GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #14

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Kibby, 34, was arrested without incident at his Gorham, New Hampshire home, about 48.27km north of where Hernandez lives, on Monday, authorities said.

Police allege Mr Kibby knowingly confined Abby, then 14, on October 9, sometime after she left high school to walk to her home in North Conway.

Abby returned home the night of July 20, 2014 but authorities have not explained the circumstances of her return.

She was pale, weak and so traumatised by the abduction she cannot remember where she has been for the past nine months.
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http://www.news.com.au/world/brave-...-nathaniel-kibby/story-fndir2ev-1227006582656
 
I think NEK let Abby go because he had a court date in 3 days and he had no idea if he was going to be sent to jail. If he was sentenced to 30 days she would have died locked in his property. That would put him at serious risk b/c someone would probably eventually notice and instead of being released and being a free man he would be charged with murder.

I think he was smart enough to figure out that his best chance at that point in time was to let her go and be eligible for a lesser sentence. The only other alternative would have been life or death as NH is a death penalty state.

IMO if NEK was not arrested for trespassing, he would have not released Abby.

Talk about a blessing in disguise!
 
bakerlady said:
I think NEK let Abby go because he had a court date in 3 days and he had no idea if he was going to be sent to jail. If he was sentenced to 30 days she would have died locked in his property. That would put him at serious risk b/c someone would probably eventually notice and instead of being released and being a free man he would be charged with murder.

I think he was smart enough to figure out that his best chance at that point in time was to let her go and be eligible for a lesser sentence. The only other alternative would have been life or death as NH is a death penalty state.

IMO if NEK was not arrested for trespassing, he would have not released Abby.

Talk about a blessing in disguise!
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That is the best theory I've heard so far.
 
The court date theory makes sense to me as well, except for the fact that I don't think people usually end up going to jail for trespass. Maybe because of his background this was more likely. What type of hearing was it?

NH has an interesting definition of kidnapping. The unlawful transport and concealment prong is normal, but the part about confining them for certain purposes is new to me. Not sure if they have crimes like false imprisonment in NH. It's pretty broad and doesn't tell us much about what actually happened, but whatever did happen, he was confining her. I hope she is readjusting as best she can. Also, I don't think you can testify via camera. Violates the confrontation clause. Possible to have a deposition aired in court if the witness is unable to testify, but tough. I have a feeling this case will come together pretty well without her testimony, if she does not want to testify, and would not be surprised by a plea deal.
 
I reckon she will testify if she is needed to. She showed yesterday that she is a strong young girl I don't think she'll let him away with a thing.
 
bakerlady said:
I think NEK let Abby go because he had a court date in 3 days and he had no idea if he was going to be sent to jail. If he was sentenced to 30 days she would have died locked in his property. That would put him at serious risk b/c someone would probably eventually notice and instead of being released and being a free man he would be charged with murder.

I think he was smart enough to figure out that his best chance at that point in time was to let her go and be eligible for a lesser sentence. The only other alternative would have been life or death as NH is a death penalty state.

IMO if NEK was not arrested for trespassing, he would have not released Abby.

Talk about a blessing in disguise!
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Wow - that is a really interesting thought.
 
CHERIE.T said:
I pray Abby confides in a parent, a medical dr, a therapist, or other trusted adult because then and only then imo will she truly begin to heal.
Hope she is physically well because I heard on cable radio she could have been confined to a small shed at times..
I can't imagine her fear being away from her family and friends for 9 months..
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For the record, that notion came as speculation from Kibby's neighbor -- identified here as "sources" -- and has not been confirmed by LE.

Reporter: Sources telling us that he locked Abigail inside this orange shipping container behind his trailer.

[cut to neighbor]

Kibby's Neighbor: Yeah...because the thing is soundproof because he likes his guns, and it was a little shooting range back there.
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Starts at about :45 in the video here. http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/local/2014/07/28/arrest-made-in-abigail-hernandez-case/13304519/
 
bessie said:
<rbbm>

For the record, that notion came as speculation from Kibby's neighbor -- identified here as "sources" -- and has not been confirmed by LE.

Reporter: Sources telling us that he locked Abigail inside this orange shipping container behind his trailer.

[cut to neighbor]

Kibby's Neighbor: Yeah...because the thing is soundproof because he likes his guns, and it was a little shooting range back there.
​

Starts at about :45 in the video here. http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/local/2014/07/28/arrest-made-in-abigail-hernandez-case/13304519/
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That post is no longer. thx
 
Regarding lack of online profile(s), it's entirely possible he didn't have internet at his trailer or even a computer. There's still a large(-ish) % of population that don't feel the need to have it. If he needed online services he could have used his employers computers. Maybe he was one of those creeps hanging near malls and stores checking out girls... :sick:

Also, there were a couple of complaints during spring on the bringabbyhome FB page of someone taking down or ripping apart some of her posters. Was it him? They were promptly replaced.

momrids6 said:
Former Conway police lieutenant Chris Perley, who retired last month after 29 years in law enforcement <snip>

"I don't think anyone could have predicted that she would be so close and then to come home unharmed," Perley added.

maybe this will make some feel better....

http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx...ten-to-the-core-according-to-former-classmate
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That article had some really disturbing details.
 
I wonder if Abby had any idea of the outpouring of concern for her safety? I like to think so. Even if she didn't see it first hand, maybe he taunted her with it?
I know this guy is "only" accused and not convicted but sure hope they get more on him then the 7 yr. sentence.
 
Funny you mention that newguy123. I had a hard time sleeping last night. I kept turning this case over and over in my mind. Someone mentioned what a frightening trepidatious walk she may have had after her release. It occurred to me if she had been kept isolated somewhere and kept from the news, did she see the billboards and posters as he drove her to the drop point? Did she see them after, when walking? When did she realize how hard everyone had looked? Her face everywhere? Had she been told no one cared? No one was looking?

What a surreal walk that must have been. Did she see the evidence of everyone's concern? Did that comfort her? Was it overwhelming to realize? Or was she so focused on one foot after another and getting home, to safety, that she never even gave it a thought?

I thought of Abby a great deal last night as I lay trying to sleep. So young. So much to grasp, absorb and conquer.
 
http://www.necn.com/07/29/14/Who-is-Nathaniel-Kibby/landing.html?blockID=869818&feedID=11110

Kibby made several court appearances, including one for another charge of simple assault and criminal trespassing in March of this year, all during the nine-month time frame when Hernandez was missing.

Officials from Kibby's former employer, E.M.M. Precision in Conway, say he was a model employee, showing up to work every day - even on the day Hernandez was kidnapped.

The owner of EMM Precision in Conway says Kibby was a machine operator for the past five years. He was laid off in April because of a lack of business coming into the company.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/team-5-kibby-charged-in-1998-incident-with-girl-16/27212818#ixzz38xPeuk5m

so for six months he went to work every day leaving her somehow restrained or locked in... perhaps the prosecution has video evidence of him leaving emm precision on October 9th? in a navy blue pickup? her phone pinged far north of school at 3:07 (or it was a text, some kind of communication, I can't remember) so he would've left work around 2:30, correct?
 
Steleheart said:
BBM
<snipped>

"The man charged with kidnapping 15-year-old Abigail Hernandez held her against her will in a storage container behind his trailer, according to a law enforcement source."

http://www.necn.com/07/28/14/Police...dez-/landing.html?blockID=869765&feedID=11106


ETA: I'm not sure how much credibility to give it since news sources keep changing their source for that information.
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Good point. It's one thing for a reporter to hear/overhear a police officer saying a neighbor told him he thought "crazy" Kibby probably kept her locked up in that (and that is the only thing we have on tape at this point); it's quite another for a LE investigation to determine via evidence-gathering (DNA and other more obvious clues) that she was kept in there. Call me a skeptic, but I'm going to assume at this point that container was taped off just like the storage shed and trailer were--because they were all part of his total residential living area. It's procedural--LE wouldn't want to contaminate any possible source of evidence.

ETA: (See Bessie's post for link to video.)
 
white rabbit said:
http://www.necn.com/07/29/14/Who-is-Nathaniel-Kibby/landing.html?blockID=869818&feedID=11110

Kibby made several court appearances, including one for another charge of simple assault and criminal trespassing in March of this year, all during the nine-month time frame when Hernandez was missing.

Officials from Kibby's former employer, E.M.M. Precision in Conway, say he was a model employee, showing up to work every day - even on the day Hernandez was kidnapped.

The owner of EMM Precision in Conway says Kibby was a machine operator for the past five years. He was laid off in April because of a lack of business coming into the company.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/team-5-kibby-charged-in-1998-incident-with-girl-16/27212818#ixzz38xPeuk5m

so for six months he went to work every day leaving her somehow restrained or locked in... perhaps the prosecution has video evidence of him leaving emm precision on October 9th? in a navy blue pickup? her phone pinged far north of school at 3:07 (or it was a text, some kind of communication, I can't remember) so he would've left work around 2:30, correct?
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My thinking on this work issue was wondering if he worked a 7-3 first shift and saw Abby on his way home from work, North-South Road looks like a possible route from EMM Precision back to Route 16 and on to Gorham. When I looked at the map I thought, oh yes, the North-South Route would avoid the main route for awhile, which during the foliage season was probably crowded with tourist traffic. I know that locals avoid the main drag. Someone earlier posted a map showing that the North South Road was not far from EMM precision and a likely route home for Kibby. I tried to look on their website for a clue to their shift hours, but no luck.
 
Steleheart said:
BBM
<snipped>

"The man charged with kidnapping 15-year-old Abigail Hernandez held her against her will in a storage container behind his trailer, according to a law enforcement source."

http://www.necn.com/07/28/14/Police...dez-/landing.html?blockID=869765&feedID=11106


ETA: I'm not sure how much credibility to give it since news sources keep changing their source for that information.
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Given the inaccuracies I've seen with my own local media in reporting cases I've been involved in, I'd take everything with a huge grain of salt, even courtroom proceedings. Journalism isn't what it used to be. People are in too much of a hurry to scoop others, or are reporting rumors as fact from unnamed sources, with very little investigation to back up their reporting.

There are good journalists, but unless I know personally the journalist reporting and the caliber of his/her work, I'm cautious in believing mainstream media as fact.
 
Linda7NJ said:
A victim should at a minimum come to terms with what's happened, process it and come to terms with it before making the CHOICE as to who, how and under what circumstances the victim desires to share the details.

This victim is a survivor. IMO she has the legal right to share or not. She doesn't have to cooperate with law enforcement.
Taking control is important since victims typically had that stripped away by the perpetrator. She needs time. She needs professional help.

It sounds as though she's working with specialists and it's tedious. Nine months is an awfully long time...

All IMO
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If a victim did not share information and cooperate with law enforcement/courts how could the system proceed? Granted, when a victim is never found or is found deceased it is a different situation.
 
Steleheart said:
BBM
<snipped>

"The man charged with kidnapping 15-year-old Abigail Hernandez held her against her will in a storage container behind his trailer, according to a law enforcement source."

http://www.necn.com/07/28/14/Police...dez-/landing.html?blockID=869765&feedID=11106


ETA: I'm not sure how much credibility to give it since news sources keep changing their source for that information.
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Definitely with a grain of salt since it wasn't in the charge at his arraignment.
 
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