Netherlands Netherlands - Teteringen, BlkFem 315UFNET, 15-20, 'Meisje van Teteringen', prob. Morrocan, Dec'90
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Yes, I noticed that too and tried to find a reason for that or criteria. I saw there are more unidentified persons "transferred" to the section 'wanted or missing' Wanted & Missing | politie.nl. Some of them are in both sections of the site (in 'unidentified' and 'wanted or missing' with a file about the case). At first I thought this are solely criminal cases but there are also missing person's cases where a crime is possible but not necessarily. I'm not totally sure why they arranged it like this.
In the explanation is this:
Files <dossiers>
In these investigations, the police are asking for your help to solve the case. You can give tips or indicate how you think the case went (what is the scenario?). You will then be kept informed of new developments in the case.What they actually are saying is that they need help from the public to solve this cases.
My interpretation: this are not only unidentified persons, but the Dutch police want to know the identity, the circumstances surrounding a case and hasn't been able to find more leads to solve it. This are mostly cases with a criminal element.
Other thoughts/interpretations?
This should be a direct link to the girl found in Teteringen. *Warning PM picture at link*
https://www.https://www.politie.nl/en/wanted-and-missingpolitie.nl/gezocht-en-vermist/dossiers/2018/08-teteringen-jonge-vrouw-dood-aangetroffen-in-bos/jonge-vrouw-aangetroffen-in-bos-teteringen.html
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The url isn't working though. ???? Just copy pasted it.
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Elf Nederlandse zaken op Interpol-lijst “Identify Me”
Nederland doet met elf zaken mee aan de Internationale campagne Identify Me.
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''Teteringen girl (NL02)
On 25 December 1990, Christmas Day, the body of a young woman was found in the woods near Teteringen, near Breda. It has never been made clear who she is. However, it is clear that she was killed and probably severely neglected and mistreated before her death. Via the link you can find more information about the case. On the case page there are photos that can be experienced as shocking.''Identify Me: NL02 - Teteringen Girl
Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder
INTERPOL Black Notice: Operation Identify Me - Police search for the names of 22 women murdered
Operation Identify Me is a public appeal to identify 22 women, believed to have been murdered in Belgium, Germany and The Netherlands, but whose identity was never found. Most are cold cases; women who died 10, 20, 30 or even 40 years ago. Despite extensive police investigations, these women...
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Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder
Case name: Teteringen Girl
Case code: 2023-NL02
- Date of death (estimated): December 1990
- Date of discovery: 25 December 1990
- Location: The Netherlands: Near Galgestraat and the Cadettenkamp area in Teteringen
- Sex: Female
- Estimated year of birth: 1965 - 1975
- Estimated age: Between 15 and 25 years old
- Height: 163 cm
- Skin tone: Olive skin
- Hair colour: Probably very dark grey-brown hair, nearly black, with colour change to mid-brown or auburn near the top
- Eye colour: Unknown
- Clothing: The victim was dressed in a red turtleneck sweater of the brand "Carine" and burgundy red corduroy trousers (brand unknown). The victim was not wearing shoes, socks or underwear.
- Tattoos, birth marks, scars: Unknown
- Jewellery: None found
The case
On 25 December 1990, the body of a young woman was found in the woods in Teteringen, near Breda, in the Netherlands. Her identity was never established. However, it is clear that she was killed and had probably been neglected and abused before her death. The body was found close to the A27 motorway near Breda, less than a 30-minute drive from the Belgian border.Characteristics
For at least five years before her death, the victim probably lived in the Netherlands or a similar country (most likely in central Europe, such as Belgium, Luxembourg, France or Germany).Based on photos of the victim and technical information from police experts, a drawing was made showing what the girl or woman would have looked like when she was still alive. When the victim was found she had short hair, but it is possible that she had previously had longer hair. When she was found, she was very thin and emaciated.
The body was wrapped in several rugs and blankets.
Contact
If you have any information regarding the possible identity of this person, please contact the Dutch national police via the form below.
You can also contact them and view this case on their national police website.
Identify Me: NL02 - Teteringen Girl
Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder
Post-mortem drawing based on the victim's face
Post-mortem drawing with red turtleneck sweater
Identify Me: NL02 - Teteringen Girl
Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder
Location where victim was found, near the Cadettenkamp area in Teteringen, the Netherlands
Location where victim was found
Victim's clothing
Lace wrap
Identify Me: NL02 - Teteringen Girl
Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder
Rug in which the body was wrapped
Rug found near the victim
Embroidered V shape on the rug
Striped fabric found near the victim
Blanket covering the victim
Identify Me: NL02 - Teteringen Girl
Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder
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This is a case I started watching after seeing it mentioned on Interpol. It's stunning to me that DNA has tied her to a diaspora community in a specific city, and yet she cannot be identified. Add that to the memorials people put up with her name and face being taken down by vandals...someone knows who she is, I think. I'd say more, but I know this community is very careful with its words.
Wondering if the UID Doe might not be recognized in the community because in life, she was possibly hidden under a burka?
Would a sketch showing the Doe covered up possibly ring a bell with somebody? speculation, imo.
I think it would be very difficult to identify anyone in a proper burqa since it doesn't even leave the eyes showing clearly, and a quick research run says that type of hijab was uncommon in Belgium before it was banned. Morocco doesn't have mandatory hijab or bans on it, though -- but maybe she came from an observant family.
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35 years ago, someone in a burka would stand out like a house on fire in the wide area around Breda.
Nowadays, the burka is (partially) banned from public life in Denmark, Austria, France, Belgium, Bulgaria, Gemany, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Switzerland.
The term i should have used was hijab, not a burka. Would a hijab be possible?
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Hi @9glenn9 and @othram
A few points for clarification.
This is a case in Europe. Genetic genealogy is far less popular in Europe than in the US.
On top of that, the girl from Teteringen probably belongs to a segment of the population that makes even less use of GEDMatch and similar websites. Chances of finding her through these databases are slim IMO.
The Dutch Police makes use of the Dutch DNA criminal database, the DNA missing persons database and the judicial DNA databases of other European countries (INTERPOL).
The Public Prosecutor's Office is preparing a pilot project of two cases in which they will make uses of US databases like GEDMatch in the hope of identifying a victim of one cold case, and the perpetrator of another cold case. They have not named the cases.
From the official statement:
Since the ancestors of many US residents originate from Europe, it is possible that distant relatives of unknown suspects or unknown victims in Dutch criminal cases may also be found through the US databases.
IMO they may get lucky, but chances are that this will be more complicated. If they find one or more relatives in the US, they will have to trace them back to the point where their ancestor arrived in the Americas, and then from that point down on the other continent. If that is doable without another reference point in Europe or Northern Africa, I don't know.
(The search across two continents for the Mad Trapper of Rat River comes to mind
)IMO as of now, the best chance of identifying the Teteringen girl by genetics would be when someone reports her missing and leaves DNA in the Europena database for Missing Persons, or if a relative commits a crime that has his / her DNA entered into the system.
Identify Me: NL02 - Teteringen Girl
Found in the woods in Teteringen, Netherlands, near the A27 motorway.
- Date of death (estimated): December 1990
- Date of discovery: 25 December 1990
- Location: The Netherlands: Near Galgestraat and the Cadettenkamp area in Teteringen
- Sex: Female
- Estimated year of birth: 1965 - 1975
- Estimated age: Between 15 and 25 years old
- Height: 163 cm
- Skin tone: Olive skin
- Hair colour: Probably very dark grey-brown hair, nearly black, with colour change to mid-brown or auburn near the top
- Eye colour: Unknown
- Clothing: The victim was dressed in a red turtleneck sweater of the brand "Carine" and burgundy red corduroy trousers (brand unknown). The victim was not wearing shoes, socks or underwear.
- Tattoos, birth marks, scars: Unknown
- Jewellery: None found
The case
On 25 December 1990, the body of a young woman was found in the woods in Teteringen, near Breda, in the Netherlands. Her identity was never established. However, it is clear that she was killed and had probably been neglected and abused before her death. The body was found close to the A27 motorway near Breda, less than a 30-minute drive from the Belgian border.''For at least five years before her death, the victim probably lived in the Netherlands or a similar country (most likely in central Europe, such as Belgium, Luxembourg, France or Germany).
Based on photos of the victim and technical information from police experts, a drawing was made showing what the girl or woman would have looked like when she was still alive. When the victim was found she had short hair, but it is possible that she had previously had longer hair. When she was found, she was very thin and emaciated.
The body was wrapped in several rugs and blankets.
Contact
If you have any information regarding the possible identity of this person, please contact the Dutch national police via the form below.
You can also contact them and view this case on their national police website.'
Coming from an African Islamic background I want to add some food for thought. A lot of African and Middle eastern countries also have live-in maids that are young poor women from other countries that are abused during their time. It’s not just women. Tons of poor young men from places like Pakistan were hired to work under high heat, very very long hours enduring abusive condiditons to build that one stadium in the Qatar. The guardian states that 6500 migrant workers have died since the World Cup in Qatar.
amp.theguardian.com
Sometimes the victims families are not even aware of the abuse that is taking place. I can’t remember her name but there was a young black girl who was taken from her home in Africa and was abused by someone in the UK. Her family was unaware and told she would be taken care of very well. It was a graphic and terrible case.
I feel this is the case or something similar for this Jane Doe.
Could she be from Algeria or Egypt? If the link to the moroccan family is true but she isn’t a part of that family, I would then look into other people who might have been at the house where they live. Does that family have children? Is there any evidence they might have had a maid/ live-in nanny? I used those terms very loosely given the evidence and proof that she was abused and neglected well before her death.
All of this is pure speculation. Just some food for thought.
Revealed: 6,500 migrant workers have died in Qatar since World Cup awarded | Workers' rights | The Guardian
Guardian analysis indicates shocking figure over the past decade likely to be an underestimate
Sometimes the victims families are not even aware of the abuse that is taking place. I can’t remember her name but there was a young black girl who was taken from her home in Africa and was abused by someone in the UK. Her family was unaware and told she would be taken care of very well. It was a graphic and terrible case.
I feel this is the case or something similar for this Jane Doe.
Could she be from Algeria or Egypt? If the link to the moroccan family is true but she isn’t a part of that family, I would then look into other people who might have been at the house where they live. Does that family have children? Is there any evidence they might have had a maid/ live-in nanny? I used those terms very loosely given the evidence and proof that she was abused and neglected well before her death.
All of this is pure speculation. Just some food for thought.
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