First of all, I find that highly offensive that because I have questions about almost every aspect of that investigation, I am basing that off of what a film student/producer "fed me". I have dug much deeper than what the documentary put out there by now.
Also, about all of those "TONS OF REALLY GOOD POLICE OFFICERS AND HIGHER RANKING, SOLID, MORALLY & ETHICALLY STRAIGHT ONES WERE" there. Do you mean like the ethical Ken Kratz, who just so happened to be from that "OUTSIDE AGENCY" you spoke of? Because he was there as early as 11/05. Why didn't those morally and ethically straight ones keep MCSO completely out of that investigation? We probably wouldn't be here asking these questions today, if that had happened.
I am not just calling the bullet and the key into question? I am calling MANY things into question.
A. Why was the MC coroner walled off from the crime scene, yet other KEY MCSO officers were allowed to come and go as they pleased, signing in/out (or not) as they saw fit. The coroner had ZERO to do with the wrongful conviction charge or the lawsuit that was pending, yet she is the ONLY one that they chose to recuse. Why is that??
B. Why did they not wait until the Coroner from another county to get there, to properly examine those bones and the evidence in situ, rather than hastily shoveling up the remains into buckets, probably damaging them further, to be sent off to the Crime Lab?
C. Why was there no documentation done of the bones in situ...I have never heard of that NOT being done before this case.
D. Why did they just DELIVER the bones in a box to the medical examiner's office, as they did? She testified herself on the stand during cross that she was confused as to the way that evidence came to be in her possession for examination, because she had no idea that she would be receiving them. She came home from a seminar (I think) on 11/10 to find them sitting in her office waiting for her.
Those are just the questions I have about the CREMAINS alone, there is too much for me to list of everything I found to be WRONG in that investigation. But there is just the start.
Let's not jump all over my comments and re-organize them K?
IN CONTEXT
You said:
"My main beef with the pro-guilt people is that the fact that MCSO had anything to do with that investigation. In all my reading and researching I have been doing I have yet to see ONE person give a legitimate reason for their presence anywhere REMOTELY near there."
And I responded re: THE MCSO guys that shouldn't have been there. Your "beef"
KEN KRATZ, the appointed special prosecutor WAS ALLOWED THERE, no? Two separate topics.
ANOTHER topic: The horse crap fed to everyone- the inference that Cobourn MUST be corrupt and was most likely standing at the car when he called the plate in.
(CUE CONSPIRACY THEORY) AND goooooooooooooo!
PPL have run with that (as the film makers wanted) and gone as far as to say he must have found the car elsewhere, possibly her body as well, single-handedly or with help followed through with burning her body, planting remains, planted the car, etc. TO BE CLEAR before you stroke out, I'm not saying YOU said that. I'm explaining WHY I closed out my comments mentioning him and pointed you to previous discussions about him. YOU mentioned MCSO ppl that shouldn't be there. You said they must be there for "nefarious reasons" only. I'm assuming perhaps you think HE'S one of the shady MCSO ppl---so I encouraged you to go read previous discussions re: him. Not saying that he's cop of the year. I don't know. But a film producer started the ball rolling and conspiracy theorists having helped that ball right down the mountain. There are ENDLESS logical, reasonable, completely NON nefarious reasons for him to have called those plates in. Without him ever having been within a mile of the car OR plates.
Yet another topic: OUTSIDE AGENCY as in the other police officers from CALUMET county. Some who seem to have even stuck their necks out a little on the stand to infer (without accusing) that NO--that key was NOT there during the previous 4 thousand searches.
AND
The FBI assist-- betcha THEY weren't losing their pensions & retirement trying to frame some high profile felon who seemed to be progressively hanging himself nicely over the years.
You also said "Do you mean like the ethical Ken Kratz, who just so happened to be from that "OUTSIDE AGENCY" you spoke of? Because he was there as early as 11/05. Why didn't those morally and ethically straight ones keep MCSO completely out of that investigation? We probably wouldn't be here asking these questions today, if that had happened."
I agree!!! But wait, did I imply Ken Kratz was morally and ethically straight? Must have been a typo.
You "KEY MCSO officers were allowed to come and go as they pleased, signing in/out (or not) as they saw fit."
It seems that you are correct. INITIALLY. I cannot verify this, but it seems as tho SOMEONE ethically sound and conscientious from Calumet County finally said WTF? MCSO is walking all over this place! SOMEONE START A LOG! Direct ALL PERSONNEL to sign-in and out of here. I'm not going down with this ship! (<------totally imagined dramatic scene added to amuse myself)
In general: us "pro-guilt" ppl might all agree with your A, B, C & D. Something definitely stinks in Suburbia.
You said: "I have yet to see ONE person give a legitimate reason for their presence anywhere REMOTELY near there. I have seen many posts that say, " I agree that MCSO shouldn't have been there, BUT there is a mountain of evidence against him." REFERRING TO MCSO personnel specifically.
So let me reiterate: Maybe there isn't ONE PERSON pro-guilt that has a legitimate explanation. Maybe we all agree they shouldn't have been there. We all perceive the "mountain" differently and cling on to our own individual key evidence points and decide for ourselves what is relevant and not.
As for me, I can toss the key chain evidence, the hot mess of potentially magic bullets, and every word out of a sixteen year old's terrified mouth and I'd STILL never let that man walk. NOT HAPPENING.
As far as the bones, I'm assuming the MC coroner was walked off the scene because she was MC? SOMEONE again had an "Umm...let's not and maybe get someone else in here" moment? total speculation. Was no other coroner available? Just curious because I really don't know the answer. Not a deal breaker for me because I AGREE......THEY SHOULD have waited. AS LONG AS IT TOOK.
Last we "spoke" I went digging (all puns intended) and found this:
https://books.google.com/books?id=O...epage&q=remains not recovered in situ&f=false
SMH!! Did regular ole patrol officers handle the scene or what?
I realize there are a ton of questions. I'm SO there with you.
But don't assume that just because I (we?) aren't overly concerned with a few bad apples or don't have answers for some WHY's or how certain things transpired---- that we are off in some corner somewhere DUCKING questions or runnin scared.
Certain circumstances may just be more relevant to you.
And again, if I had a dollar for every time an officer called in a plate to verify DATA because they::: couldn't find their notes, were pooping, were yacking away, eating, interviewing, pen-less, paper-less, Clue-less
ullhair:, off-duty half listening, on their portable radio/ out of range or OFF THE CLOCK for lunch having a "NOON-er" :rockon::winkkiss::censored: I'd be out of this God aweful itchy polyester uniform on a beach somewhere with a Margarita in hand. :seeya:
