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NancyT said:
I'm sure this post is going to open this thread to a huge can of worms, but Caylee was almost 3 and not potty trained. I know there are children out there who are also not trained by this age, but the vast majority are. My son was slow at almost everything, but even he was trained at 2.

I'm certainly not attacking a child and/or the victim. I'm just of the belief that no one really seemed to work with her. I know people live hectic lives these days, but my husband and I truly lived the rat race when my children were young. My daughter trained by a year and a half, and my son 2 years. Of course, it took a lot of patience and a lot of work to accomplish the task. We were wore out from working too much, but we still found the time.

I'm sure I'm going to be ripped a new one, but this is really how I see it.
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You said the key words patience and work.My daughter was trained by 1 1/2 also but it took WORK
 
NancyT said:
I'm sure this post is going to open this thread to a huge can of worms, but Caylee was almost 3 and not potty trained. I know there are children out there who are also not trained by this age, but the vast majority are. My son was slow at almost everything, but even he was trained at 2.

I'm certainly not attacking a child and/or the victim. I'm just of the belief that no one really seemed to work with her. I know people live hectic lives these days, but my husband and I truly lived the rat race when my children were young. My daughter trained by a year and a half, and my son 2 years. Of course, it took a lot of patience and a lot of work to accomplish the task. We were wore out from working too much, but we still found the time.

I'm sure I'm going to be ripped a new one, but this is really how I see it.
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I'm not gonna rip you a new one, but I will tell you my experience with potty training.
I have a 9 year old that was potty trained before she was 2 (except at night). Her sister will be 3 in January, and is nowhere NEAR potty trained. I should also note that with 9 year old, I worked and went to school full time, and with sis I've been a SAHM.
Kids are different. I don't think the perp was a good mom, but there's no doubt in my mind that C loves Caylee and spent time with her and taught her things. Maybe Caylee wasn't ready, I'm a firm believer that potty training is not something you can make a child do before they are ready. You may be right, given the rest of the circumstances, though. A kid not being potty trained does not an inept caregiver make, IMO. :twocents:
 
chris1990 said:
Bold by me. 45 makes no sense. If she can count to 39 or 45 she would be able to count to 49, dont you think?
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I feel this is so sad to comment about this on Caylee's life ending, but yes if she were alive she would count to 49. It hurts me so bad to say that. Really.
 
actually 45 is a ridiculous # for cindy to throw out there. bottom line is it really doesn't matter anyway. the fact that she felt the need to post this "information" just confirms they have too much time on their hands, time they could be using donations to actually look for her if that's what they think needs to be done. to me, this says to me cindy is feeling very guilty. there's nothing wrong with it... I don't think these people have any clue what their purpose is anymore.
 
EmMomma said:
I think that the whole "counting to 45 in Spanish" was thrown in there for show...you know, Casey is "mother of the year". :rolleyes: I don't think a kid being able to count to 45 in ANY Language is an identifying/vital characteristic, anyway!!!
I'm not saying it's impossible, there are kids who do incredible things. My issue is that, in the videos, Caylee isn't all that clear in her speaking in the first place. Secondly, the perp obviously wasn't engaged and attentive (more worried about boys, Bud Light, and finding someone to take Caylee off her hands), and that's what it takes for your child to excel, especially at such a young age. JMO, of course.
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I agree about the reasoning behind it, that's what I'm thinking too.
 
EmMomma said:
I'm not gonna rip you a new one, but I will tell you my experience with potty training.
I have a 9 year old that was potty trained before she was 2 (except at night). Her sister will be 3 in January, and is nowhere NEAR potty trained. I should also note that with 9 year old, I worked and went to school full time, and with sis I've been a SAHM.
Kids are different. I don't think the perp was a good mom, but there's no doubt in my mind that C loves Caylee and spent time with her and taught her things. Maybe Caylee wasn't ready, I'm a firm believer that potty training is not something you can make a child do before they are ready. You may be right, given the rest of the circumstances, though. A kid not being potty trained does not an inept caregiver make, IMO. :twocents:
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Thank you, my daughter was potty trained at 18 months, fully. My older son is going to ne 3 in February and we are nowhere potty there with his potty training, getting close to getting ready but that's it. Thank you for reaffirming that an unpottytrained 2 year old is not a sign of neglect of bad parenting. :clap:
 
Coley said:
That's pretty harsh. My child is very smart thank you and considering watching Caylee on tape she was mostly gibber gabbing.

It drives me nuts people can't keep comments to themselves that are uncalled for.

ETA: Just b/c one poster posts a video of her daughter counting to 45 in any language does not verify anything. It only shows that their child can.
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Sorry, Wasn't trying to be harsh or single anyone out. I'm am only stating what Ive seen in this thread, which is that some of the people are saying it's impossible or very unlikely that Caylee could do it because their kid can't do it, obviously not in those exact words but that is basicly what is being said. It is very likely and possible that a child of that age can do that. I don't think my comment was uncalled for at all. I apologise if I offened anyone.

In one of my earlier posts I explained that my son could do alot at that age but my daughter was no where near as advanced as him when she was that age. I did the same things with both of them but they learned things differently. Same parent, same activities, different outcome. On the other hand my daughter picked up other things at that age that my son didn't. Maybe Caylee didn't speak very clearly for her age but that does not mean she couldn't do other things like count....even if it was hard to understand what she was saying it is still possible that she could do it. I always find it harder to understand what other kids are saying but with my own what sounded like jibberish to someone else was easy to understand to me because I was with them everyday.

Edit to add: If some people are saying that their kid can do something like that but other posters are saying noway can a 2-3 year old do that "impossible" ..........are the ones with the kids that can lying? That's what it sounds like to me.
 
Laece said:
oh my goodness, i hope you weren't interpreting any of my comments as 'your kid is a dummy'. i certainly didn't mean it that way.

and i think the quote you posted is being taken too personally...i think it just meant as fact that some posters really are basically saying (in so many words) 'if my kid can't, no kid can'.

i really don't think anyone is saying any kids are 'dumb' if they can't say spanish numbers, just that some kids can and some kids can't. does that make sense? saying 'maybe another kid can do this even though yours can't do this' isn't meant to be an insult, just a piece of information to counteract something they know to be false.
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Exactly, thank you for saying it better than I could.
 
Just curious, Caylee's weight and height seems a little big for a 3 year old.
That would put her in the 97 percentile right?
 
I don't believe I said it was 'impossible' for Caylee to count to 45, I just don't believe it with HER (and yes, I was a bit insulted with the post that quoted me). The reason why is that I highly doubt that her mother spent the amount of time working with her that would be necessary to help a two year old learn that much. That would take quite a bit of work and dedication and patience and I don't think KC spent a whole heck of a lot of quality time like that with Caylee (remember the comment about how the baby would have to text her mother if she needed her diaper changed?). I think it's awesome that there are some children that can count to 45 at 2. But if you watched the videos of Caylee her verbal skills were about average for her age so if that is the case, how could she 'really' speak that well in a language that is not her native tongue? I just find it highly doubtful.

As far as potty training goes, there are a lot of parents who believe in not pushing their children to potty train before they are truly ready. Some children are 'ready' at 18 months some not until much older. So the almost potty training issue didn't strike me as odd at all, it actually made me think that the family was somewhat normal in that area.
 
IMO, this new revelation doesn't really tell us much new about Caylee. If we can't rely on the honesty of the fact-giver, we surely can't rely on the facts.

It does, however, reaffirm the love that CA and GA have for Caylee. . . and makes me confused about why, with GA being former LE, they didn't simply request that LE do a "welfare check" on Caylee shortly after KC took her from their home. My experience with these checks is that LE is very cooperative, asks only the most basic questions, and is quite unobtrusive. GA would have been familiar with this option and I just can't get over why he didn't use it.
 
txmama said:
I don't believe I said it was 'impossible' for Caylee to count to 45, I just don't believe it with HER (and yes, I was a bit insulted with the post that quoted me). The reason why is that I highly doubt that her mother spent the amount of time working with her that would be necessary to help a two year old learn that much. That would take quite a bit of work and dedication and patience and I don't think KC spent a whole heck of a lot of quality time like that with Caylee (remember the comment about how the baby would have to text her mother if she needed her diaper changed?). I think it's awesome that there are some children that can count to 45 at 2. But if you watched the videos of Caylee her verbal skills were about average for her age so if that is the case, how could she 'really' speak that well in a language that is not her native tongue? I just find it highly doubtful.

As far as potty training goes, there are a lot of parents who believe in not pushing their children to potty train before they are truly ready. Some children are 'ready' at 18 months some not until much older. So the almost potty training issue didn't strike me as odd at all, it actually made me think that the family was somewhat normal in that area.
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I agree, the counting thing was meant to "show off", there's no way anyone spent that much time with Caylee to teach her that.
As far as potty training, my son was 3 1/2. He just wasn't ready to do it until then.
 
ExpectingUnicorns said:
IMO, this new revelation doesn't really tell us much new about Caylee. If we can't rely on the honesty of the fact-giver, we surely can't rely on the facts.

It does, however, reaffirm the love that CA and GA have for Caylee. . . and makes me confused about why, with GA being former LE, they didn't simply request that LE do a "welfare check" on Caylee shortly after KC took her from their home. My experience with these checks is that LE is very cooperative, asks only the most basic questions, and is quite unobtrusive. GA would have been familiar with this option and I just can't get over why he didn't use it.
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Why?
One word ..

Brainless .. :mad:
 
mendz said:
I agree, the counting thing was meant to "show off", there's no way anyone spent that much time with Caylee to teach her that.
As far as potty training, my son was 3 1/2. He just wasn't ready to do it until then.
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Potty traing .. Glad I'm past all that!

My oldest was done by 2 ..
The younger one, 3 1/2 getting close to 4 :eek:
It happens ..

They're both teenagers now and doing just fine, thanks .. :D
 
txmama said:
As far as potty training goes, there are a lot of parents who believe in not pushing their children to potty train before they are truly ready. Some children are 'ready' at 18 months some not until much older. So the almost potty training issue didn't strike me as odd at all, it actually made me think that the family was somewhat normal in that area.
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Respectfully snipped.

My wife has been a Pre-School teacher for many years, now. Based on her experiences she estimates that 75% of the children she has taught were potty trained sometime between 2 & 3 1/2 years old. So, the potty training thing didn't stick out to me, either.
 
What really bothers me about this recent release is that everything that was said could apply to almost any 3 year old. We know that our little ones are quite unique. If I were Cindy (god forbid!), I would have listed everything that made Caylee DIFFERENT. My Grandson (3 in Feb) says "eleventeen" when he counts or calls peas, "green balls" and refers to all fish he eats as "Nemo." He has a tiny scar on his right ankle about the size and shape of a tic-tac. He has a faint scattering of freckles over his nose. He speaks in complete sentences and asks questions like a little adult, "How was your day today, YaYa? What was your favorite part of the day, YaYa?" He can count in English, Spanish and Mandarin. He understands primary and secondary colors and can identify complex shapes such as pentagon, hexagon, octagon, etc. He can sound out the alphabet to read simple words. He does not like his food hot, he prefers his food at room temperature. He is allergic to milk. He gets a scaly rash in his ears. He is afraid of dogs but loves rabbits. He can identify thyme, parsley, cilantro, rosemary, mint, sage and chives by sight and taste (we pick herbs together). He loves Ella Fitzgerald and R&B. And no, he's not potty trained yet. Cindy's post was as if she knew nothing about Caylee.

:mad:
 
Celt1997 said:
Respectfully snipped.

My wife has been a Pre-School teacher for many years, now. Based on her experiences she estimates that 75% of the children she has taught were potty trained sometime between 2 & 3 1/2 years old. So, the potty training thing didn't stick out to me, either.
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professionally, i concur with your wife. thanks for sharing that.
 
jat said:
Okay, I seriously doubt she counts to 45 in Spanish or English for that matter. My daughter is about a month older than Caylee and we have had the same nanny from Mexico since she was born. She speaks fluent and almost perfect grammatically correct Spanish and I tell you this...she can NOT count to 45 or anywhere close.
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Trust me a 3 year old wouldn't have the cognitive level to even know what 45 is. She may mimic it, but she isn't counting. If you put 45 objects infront of her, she wouldn't get to 45 in Englsih or Spanish.

My son had a girl friend who had a 3 year old sister whose mother bragged that the child was potty trained and could read. She could memorize but not read and we took a 2 hour trip with said child and she had to have her clothes changed 4 times during the trip. Not once did she say she had to go potty. Some parents are sooo focused on imipressing people with their child's leraning and behavior that they make statements that are totally untrue. I see Cindy doing this.
 
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