GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #14

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She's a minor and I find it extremely problematic to conjecture about sexual assaults, what he "probably" did to her etc. in the absence of charges or a trial that outlines the conditions she experienced. (And with her being a minor in addition to a possible sexual assault victim I'd still find any in depth discussion of that super not so great). IMO Let's not re-victimize her.
 
I'm so glad there is justice for Abby... And IMO, Nathanial Kibby has done this before, also took Abby and would do this again if given the chance. LE really needs everyone to let them do their investigation, continue with the searches of his property and any other locations of interest, conduct plenty more interviews and receive info from the public about Kibby and also any possible sightings of Abby the evening she arrived home.

I knew in my gut from day one, this was some type of stranger abduction... one thing I did learn once I graduated from victim to survivor that the ONE most important thing you NEVER ignore is your instinct or "gut feeling" never forget that and stay safe fellow sleuthers.
 
CatFancier said:
I don't believe for a second that she went anywhere with him willingly. Like Jaycee Dugard before her and Elizabeth Smart and so many others, I believe he forcefully grabbed her on that quiet, tree-lined path where the girls last saw her.
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I don't think she did either. My heart hurts for Abby and what she may have endured for 9 months! My kids at 14 were ......well were still kids.
I hope the creep who kidnapped her gets his just rewards.
 
marble said:
She's a minor and I find it extremely problematic to conjecture about sexual assaults, what he "probably" did to her etc. in the absence of charges or a trial that outlines the conditions she experienced. (And with her being a minor in addition to a possible sexual assault victim I'd still find any in depth discussion of that super not so great). IMO Let's not re-victimize her.
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There is nothing wrong with discussing scenarios on this forum as long as the victim is not attacked. I've followed cases here for years and have seldom witnessed posters attacking victims..... very seldom. imo
 
Forgive the OT, but I'd like to stress that there is no shame in being a victim of any sort, whether it is of a crime that is physical, mental, or sexual. That being said, I can think of no good reason for any of us to care about whether any minor has been victimized in any particular way. LE has the facts; public prurience does not help anyone here.
 
Forgive my ignorance of American justice, but what happens now? He likely won't meet bail requirements, so he will likely be held until the next court appearance which was I believe August 12? What happens there? There was a 10 day extension (not sure if that is the correct term) for the police to conduct further investigations at his home, storage trailer etc. And after that 10 day period.......then what? That expires before the August 12th appearance. Since it is an ongoing investigation, I would doubt the police would update much between now and then, unless another arrest is made. But any evidence they uncover, would it not be held until a trial? What is the procedure here? (I know we share a common border and our legal systems are similar......yet different.) Just wondering what lies ahead here.
 
Montjoy said:
Forgive the OT, but I'd like to stress that there is no shame in being a victim of any sort, whether it is of a crime that is physical, mental, or sexual. That being said, I can think of no good reason for any of us to care about whether any minor has been victimized in any particular way. LE has the facts; public prurience does not help anyone here.
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I just want him in prison for every single thing he did. So there is something of a need to know at some point, Imo.
 
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<modsnip>...not sure if that's what marble meant. (And correct me if I'm wrong, marble)...but I got the feeling from the post that it was just pre-trial speculation about the particulars--about possible assaults--etc. that AH may have experienced that were troubling, possibly even re-victimizing. (That sort of discussion makes me uncomfortable as well.)
 
I am struck once more, how very lucky we are to even be working to establish how to respectfully discuss Abby's experience while protecting her from further harm. That is happening because our victim came home! Alive! I still cannot get over it or completely absorb it. She is home! She is alive! I just want to keep saying it because part of me is still trying to wrap my head around it.

All the rest we will find our way through. We navigated discussing her case respectfully while she was missing so we will sure as heck do whatever we need to in order to do it now she's been recovered.

We see so many that end sadly. This return of Abby was so needed. So as much as I hate that this child was kept from her family and life for all this time, at the same time grateful that this unusual character released her.
 
newguy123 said:
Forgive my ignorance of American justice, but what happens now? He likely won't meet bail requirements, so he will likely be held until the next court appearance which was I believe August 12? What happens there? There was a 10 day extension (not sure if that is the correct term) for the police to conduct further investigations at his home, storage trailer etc. And after that 10 day period.......then what? That expires before the August 12th appearance. Since it is an ongoing investigation, I would doubt the police would update much between now and then, unless another arrest is made. But any evidence they uncover, would it not be held until a trial? What is the procedure here? (I know we share a common border and our legal systems are similar......yet different.) Just wondering what lies ahead here.
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Hi I can try to help you out. Please note I am a news reporter/journalist and specialize in crime reporting mainly due to my own life experiences. I report in NH. I am BY NO MEANS an attorney.....
Today was his arraignment, discuss some procedurals, set bail and enter a plea. What Kibby's attorney, Jesse Freedman was arguing for was to have all supporting affidavits for the arrest complaint/warrant and search warrants with all of the current facts and evidence as of that moment unsealed. The judge denied that motion due to the ongoing investigation and also because the AG does have 10 days to respond to that motion.
Because the crime of kidnapping is a felony he will appear at a probable cause hearing. As you said, scheduled for August 12. At that time the affidavits will have to be unsealed so the state shows their burden of proof.
I hope that helps... I'm exhausted right now and typing in the dark
 
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The 'gang' NK started, referenced in fb comments and here a ways back...posting to point out the spelling for anyone trying to find his online personna.
"He called it the Vipers, but spelled it with two 'P's which is kind of sad. I think he had maybe three or four gang members. They used to spray paint on places."
http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news/115548-kibby-was-rotten-to-the-core-according-to-former-classmate
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Two p's that's hilarious considering the pronunciation!
 
Thank you it helps a lot! I was guessing that the laying of one charge at this point was enough to get him out of the way for an unhindered investigation of the premises. And given the evidence they would have, to locking him up.
Thanks again!
 
cluciano63 said:
I just want him in prison for every single thing he did. So there is something of a need to know at some point, Imo.
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I agree with your first point -- that he should be culpable for every indecency or crime. But there are ways of protecting minors from having details about crimes committed against them released to the public. And so I don't really care to hear about every act that he committed. I just hope that he will be committed for them, and given appropriate penalty and rehabilitation. I don't see how the public benefits from hearing that, say, he put this into that or whatever.
 
Montjoy said:
I agree with your first point -- that he should be culpable for every indecency or crime. But there are ways of protecting minors from having details about crimes committed against them released to the public. And so I don't really care to hear about every act that he committed. I just hope that he will be committed for them, and given appropriate penalty and rehabilitation. I don't see how the public benefits from hearing that, say, he put this into that or whatever.
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I couldn't agree more.

IMO I would be perfectly content never learning another detail.

Just that he's convicted or pleads guilty and doesn't get the chance to ever do it again.
 
I figure when I wake tomorrow more stories of NEK's past behaviors will have shown up and more people who know him will have commented on their experience of or with him. I look forward to learning more about the accused. I think we will have plenty to chew on in that regard.
 
Linda7NJ said:
I couldn't agree more.

IMO I would be perfectly content never learning another detail.

Just that he's convicted or pleads guilty and doesn't get the chance to ever do it again.
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Me too. It's disturbing. I don't like or need to know. I'm just amazed she's here and tough and going to see justice. This is incredible.
 
Montjoy said:
I agree with your first point -- that he should be culpable for every indecency or crime. But there are ways of protecting minors from having details about crimes committed against them released to the public. And so I don't really care to hear about every act that he committed. I just hope that he will be committed for them, and given appropriate penalty and rehabilitation. I don't see how the public benefits from hearing that, say, he put this into that or whatever.
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I don't think details are necessary, though I have seen it done with much younger children than sixteen. As I said earlier, it can be taped or done via camera. But the court will need to know what happened to her in order to make the appropriate charges and at some point, she may have to tell a jury. I know it is awful, but also, it sometimes seems to me that we make the crimes against the victim even more shameful by being so secretive about them, i.e. It should not be shameful to a victim in any way if they are assaulted, yet it is common practice to keep names out, etc which , Imo, makes it seem like the victim should be ashamed.

My niece was drugged and raped and had no,qualms about telling what this person did to her. She knew it was not a reflection of her or her choices. Anyway...sorry for the tangent. Jmo
 
cluciano63 said:
I don't think details are necessary, though I have seen it done with much younger children than sixteen. As I said earlier, it can be taped or done via camera. But the court will need to know what happened to her in order to make the appropriate charges and at some point, she may have to tell a jury. I know it is awful, but also, it sometimes seems to me that we make the crimes against the victim even more shameful by being so secretive about them, i.e. It should not be shameful to a victim in any way if they are assaulted, yet it is common practice to keep names out, etc which , Imo, makes it seem like the victim should be ashamed.

My niece was drugged and raped and had no,qualms about telling what this person did to her. She knew it was not a reflection of her or her choices. Anyway...sorry for the tangent. Jmo
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A victim should at a minimum come to terms with what's happened, process it and come to terms with it before making the CHOICE as to who, how and under what circumstances the victim desires to share the details.

This victim is a survivor. IMO she has the legal right to share or not. She doesn't have to cooperate with law enforcement.
Taking control is important since victims typically had that stripped away by the perpetrator. She needs time. She needs professional help.

It sounds as though she's working with specialists and it's tedious. Nine months is an awfully long time...

All IMO
 
A few things to say after reading lots...

I wonder if anyone saw him at the fair? I know town fairs bring out everyone! Maybe he saw her there.

Maybe the crate thing was only used when he left or was having company?

He claims to be Christian. I wonder if he goes to church. If do, I wonder what the sermon was the day he let her go? Could have influenced him?

He is sooooo scary! I hate that so many have experienced his evil! Congrats, Abby, for staying strong enough to get him off the streets!
 
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