereas normal-appearing genitalia were most often observed in girls reporting digital assault, specific findings were more commonly observed in girls reporting genitogenital assault. Overall it was possible to document the presence of abnormal genital findings indicating or strongly suggesting sexual abuse in only 46% of the patients in this study group.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2916614

1. Many parents, social workers, investigators, prosecutors, defense attorneys, therapists, etc. assume that an abused child will show physical signs of the abuse.

2. In most reported cases of child sexual abuse, however, there is no physical or medical evidence that a child has been sexually abused.

3. For example, Paul (1977) reports that penile penetration in young children results in diffuse and widespread injuries including multiple tears and bruising in the labia, vaginal walls and hymen. The injury will bleed and the child will experience immediate and excruciating pain. If an accusation of penetration in a very young child is made and there is no physical evidence, it is unlikely that the accusation is true.

. Violent cases of sexual abuse can produce nongenital cuts and bruises (Woodling & Kossoris, 1981). Sometimes there is abrasion or bruising of the inner surface of the lips, looseness of the incisor teeth, or even damage to the frenulum of the upper lip in cases where a very young child has been sexually assaulted. Such injuries accompany the attempts to muffle the child's screams (Paul, 1977).

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/library/oklahoma9.htm

The Sexual Abuse of Children: Volume II: Clinical Issues By William T. O'Donohue, James H. Geer chapter 3 said exactly the same thing
(This book was found by Googling physical signs of sexual abuse of a young child.)

Circumstances That Are Grounds for Termination of Parental Rights
Gen. Stat. § 7B-1111

The parent has abused or neglected the child.

The parent is incapable of providing for the proper care of the child as a result of substance abuse, mental retardation, mental illness, or organic brain syndrome.

N.C. Stat. Ann. § 15A-1340.16 (LexisNexis through 2008 Reg. Sess.)

Parental Drug Use as Child Abuse is enough but add to it:

- aggravating or mitigating factors

The offense is the manufacture of methamphetamine and was committed where a person under age 18 lives, was present, or was otherwise endangered by exposure to the drug, its ingredients, its byproducts, or its waste.

As was the case in the house that was raided last summer...

Penalties for Failure to Report and False Reporting of Child Abuse and Neglect

Failure to Report - Gen. Stat. § 7B-310

No privilege shall be grounds for any person or institution failing to report that a juvenile may have been abused, neglected, or dependent, even if the knowledge or suspicion is acquired in an official professional capacity, except when the knowledge or suspicion is gained by an attorney from that attorney's client during representation only in the abuse, neglect, or dependency case...

This clearly says no one is exempt from reporting possible abuse, penalties include fines and jail-time.

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

Can you do a little wooden plaque on the pole saying Shaniyas Garden? Is that allowed?

Thanks for the garden.

Pink tulips up today.

ETA: Plaque on the way.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Lordy Be Lcoastmom, you gave me a lot to respond to. lol
Trying to figure out the best way to do it. Will guess I will snip and reply??? I guess that will be ok.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok, instead of snipping and responding, I will respond in red if that's ok. I think maybe it will be easier to follow that way....

I absolutely respect your right to state it... here's my problem with your theory.

AD's sister and boyfriend were in the "house" during the night, IIRC. All those adults let that happen to her, under their nose? Why aren't they in jail?
My opinion on this is they were there and were also drugged up. I think this house was a drug house. JMO
I think they should both be in jail too, but I think BD sung like a canary and maybe avoided some charges in exchange for some sort of statement so that they would have more on AD and MAM. I think LE wants to make sure they have enough info to make the charges stick.

I have trouble with the idea of another rapist too since there has been no talk of looking for another perp, that maybe something LE is still working on IDK. Although I have also read the lengths some rapists have used to prevent leaving behind any dna too...

The psychologist who reviewed the tape of Shaniya holding her feet (or knees) together said it may be a sign of molestation, but her hand resting on his shoulder was a position of trust, she felt Shaniya had no idea what she was facing. I can't imagine a baby who had been sexually abused all night would be sitting in his arms calmly, a lamb going to slaughter. She's 5 but she is no fool - she knows they are going to a room that has a bed - if she had been in a bed, abused all night - I don't think she would go again quietly.

Unliess, she was drugged up. Maybe out of it. JMO

Her bro heard banging maybe they dosed the kids, MAM may have left and returned to pick up his prize and no one answered his knocking, so he bangs.
IMO, he never left until that morning

Bro wakes up looking for Shaniya, AD called 911 - she was clear and coherent... Had already been out in the streets "looking" That's a lot of activity for someone who got wasted the night before. Not sure I'm following this, but IMO she could have gotten wasted the night before and still been able to "look" around the front yard for Shaniya, call 911, make a false report. JMO

If Shaniya had been abused so badly that her feces were all over that trailer, I don't see her sitting quietly, in his arms - I feel she would appear to be in pain or ill or at least terrified of the who was carrying her. Which is why I believe LE has not released the video of them leaving.
Again, unless she was drugged.

I have long gone with the the thought that child rape left the child (particularly a young child) in dire need of medical treatment. I was wrong and now understand why it is so difficult to get a conviction in the un-witnessed sexual abuse of young children and why it is vitally important for children to be believed when they cry rape. I have heard several times that a small child will commonly lose control of their bowels during sexual abuse...I will try to find a link to support it.

One site (and as you will see I was looking through medical and forensic information) only one author documented severe injury would be expected. Of course a child would be bruised and likely scraped (friction burns) but for almost every sign of rape - there is another condition that could have caused it.

Following the physical findings I have also examined NC statutes that would verify some of the reasons that Shaniya should not have been in AD's care and again make me wonder why she was ever there.

I think she was there due to poor decisions made by her father and aunt, he has publicly admitted that. He will struggle with that the rest of his life. But, no crime was comitted. IMO.
In the following link I punched in No Carolina in the search box:

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemw...e/index.cfm?event=stateStatutes.processSearch











The Sexual Abuse of Children: Volume II: Clinical Issues By William T. O'Donohue, James H. Geer chapter 3 said exactly the same thing
(This book was found by Googling physical signs of sexual abuse of a young child.)





As was the case in the house that was raided last summer...



This clearly says no one is exempt from reporting possible abuse, penalties include fines and jail-time.

 

[LCoastMom]

Shaniya's Garden!!!!

bringing Shaniya's garden over to the current page Thank you for this, I can see where the angel is.

 

[songline]

I can do that absolutey. There was some debate at the time about 'roadside memorials' in NC but quite honestly, it has not been touched- we weed it, and the mowers (highway dept) have left it entirely alone when they mow.

So I will make a very small, unobtrusive sign and stake it in the ground right there. We can remove the angel and stars- that was only put there until the 'garden' started blooming because Oriah was in a fury that the crime scene tape was still up 3 weeks later.

I don't think it will be a problem at all. The road sign itself is already dedicated to a state trooper so I think we should respect that. But by all means, I will make a lovely unobtrusive wooden sign today and hopefully get it up this week. And send more pics.

JTSYS

That is so great - just something, that gives her recognition.

 

[songline]

I don't know anything about quail hunting, but the Cheney situation was ruled an accident and the guy he shot said it was an accident. From what I read quail hunting accidents are rare, but do happen. I guess that's a discussion for the political forum.

I don't think anyone in this case is a big shot in NC. Not sure what Iraq and Holyburton have to do with it either. I don't see the state protecting anyone with the exception that AD should have a murder charge. And, if I'm not mistaken, that could come later. IMO

As far as it adding up for me, I guess it's not. In order for it to be going down like you say...someone would be doing some major coverup in the case. I just don't see it.

JMO

I was using that as an example so it was a possum, a bird, a Bambie, a clown...
He shot the Guy, and NO WAY do I believe everything I read in the news NO F WAY.
And I think there are ways to shut people up.......
But he shot the guy IMO. and was protected and so are others. I used it as an example and I am standing by it.

 

[LCoastMom]

Ok, instead of snipping and responding, I will respond in red if that's ok. I think maybe it will be easier to follow that way....

My opinion on this is they were there and were also drugged up. I think this house was a drug house. JMO I think they should both be in jail too, but I think BD sung like a canary and maybe avoided some charges in exchange for some sort of statement so that they would have more on AD and MAM. I think LE wants to make sure they have enough info to make the charges stick.

I agree the house was most likely a den of evil and you might be right about the other's in the house, but if they all allowed what you believe was going on, to happen - that makes them as guilty as AD and MAM, (in regards to the child abuse and rape and since one felony charge by association makes them guilty of the rest of the charges, the same as AD). I have known a few drug addicts but I haven't known a single one that would let what happened to that angel (and BD's niece to boot) happen. I cannot believe that LE would be able to write all those charges off...

I just think if he wanted to keep do'in what you think he was do'in - in that they were living in - and no one had a problem with it, why pay for a hotel room? (and a pricey one at that..)

I can't imagine a baby who had been sexually abused all night would be sitting in his arms calmly, a lamb going to slaughter. She's 5 but she is no fool - she knows they are going to a room that has a bed - if she had been in a bed, abused all night - I don't think she would go again quietly.

Unliess, she was drugged up. Maybe out of it. JMO

She may have been drugged but she doesn't look out of it - MOO

Not sure I'm following this, but IMO she could have gotten wasted the night before and still been able to "look" around the front yard for Shaniya, call 911, make a false report. JMO

In the statement from the 7 year old, he woke up and asked AD - 'where's Shaniya?' AD answered 'she is supposed to be in the bed with you.' In the 911 call AD stated she had been looking at the front of the park already but not the back and when LE arrived they saw her in a car being driven through the park - I believe by the person who usually picked the 7 yr old up for school at 7 - but that day had been at AD's house early, changed the oil in his car and left - before the 911 call... Not sure what that was all about, but it was in the 911 call or the witness statements. IMO That's a lot for someone who is pregnant and spent the night whacked out of their mind - heck at that time of the morning that's more than I could coherently do and I'm neither pregnant or a druggie.

I have heard several times that a small child will commonly lose control of their bowels during sexual abuse...I will try to find a link to support it.

Most of the reports I read said if a child is raped anally he is more likely to develop a spasm of the sphincter muscles and a hyper reflex response (there is a response called an anal wink, I guess we would call a tightening - it is a reflex that happens when the area around the muscle is touched) that does not mean he or she would not loose their bowels out of fear, pain or need - during the attack. I would think that would be a huge deterrent to some folk, (matter of fact it is something we were told in a self defense class I took years ago - if you can, do it - it may save you from being raped.

I think she was there due to poor decisions made by her father and aunt, he has publicly admitted that. He will struggle with that the rest of his life. But, no crime was comitted. IMO.

I have a hard time putting Aunt Carey in the same boat as Brad, as he replied; "No, she does not step over that line and tell me what to do with my daughter", when asked if she gave him her opinion or something along that line - about Shaniya's care. Since Brad has repeatedly stated he did not know about what went on in AD's place; I was actually more specifically referring to all the other adults who came out and said they were aware of the abuses Shaniya suffered and the drug use in the house. Not my opinion the state was clear:

Penalties for Failure to Report and False Reporting of Child Abuse and Neglect
Failure to Report - Gen. Stat. § 7B-310

No privilege shall be grounds for any person or institution failing to report that a juvenile may have been abused, neglected, or dependent, even if the knowledge or suspicion is acquired in an official professional capacity, except when the knowledge or suspicion is gained by an attorney from that attorney's client during representation only in the abuse, neglect, or dependency case...

There are so many people who could have made a difference and didn't, throwing the book isn't good enough in a crime like this - I want the library dumped on the whole lot of them. MOO

PS I Love your siggy...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I was using that as an example so it was a possum, a bird, a Bambie, a clown...
He shot the Guy, and NO WAY do I believe everything I read in the news NO F WAY.
And I think there are ways to shut people up.......
But he shot the guy IMO. and was protected and so are others. I used it as an example and I am standing by it.

ITA with you. I know things are spun and covered up all the time.
I don't believe everything I read either.

But, IMO, "covering up" for the VP is a lot different than covering up in Shaniya's case.

I think the VP has a little more pull than BL. I see him as a working class man. I don't know what kind of pull he could have with the higher ups in the state of NC. I've not seen it reported anywhere that he does.

I just don't agree with the whole theory that they are not charging AD because they would then have to charge BL. To me, they are completly different circumstances and AD commited a crime. JMO

 

[songline]

ITA with you. I know things are spun and covered up all the time.
I don't believe everything I read either.

But, IMO, "covering up" for the VP is a lot different than covering up in Shaniya's case.

I think the VP has a little more pull than BL. I see him as a working class man. I don't know what kind of pull he could have with the higher ups in the state of NC. I've not seen it reported anywhere that he does.

I just don't agree with the whole theory that they are not charging AD because they would then have to charge BL. To me, they are completly different circumstances and AD commited a crime. JMO

Many people look like regular working class. MANY MANY MORE THEN WE EXPECT....But they are not.
If you think the secret service, moles, spies, inspectors,for certain things, investigators, and others
don't look like a regular Joe, they sure DO. <<<END>>> I wont be replying any more to this topic.

 

[tlcya]

The flowers are lovely - new life to commemerate a life snuffed out all too soon. Bump bump sweet baby.

 

[kbl8201]

well when you look at the guy cheney shot, he did look like a bird

 

[Kimberlyd125]

well when you look at the guy cheney shot, he did look like a bird

:floorlaugh: Too funny.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm just not seeing anything in this case that says secret service, spies, moles, coverups, payoffs........

Since I have been following this case, since the very begining...NOTHING has pointed to that at all.

IMO the only criminal acts were by AD and MAM. So, nothing to cover.

JMO

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

I'm just not seeing anything in this case that says secret service, spies, moles, coverups, payoffs........

Since I have been following this case, since the very begining...NOTHING has pointed to that at all.

IMO the only criminal acts were by AD and MAM. So, nothing to cover.

JMO

Except for the media coverage being knocked back, and the multiple delays, I agree. I still believe there is more than one person who was involved in Shaniya's abuse though. And I would be surprised it they went through many loops to disguise it. Where is the autopsy again re: DNA of seminal fluid?

JTSYS

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Except for the media coverage being knocked back, and the multiple delays, I agree. I still believe there is more than one person who was involved in Shaniya's abuse though. And I would be surprised it they went through many loops to disguise it. Where is the autopsy again re: DNA of seminal fluid?

JTSYS

Oh yeah, ITA about the media coverage being knocked out and the delays...:banghead:. I don't know why they are doing that. Maybe trying to cover for DCS or something. One of the last media reports was that they did not turn all info over for investigation. :waitasec:

There may have been more than one person involved with Shaniya's abuse. But, IMO that night and morning...MAM was there and abused her.
The hotel thing is kinda iffy...maybe they met someone else there IDK...but I think it was just MAM.
ETA: I think he had abused her before going to the hotel because of the fact he had a diaper looking thing under her and we know her blanket was found in the neighbors trash can with feces on it. Not to mention the door knob, porch, and railing.

The statement from Coe, you know the one about Shaniya "never being in the living room" or something like that...anyway that statement has always bothered me. Maybe AD was "pimping" Shaniya out since the first day she had her. Maybe MAM was her only "client" and maybe not, I don't know.


***I HATE TALKING ABOUT A BEAUTIFUL CHILD AND USING THE WORDS PIMPING, CLIENT, ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!! This case makes me sick. AD and MAM make me sick. Drug heads and Pedophiles make me sick****:rant:

 

[Oriah]

Oriah, I will be glad to post the pic(s) of Shaniya's flowers for you, as soon as you un-teach Harley to open the door locks in the trailer without permission. :croc:

(No seriously, ya'll- I'll try to get those pics up by tonight. )

JTSYS

Thank you, JTSYS. Harley no longer will open doors without permission. I swear. Mostly. Unless she changes her mind. :truce:

Can't wait for the purple ones to be up! The tulips are perfect don't you think?- bright pink for a child who loved pink. Maybe we should start a movement to plant flowers every unfortunate time a child is found. With so many members all around the country and globe...this could be possible and then we wouldn't get yelled at by the DOT!

Oriah

 

[songline]

Pink tulips up today.

ETA: Plaque on the way.

OH!!! HOW BEAUTFUL ...THANK YOU :beats:

 

[songline]

well when you look at the guy cheney shot, he did look like a bird

OK kbl :angel:
You do bring smiles to the threads lots of smiles
Thank you :dance:
But Cheney should rot in jail and I am not smiling.:crazy:

 

[songline]

I'm just not seeing anything in this case that says secret service, spies, moles, coverups, payoffs........

Since I have been following this case, since the very begining...NOTHING has pointed to that at all.

IMO the only criminal acts were by AD and MAM. So, nothing to cover.

JMO

then you did not get my example: :waitasec:
no problem onward and forward.
EXAMPLE means example :doh: not everyone who looks like a regular guy IS just a regular guy. next. DONE. over and out.