NCAA Sanctions: "DP" for Penn Football, or...?

[Twindad]

The relationship between Ridge and Corbett is tenuous at best.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Corbett"]Tom Corbett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
"Corbett then returned to private practice, also serving as an adviser to the gubernatorial campaign of Tom Ridge. Following Ridge's victory, Corbett served on a number of state commissions including the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency, which he served as chairman."
And this:
"In 1995, Corbett was appointed to the position of State Attorney General by Governor Ridge to fill the remainder of the term left by the conviction of Ernie Preate."
They appear very familiar with each other.
How politics work in Pa. is new to me, but I'm learning.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The relationship between Ridge and Corbett is tenuous at best.

Tom Corbett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Corbett then returned to private practice, also serving as an adviser to the gubernatorial campaign of Tom Ridge. Following Ridge's victory, Corbett served on a number of state commissions including the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency, which he served as chairman."
And this:
"In 1995, Corbett was appointed to the position of State Attorney General by Governor Ridge to fill the remainder of the term left by the conviction of Ernie Preate."
They appear very familiar with each other.
How politics work in Pa. is new to me, but I'm learning.

Very tenuous. The PCCD meets for a few hours four times a year. They give out federal grant money and collect statistics. It is a traditional "office" for someone, of the same political party, that ran for/served as AG. It is voluntary.

Corbett was a temporary replacement as AG who served for about 18 months.

 

[Twindad]

http://live.psu.edu/story/63815
"Del Giorno’s position was created as part of the University’s work to fulfill the requirements of the Athletics Integrity Agreement entered into in August 2012 among the NCAA, the Big Ten and Penn State. The position will be in addition to the compliance officer already working within Intercollegiate Athletics. Del Giorno will oversee compliance with obligations of integrity, civility, ethics and institutional control. The position is expected to report to the University-wide chief compliance officer, a position currently being filled by the University."

 

[Reader]

Negative narrative about Penn State starting to change, Franco Harris says

http://articles.mcall.com/2013-01-2...-sandusky-investigation-wake-of-sandusky-case

Franco Harris, others defend Paterno, university in wake of Sandusky case.

Franco Harris doesn't believe the NCAA sanctions against Penn State will stand, nor is he convinced that the trials of former Penn State officials will occur. Further, the former Penn State running back said, he sees opinions shifting about his alma mater's role in the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

"The narrative is starting to change," Harris said Friday. "The [grand jury] presentment and the Freeh Report are falling apart. The NCAA [sanctions], that will fall apart. There will be no trials for [Tim] Curley and [Gary] Schultz. There's no case. We're starting to find the truth."

More than 200 turned out Friday in King of Prussia for an event Harris hosted and funded, presenting a defense of Penn State and late football coach Joe Paterno. "Upon Further Review: Penn State One Year Later" offered a critical look at the Sandusky investigation, former FBI Director Louis Freeh's findings and the media's coverage of the entire scandal.............

"Yes, in time we believe the truth will eventually vindicate Penn State and Joe Paterno," said Eileen Morgan, a 1990 Penn State graduate who has analyzed the grand jury presentment and the Freeh Report. "But most important, we seek the truth for the victims [of Sandusky], so what happened … doesn't happen again."............

Penn State said last summer that the Freeh Report cost $6.5 million. Anthony Lubrano, a panelist Friday and a Penn State's trustee, estimated the cost at closer to $12 million.

Panelist Ray Blehar, who has served as a U.S. government analyst for 27 years, broke down the first of a series of reports he's writing on the Freeh Report and the NCAA sanctions. Blehar, who has an MBA from Penn State, said he wrote a letter to Penn State President Rodney Erickson last year offering to help rebut the report's findings.

More at link.......

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I think those trials will be going and I expect the sanctions to hold (though the fine money might remain in PA, mostly).

 

[Rlaub44]

NCAA President Mark Emmert's reputation continues to take hits in the media:
http://www.pennlive.com/sports/inde...ent_mark_emmerts_bl.html#incart_river_default

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Fired NCAA investigator, that had no involvement with the PSU case, criticizes Erickson. Rabid football fans cheer.

http://www.centredaily.com/2013/04/04/3565598/ncaas-former-top-investigator.html

 

[J. J. in Phila]

PS4RS now wants access to the communication between PSU and the NCAA:

http://www.centredaily.com/2013/04/05/3567121/alumni-group-demands-access-to.html

 

[nittanylioness234]

Good luck with that, although it would be interesting to see how it all came about, considering that Emmert and Ray give conflicting reports.

 

[Reader]

Hearing set on NCAA request to dismiss governor's antitrust lawsuit over Penn State penalties

http://www.startribune.com/sports/203397681.html

U.S. District Judge Yvette Kane on Tuesday scheduled oral argument for May 1, nearly four months after the Republican governor filed a lawsuit over the NCAA's penalties against Penn State.

Little more at link....

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I was looking at the earlier posts on this thread. These sanctions were suppose to destroy PSU football. PSU had a winning team this year.

I think that speaks to the appropriateness of the sanctions.

 

[Reader]

Judge delays hearing over dismissal of Corbett’s lawsuit against NCAA over Penn State sanctions

Federal Judge Yvette Kane delayed the hearing, set for Wednesday morning in the federal courthouse in Harrisburg, because of plans to attend a funeral for the late Chief U.S. District Judge Gary Lancaster.

The hearing has been rescheduled for 2 p.m. May 20 in courtroom No. 1 of the federal courthouse in Harrisburg.

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/04/29/3598448/judge-delays-hearing-over-dismissal.html#storylink=cpy

 

[nittanylioness234]

Judge expects to rule within a few weeks as to whether the Corbett/NCAA lawsuit will be dismissed or allowed to continue. She seems to have a bit of a sense of humor, stating that the 2 sides are not "in the same stadium."

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/05/us_judge_vows_a_federal_judge.html#incart_river


Meanwhile, a least 5 trustees attended, and the lawyer representing Corbett thought his team of 4 did well:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/05/corbett_ncaa_lawsuit_penn_stat.html

 

[Rlaub44]

I was looking at the earlier posts on this thread. These sanctions were suppose to destroy PSU football. PSU had a winning team this year.

I think that speaks to the appropriateness of the sanctions.

Reviewing some old posts, and ran across this, which I must have glossed over at the time.

I don't think this, the first year of the four-year sanction period, will be the true test. All athletes who were already on scholarship were able to keep them; however, for the next three years they will have twenty fewer scholarships to offer prospective student-athletes, making it likely more difficult to attract high-level talent, and clearly, PSU will not be able to stockpile as many premium athletes as other major Division I programs.

In addition, there is no question that this past season was a surprise to almost everyone. Nobody could have predicted the impact that Coach O'Brien and the core group of seniors led by Zordich and Mauti had on team morale. Without them, and facing the loss of Silas Redd, Anthony Fera and others, a .500 record looked optimistic to many observers.

Coach O'Brien is a terrific motivator and has proven to be a success at developing players (who would have thought a year ago that Matt McGloin would have had any chance with the NFL?), but the next three years will be a better picture of the true effects of the sanctions.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Reviewing some old posts, and ran across this, which I must have glossed over at the time.

I don't think this, the first year of the four-year sanction period, will be the true test. All athletes who were already on scholarship were able to keep them; however, for the next three years they will have twenty fewer scholarships to offer prospective student-athletes, making it likely more difficult to attract high-level talent, and clearly, PSU will not be able to stockpile as many premium athletes as other major Division I programs.

In addition, there is no question that this past season was a surprise to almost everyone. Nobody could have predicted the impact that Coach O'Brien and the core group of seniors led by Zordich and Mauti had on team morale. Without them, and facing the loss of Silas Redd, Anthony Fera and others, a .500 record looked optimistic to many observers.

Coach O'Brien is a terrific motivator and has proven to be a success at developing players (who would have thought a year ago that Matt McGloin would have had any chance with the NFL?), but the next three years will be a better picture of the true effects of the sanctions.

Conversely, someone starting at PSU in 2013 may realize that will have a very good shot at a bowl birth in 2017, his senior year.

 

[Rlaub44]

Because of the discussion in the other thread about the NCAA sanctions, I was reading some old material and found this quote from Emmert at the press conference:

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Q. Can you speak to the decision to vacate the wins from '98 to 2011, and what does that say about Coach Paterno as being the winningest coach?
MARK EMMERT: Well, obviously, the 1998 date was selected because that's when the first reported incidents of abuse occurred and that's when the failure to respond appropriately began. And that was the point of time from which one could make an argument, of course, that the failures began inside the institution.
So it seemed to both me and to the Executive Committee that that was the appropriate beginning date. Again, I'll leave what it says about individuals to others to speculate on. The University's failures, in this case, began at that point in time and that's why that date was selected.
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While I understand why the NCAA needed to take a stand in this matter, this is still the piece of the sanction package that, to me, is wrong-headed, flies in the face of all of the evidence that we have, and makes the sanctions appear unjust. It's basically a meaningless penalty anyway, but vacating the wins was clearly a feel-good attack on Coach Paterno.

I know we have all discussed this before, but re-reading it brought back my incredulousness. 1998 was reported to every agency it could have been, and Sandusky was cleared by LE and DPW; I just cannot agree that the University failed to respond to the '98 report, which was never even within the purview of the athletic department or PSU administrators.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

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While I understand why the NCAA needed to take a stand in this matter, this is still the piece of the sanction package that, to me, is wrong-headed, flies in the face of all of the evidence that we have, and makes the sanctions appear unjust. It's basically a meaningless penalty anyway, but vacating the wins was clearly a feel-good attack on Coach Paterno.

I know we have all discussed this before, but re-reading it brought back my incredulousness. 1998 was reported to every agency it could have been, and Sandusky was cleared by LE and DPW; I just cannot agree that the University failed to respond to the '98 report, which was never even within the purview of the athletic department or PSU administrators.

Based on the Freeh report, solely, I agree. I thought the conclusions there were overreaching.

I am worried, however, that there was more contact between PSU and LE, especially the Centre County DA's Office in 1998, though not necessarily with Paterno.

 

[nittanylioness234]

Because of the discussion in the other thread about the NCAA sanctions, I was reading some old material and found this quote from Emmert at the press conference:

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Q. Can you speak to the decision to vacate the wins from '98 to 2011, and what does that say about Coach Paterno as being the winningest coach?
MARK EMMERT: Well, obviously, the 1998 date was selected because that's when the first reported incidents of abuse occurred and that's when the failure to respond appropriately began. And that was the point of time from which one could make an argument, of course, that the failures began inside the institution.
So it seemed to both me and to the Executive Committee that that was the appropriate beginning date. Again, I'll leave what it says about individuals to others to speculate on. The University's failures, in this case, began at that point in time and that's why that date was selected.
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While I understand why the NCAA needed to take a stand in this matter, this is still the piece of the sanction package that, to me, is wrong-headed, flies in the face of all of the evidence that we have, and makes the sanctions appear unjust. It's basically a meaningless penalty anyway, but vacating the wins was clearly a feel-good attack on Coach Paterno.

I know we have all discussed this before, but re-reading it brought back my incredulousness. 1998 was reported to every agency it could have been, and Sandusky was cleared by LE and DPW; I just cannot agree that the University failed to respond to the '98 report, which was never even within the purview of the athletic department or PSU administrators.

I agree, based on what we know now. But there is other evidence that has not been released yet, so maybe that holds the answer. It could be another shoe waiting to drop.

The other thing I found to be over the top was our "need" for an academic integrity monitor.

 

[Rlaub44]

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Based on the Freeh report, solely, I agree. I thought the conclusions there were overreaching.

I am worried, however, that there was more contact between PSU and LE, especially the Centre County DA's Office in 1998, though not necessarily with Paterno.

If there was, again, the responsibility lies with LE and the DA to control an offender, not the criminal's employer. We also have no reason to believe that the NCAA was privy to any secret information outside of the Freeh Report.

If there were additional contacts in 98, they were likely not a factor in the NCAA's decision to hold Penn State responsible for 98.

Thinking about it in that vein, PSU is punished for allowing the legal system to handle Sandusky in 1998, and also punished for handling him in-house 3 years later. While I agree with the latter, it is ironic that the former wasn't enough for the NCAA or the court of public opinion

I agree, based on what we know now. But there is other evidence that has not been released yet, so maybe that holds the answer. It could be another shoe waiting to drop.

The other thing I found to be over the top was our "need" for an academic integrity monitor.

I think his title is "Athletic" Integrity Monitor, because remember, despite above-average graduation rates, academic All-Americans, and no prior NCAA rule violations, Penn State has a Football culture problem, unlike North Carolina, where athletes can receive grades without even attending classes.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

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If there was, again, the responsibility lies with LE and the DA to control an offender, not the criminal's employer. We also have no reason to believe that the NCAA was privy to any secret information outside of the Freeh Report.

If there were additional contacts in 98, they were likely not a factor in the NCAA's decision to hold Penn State responsible for 98.

Thinking about it in that vein, PSU is punished for allowing the legal system to handle Sandusky in 1998, and also punished for handling him in-house 3 years later. While I agree with the latter, it is ironic that the former wasn't enough for the NCAA or the court of public opinion

It depends what, if anything, that contact was.

If there was no contact, or the contact was that there was that Sandusky does not have a problem, that would not be an issue. The DA's Office and DPW were, in theory, the "experts."

If there was contact with the DA's that was that they wouldn't prosecute Sandusky, "if he received help for the problem," that would be a different matter.

First, it would be one the "experts" saying that there was a problem. Second, were they saying, in effect, that PSU should handle 1998 in-house. With either of these PSU officials would know that there was an existing problem when the 2001 incident happened.

1998 does loom large in that regard.