NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #31

[Laddsy]

Val has...but Zahra's mom?

Biomum was verified by WS earlier on

 

[tlcya]

any insight on the persons involved is helpful to sleuthers it is up to each one of us (especially ME) to keep it together and keep things on track. Not in a modding sort of way but rather posting

especially all of us

 

[darlin gal]

“Baker bonded out of jail Wednesday after bondswoman Rebecca Potter of Plan B Bail Bonds posted his bail. His attorney is Mark Killian, who practices locally. There has been no provisional attorney appointed by North Carolina Indigent Defense Services, as with Elisa Baker.”
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/29/more-evidence-taken-home-ar-492127/

 

[kalekona]

I have one problem with the whole "bio mom found Zahra so they killed her" theory-- KB had not spoken to AB for awhile, maybe since he moved to the US.

I can't say I do or don't believe the bio-mom-- but regardless my heart bleeds for ALL of Zahra's family and loved ones. And the middle of a homicide investigation is in my opinion not the time to air dirty laundry and make it out that Zahra's grandmother is complicate in all of this. I can't even imagine wasting energy trying to discredit someone that Zahra loved and who loved her.

I do know that I had an absentee mother growing up-I was raised by my grandparents, as an adult I know what happened, my mother wasn't mother enough to choose her child over a man- she did the same with my sister and brother who had horrific childhoods, My mother shouldn't have been a mother- but as a grandmother she is a different person-- but what I am trying to explain is my mothers memory of her life is not the same as reality, she has re-written history,probably to ease guilt. So it is just something I think we should keep in mind here. everything Zahra's mother is saying could be her truths but may not be THE truth.

As for the passport issue- we know that KB did NOT want Adam leaving the country so if he forged signatures don't we think KB would have pointed that out to authorities in order to stop the move?

 

[Lera213]

especially all of us

Thank you...I needed that. LOL

 

[LadyL]

Yeah the picture of EB is horrifying and AB is right there with her with me. I use to give him the benefit of the doubt but no longer. I only hope the real truth comes out. They can move the trial to my home town..maybe I'll get lucky and be a juror. *dcackle*

what picture??

 

[darlin gal]

This coming Monday, the Catawba County Grand Jury convenes at ten o'clock. Sources say it is possible that Baker could face more charges later that day.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13407560

 

[RR0004]

Thanks...do you have a link or general location where that info can be found? TIA

 

[Lera213]

what picture??

mental picture

 

[Patty G]

Biomum is actually posting on here? Is anyone else from AB's family or EB's family?

When I stated "now that Zarah's mother is posting" has to do with the fact that she is posting openly on the HM blog site.

 

[tlcya]

snipped from Kalekona

could be her truths but may not be THE truth.

wellput, that is my concern the very diferent truths of the parties involved. I do not want that subject to get played out here at websleuths and distract us from Zahra or worse derail the thread. ty for giving me the words needed.

 

[PunKnLuV]

I saw the post also, but I forgot the date. Yes, there is a $2 theater that shows movies just before release in Hickory. It is BS for SURE that posted it.

I found this where BB and her mother say they took her to the movies. Here is a link to the news article.

Best day ever at movies

 

[darlin gal]

Deputy Police Chief Clyde Deal told Eyewitness News when this case first became a homicide investigation, his detectives had to search to the areas with the "highest probability" where they'd find Zahra's body, based on the "strongest leads." Deal said they recently obtained a search warrant to dig up the backyard not because they were looking for "the smoking gun," but because of two new leads he hopes will yield important evidence. That search warrant has been sealed, police said.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25538458/detail.html

 

[Paulette]

I have one problem with the whole "bio mom found Zahra so they killed her" theory-- KB had not spoken to AB for awhile, maybe since he moved to the US.I can't say I do or don't believe the bio-mom-- but regardless my heart bleeds for ALL of Zahra's family and loved ones. And the middle of a homicide investigation is in my opinion not the time to air dirty laundry and make it out that Zahra's grandmother is complicate in all of this. I can't even imagine wasting energy trying to discredit someone that Zahra loved and who loved her.

I do know that I had an absentee mother growing up-I was raised by my grandparents, as an adult I know what happened, my mother wasn't mother enough to choose her child over a man- she did the same with my sister and brother who had a horrific childhood hoods, My mother shouldn't have been a mother- but as a grandmother she is a different person-- but what I am trying to explain is my mothers memory of her life is not the same as reality, she has re-written history,probably to ease guilt. So it is just something I think we should keep in mind here. everything Zahra's mother is saying could be her truths but may not be THE truth.

As for the passport issue- we know that KB did NOT want Adam leaving the country so if he forged signatures don't we think KB would have pointed that out to authorities in order to stop the move?

It's a theory. Is it just a coincidence that Zahra disappears as soon as Biomom finds out where she is? Or is there more to this story than meets the eye?

KB may not have wanted to turn her son in for forgery. That's quite a call for a mother to make. Probably carries a stiff sentence.

 

[tlcya]

oh I am yawning really big. I think I am heading off to bed. Hoping sources in darlin's link are correct and we are headed towards some charges here.

I think I am gonna head off to find my pillow.

 

[kalekona]

snipped from Kalekona

could be her truths but may not be THE truth.

wellput, that is my concern the very diferent truths of the parties involved. I do not want that subject to get played out here at websleuths and distract us from Zahra or worse derail the thread. ty for giving me the words needed.

I agree and my statement really goes for everyone involved.
I've learned in life It is all about "Perspective"-And everyone has a different one.

 

[Nosee_Parker]

I know next to nothing about the Australian Family Court system. I don't know what it takes financially or otherwise to put in process the recovery of a child from overseas who has been effectively "stolen". I am hoping an Australian poster can chime in with their knowledge. I do know there have been some very high profile cases in Australia of child kidnapping by the parents and it is neither a quick process nor an easy one. One case was never resolved - eventually the children grew up and then contacted the mother when they were able to many years later.

I can Darnudes. Being a receiving parent of child support and understanding the sloppy system that operates here, they are more than happy just to process payments. It's my guess that 'Bio Mum' was obligated to be the 'paying parent' (Child Support Agency terminology) and CSA, due to strict privacy laws here, would not divulge where AB was. I can vouch for CSA being the most useless government body in Aus, they are hopeless.

'Bio Mum' would have her wages garnished if she was working, if she was in receipt of Centrelink income, they would deduct a portion of that as well. If she wanted information from CSA, too bad, they can't give it to her.

Fortunately for me, my ex-husband and I have banded together for the sake of our children and he contributes outside of the CSA environment (i.e. school fees, spending money given to my children etc.).

 

[Lera213]

oh I am yawning really big. I think I am heading off to bed. Hoping sources in darlin's link are correct and we are headed towards some charges here.

I think I am gonna head off to find my pillow.

sleep well

 

[Soulmagent]

It appears she lost custody in court for whatever reason and was order to pay chld support and then was not allowed to see Zahra.

Then Adam left the area with Zahra and her location was unknown to her for the years after. This is how I read what I have read from biomoms post.

Lot of young mothers are taken for a ride in the courts with their children some rightfully so some not. I dont see any of that a reason to doubt her story as it doesnt sound conflicting just as if it is missing details.

I was denied visition with my oldest daughter for a time period. For no good reason other then an *advertiser censored* ex. It took a few months to see her and A few years to fix the custody and even longer to repair the problems he caused her. His wife went nuts and he wouldnt put up with her abusing my daughter so he dropped her off on my door step. After all the lies he told and etc he manned up and protected his kid. Adam did not.

 

[MsBrisbee]

I have one problem with the whole "bio mom found Zahra so they killed her" theory-- KB had not spoken to AB for awhile, maybe since he moved to the US.

I can't say I do or don't believe the bio-mom-- but regardless my heart bleeds for ALL of Zahra's family and loved ones. And the middle of a homicide investigation is in my opinion not the time to air dirty laundry and make it out that Zahra's grandmother is complicate in all of this. I can't even imagine wasting energy trying to discredit someone that Zahra loved and who loved her.

I do know that I had an absentee mother growing up-I was raised by my grandparents, as an adult I know what happened, my mother wasn't mother enough to choose her child over a man- she did the same with my sister and brother who had a horrific childhood hoods, My mother shouldn't have been a mother- but as a grandmother she is a different person-- but what I am trying to explain is my mothers memory of her life is not the same as reality, she has re-written history,probably to ease guilt. So it is just something I think we should keep in mind here. everything Zahra's mother is saying could be her truths but may not be THE truth.

As for the passport issue- we know that KB did NOT want Adam leaving the country so if he forged signatures don't we think KB would have pointed that out to authorities in order to stop the move?

I'm with you on this , I really think we are getting off tract with the biomom stuff, a new element has been introduced and everyone is forgetting the history that led them to conclusions to begin with, this is all fine if the new element actually played a part in the history, but it doesn't. Biomom deciding to talk to members of WS does not change the history of this child. Does not change what happened, or what she went through. Biomom had nothing to do with it, plain and simple, I think it is a GREAT disservice to her to make like this has now all happened because she says she finally located Z. This is not what she was quoted as saying to AU press a week ago. At that time she just found out through the press her daughter was in the States. Surely you all know how much conflicting information there is out there. Zahra's history hasn't changed. She is not dead because biomom all of a sudden decided to talk to WS. What lead to her death was in play a long time before any of us started speculating .