NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female, 23-33, & 3 Children, under 11, Nov'85 & May'00 #3

[pixiepixel]

He was certainly physically abusive to his first family, both his wife and children. Very cruel, torturous, not just impulsive violence, though there was a lot of that, too. I seem to remember cigarette burns on one of the kids being impetus for his wife to gather her kids and flee. Source was a documentary... I think it was called The Chameleon Killer.

I don't know if there is public evidence of him being sexually abusive of children. His children from his first family and the child he abducted and abandoned as a living Jane Doe would probably know.

MOO

I believe his biological son has confirmed that he was sexually abusive.

 

[iamshadow21]

I believe his biological son has confirmed that he was sexually abusive.

Fair enough. It's been a long time since I read or watched anything about the case, and I didn't want to misstate that it was a fact when it wasn't. It's easy to conflate Terry Rasmussen with Franklin Delano Floyd. Both were chameleonic identity thieves and conmen, serial killers who preyed on women with kids across the country at about the same time. Floyd's sexual abuse of children is much more known and forward - there was eye witness, anecdotal, and photographic evidence that was unmistakable. I've read about Floyd more recently, so his crimes are fresher in my mind.

MOO

 

[Stephen2016]

He was certainly physically abusive to his first family, both his wife and children. Very cruel, torturous, not just impulsive violence, though there was a lot of that, too. I seem to remember cigarette burns on one of the kids being impetus for his wife to gather her kids and flee. Source was a documentary... I think it was called The Chameleon Killer.

I don't know if there is public evidence of him being sexually abusive of children. His children from his first family and the child he abducted and abandoned as a living Jane Doe would probably know.

MOO

I don't think that "Finding Lisa", Boston Globe Article may of said to the effect as to why the potential adoptee may of spoken with authorities about the child. She didn't learn those things out of the blue. Though you could be right, abandonment yes, other things maybe.

 

[Stephen2016]

I guess if they can map DNA, at some point 5 generations might not be so bad. There was once an organization that had people volunteer there computers to listen for sounds recorded from space. I think it was the SETI institute. Wonder if they use that software with the DNA base that is out there. They probably do or something like it. Otherwise the middle child probably would be identified by now. Or they don't have enough samples in the data base.

 

[Alleykins]

I guess if they can map DNA, at some point 5 generations might not be so bad. There was once an organization that had people volunteer there computers to listen for sounds recorded from space. I think it was the SETI institute. Wonder if they use that software with the DNA base that is out there. They probably do or something like it. Otherwise the middle child probably would be identified by now. Or they don't have enough samples in the data base.

That was the SETI at home project. I believe it was discontinued in 2020.
The MC's DNA is currently in the Forensic/Investigative genetic genealogy pipeline. I believe Barbara Rae-Venter's group is doing the research. Last I knew, they had built a family tree with thousands of distant relatives on it, the closest match was around a 4th cousin. None of the relatives who have been contacted have any idea who the MC is, or who her mother is/was. The research team has a pretty good grasp on who her genetic family is, so it's not a matter of DNA sampling. It's that her extended family doesn't know who she is. This could be due to an NPE or adoption somewhere in the MC's lineage. This is the latest information I have, I'm not part of their group so I'm not privy to more recent updates, that's why I asked @forthevictims if he might.

 

[forthevictims]

That was the SETI at home project. I believe it was discontinued in 2020.
The MC's DNA is currently in the Forensic/Investigative genetic genealogy pipeline. I believe Barbara Rae-Venter's group is doing the research. Last I knew, they had built a family tree with thousands of distant relatives on it, the closest match was around a 4th cousin. None of the relatives who have been contacted have any idea who the MC is, or who her mother is/was. The research team has a pretty good grasp on who her genetic family is, so it's not a matter of DNA sampling. It's that her extended family doesn't know who she is. This could be due to an NPE or adoption somewhere in the MC's lineage. This is the latest information I have, I'm not part of their group so I'm not privy to more recent updates, that's why I asked @forthevictims if he might.

As for identifying the MC-How would I put this tactfully? NH currently is not up on how IGG has to work.....so unless there is a lucky big match that happens I have my doubts. As for Rasmussen's behavior-yes he sexually abused and mentally and physically controlled and tormented his victims. If his wife had not run with the kids when she found cigarette burns on their son I'm sure they would have all been dead too.

 

[Melt71]

@forthevictims Ugh on the LE angle. Where does the team go from here, once the tree is built out this far? Does the team just keep contacting more people, or does it become more passive ie: regularly checking for new uploads?

 

[Stephen2016]

@forthevictims Ugh on the LE angle. Where does the team go from here, once the tree is built out this far? Does the team just keep contacting more people, or does it become more passive ie: regularly checking for new uploads?

There has to be a clue that will open this wide open.

True, but I don’t think that it seems likely that they made it to 1980, especially if we consider the general timeline the isotopes layout (as in time periods, not the locations).

I was wondering about the isotopes. I believe the victims or just the still Unidentified victim was only in the Northeast corridor for a short period of time. Estimated death if Sarah was born Dec 1977 and the middle child was 2-4 about a year apart either way. So which I assume means the Unidentified child was probably born 1976 being one year older than the estimated Age 1-3. Conception late 75 or early 76. If only 2wks to 3 moths in that location, and he didn't list a spouse when arrested in October but did prior, last arrest listed was in May 1980 that he had a spouse. 12-21-1979 he bounced the check and in January an Elizabeth Evans signed a certified letter. 3 months from January is April 1980, May a spouse was listed. I guess I'm wondering may there have been another Elizabeth Evans. I am not that familiar with Isotyping but it seems it would of been impossible for the victims if only in the North East 2 weeks to 3 months to sign that certified in January 1980. But someone named Robert Evans lived at that address it appears. And assuming it was Bob Evans / Terry who wrote that check December 21st 1979. From most of what I read Isotyping is a pretty good science. To say 2wks to 3 months kind of indicates a degree of confidence.

 

[Alleykins]

Here is the link to the raw press conference footage from November 2015, which announced the isotope results, if anyone is interested. This was before we knew about TPR/RE and Marlyse and her daughters' identities. I know this link has been posted before a few times, but I think it may be worth bringing forward.
The q&a is where the AG mentions their movement prior to coming to NH.

 

[Stephen2016]

Here is the link to the raw press conference footage from November 2015, which announced the isotope results, if anyone is interested. This was before we knew about TPR/RE and Marlyse and her daughters' identities. I know this link has been posted before a few times, but I think it may be worth bringing forward.
The q&a is where the AG mentions their movement prior to coming to NH.

Thank You very much, Only 2wks to 3 months all in the same place. More Northern yellow section, inland middle child probably born there. I'm getting all the ages about 1980 they were killed, specially if Sarah was estimated to be 2 or 3 now 79-80, Marie 9-10 from 71 1979-1980, middle child 2-4 maybe 1 yr older than Sarah. 1 year older if, Sarah Born Dec of 1977, Puts Middle child dob Dec 76 - March 1977 Conception 03/1976 . February and May he lists a spouse, Elizabeth, the NSF check certified letter signed by Elizabeth Evans January of 1980. So who signed the certified if in Feb & May he lists a spouse , but in October when arrested he does not list a spouse. 2wks to 3 months all in the same place.

 

[Stephen2016]

1975 is it know if Terry spent any time in Jail in June of 1975 and how long? If the middle child was born Dec 1976 , since estimates put her 1 yr older than Sarah, the child could have been conceived estimated March of 1976. June 1975 he was arrested for aggravated assault probably when the assault happened.

June - Rasmussen is arrested in Phoenix for aggravated assault. It is believed that his wife and children left him shortly after the arrest. From the timeline here: Link

 

[Stephen2016]

Thank You very much, Only 2wks to 3 months all in the same place. More Northern yellow section, inland middle child probably born there. I'm getting all the ages about 1980 they were killed, specially if Sarah was estimated to be 2 or 3 now 79-80, Marie 9-10 from 71 1979-1980, middle child 2-4 maybe 1 yr older than Sarah. 1 year older if, Sarah Born Dec of 1977, Puts Middle child dob Dec 76 - March 1977 Conception 03/1976 . February and May he lists a spouse, Elizabeth, the NSF check certified letter signed by Elizabeth Evans January of 1980. So who signed the certified if in Feb & May he lists a spouse , but in October when arrested he does not list a spouse. 2wks to 3 months all in the same place. View attachment 530761

Thank You very much, Only 2wks to 3 months all in the same place. More Northern yellow section, inland middle child probably born there. I'm getting all the ages about 1980 they were killed, specially if Sarah was estimated to be 2 or 3 now 79-80, Marie 9-10 from 71 1979-1980, middle child 2-4 maybe 1 yr older than Sarah. 1 year older if, Sarah Born Dec of 1977, Puts Middle child dob Dec 76 - March 1977 Conception 03/1976 . February and May he lists a spouse, Elizabeth, the NSF check certified letter signed by Elizabeth Evans January of 1980. So who signed the certified if in Feb & May he lists a spouse , but in October when arrested he does not list a spouse. 2wks to 3 months all in the same place.

shouldn't rush when I post. Actually 9 or 10 from December of 1971 is 1980-1981, middle child est. 2-4 - Sarah's est. age 2-3 also getting 79-1980, If 1 year age difference from December 1977 which is Sarah's Date of birth , Middle child Born estimated December 1976, estimated 9 months before December 1976 is around March of 1976. June 1975 Terry Arrested in AZ aggravated assault. The estimated ages seemed pretty accurate knowing two dates of births of the victims. Estimated sometime between June of 1975 and March of 1976 a encounter with the mother of the middle child based on those estimates he was with the mother of the middle child. Apparently knowing the whereabouts for at least 2 or 4 years since. I think the Isotyping is a important factor, which might help to determine some of the when and how's.

 

[iamshadow21]

shouldn't rush when I post. Actually 9 or 10 from December of 1971 is 1980-1981, middle child est. 2-4 - Sarah's est. age 2-3 also getting 79-1980, If 1 year age difference from December 1977 which is Sarah's Date of birth , Middle child Born estimated December 1976, estimated 9 months before December 1976 is around March of 1976. June 1975 Terry Arrested in AZ aggravated assault. The estimated ages seemed pretty accurate knowing two dates of births of the victims. Estimated sometime between June of 1975 and March of 1976 a encounter with the mother of the middle child based on those estimates he was with the mother of the middle child. Apparently knowing the whereabouts for at least 2 or 4 years since. I think the Isotyping is a important factor, which might help to determine some of the when and how's.

Isotope analysis doesn't really get used much any more. It's not reliable.

 

[Stephen2016]

December 1977 which is Sarah's Date of birth , Middle child Born estimated December 1976, estimated 9 months before December 1976 is around March of 1976. June 1975 Terry Arrested in AZ aggravated assault. The estimated ages seemed pretty accurate knowing two dates of births of the victims, 1971 and 1977. Estimated sometime between June of 1975 and March of 1976 a encounter with the mother of the middle child based on those estimates he was with the mother of the middle child. Apparently knowing the whereabouts for at least 2 or 4 years since. I think the Isotyping is a important factor, which might help to determine some of the when's and how's.

January 1980 certified letter signed regarding NSF check written 12/21/1979 had to be a time to establish a checking account and to find then move into 925 hayward street as well. Rasmussen last seen November of 1978 Thanksgiving in California. Why rent a house for just one person. My guess he was somewhere between November 1978 and 12/21/1979. Almost a year, but if accurate where was the middle child if Isotopes only 2wks to 3 months. If Born 1976 before by December of 1976 9 months prior to that would be about March 1976 sometime between I guess June of 1975 and say March of 1976. Right now Best guess estimate. 3-4 would put her about 1979 - 1980* maybe around February 1980. No Spouse listed October 1980, but one listed May of 1980 on arrest paperwork. 2024 minus 1976 would be about 48 years old today if still alive. So if my guess estimate would be looking for someone 48 or so yrs old if not reported, maybe as someone missing.

 

[Stephen2016]

Isotope analysis doesn't really get used much any more. It's not reliable.

I thought it was used for dating archeological type of things etc. isotopes don't lie so to speak. For example Carbon Dating etc.. Sometimes it's the best that can be done. My estimate is the middle child would be 47 or 48 now. 2024 minus 1976 would be about 48 years old today if still alive. So if my guess estimate would be looking for someone 48 or so yrs old if not reported, maybe as someone missing. Know where father was June of 1975, going on estimates of ages I'm coming up with 48 before 1980. 1976 - 1980 is 4years. I'll keep working it. 5 or 6 Generations is a long time but it certainly narrows things down and hoping for a hit.

 

[iamshadow21]

I thought it was used for dating archeological type of things etc. isotopes don't lie so to speak. For example Carbon Dating etc.. Sometimes it's the best that can be done. My estimate is the middle child would be 47 or 48 now. 2024 minus 1976 would be about 48 years old today if still alive. So if my guess estimate would be looking for someone 48 or so yrs old if not reported, maybe as someone missing. Know where father was June of 1975, going on estimates of ages I'm coming up with 48 before 1980. 1976 - 1980 is 4years. I'll keep working it. 5 or 6 Generations is a long time but it certainly narrows things down and hoping for a hit.

They're good in archaeology. But they're rubbish in our modern society where we're drinking bottled water and soda and eating food that could be sourced from literally anywhere in the world.

MOO

 

[Stephen2016]

They're good in archaeology. But they're rubbish in our modern society where we're drinking bottled water and soda and eating food that could be sourced from literally anywhere in the world.

MOO

1980 I don't think bottle water was too popular. I'm going with tap water, those isotopes came from somewhere. It is also in food I believe. Ill work that angle.

AI generated :
The bottled water craze
The bottled water craze was launched by Perrier and Evian, and PepsiCo joined the market with Aquafina in 1994. Coke followed with Dansani in 1999.

Someone told me this a long time ago: Evian spelled backwards is Naive.

 

[iamshadow21]

1980 I don't think bottle water was too popular. I'm going with tap water, those isotopes came from somewhere. It is also in food I believe. Ill work that angle.

AI generated :
The bottled water craze
The bottled water craze was launched by Perrier and Evian, and PepsiCo joined the market with Aquafina in 1994. Coke followed with Dansani in 1999.

Someone told me this a long time ago: Evian spelled backwards is Naive.

Well, Evelyn Colon's isotopes put her half a world away from where she lived her whole life. She died in 1976. And that's just one case. There are very good reasons why they've moved away from isotopes and towards things like DNA. It's just not reliable.

Murder of Evelyn Colon - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

MOO

 

[Stephen2016]

Well, Evelyn Colon's isotopes put her half a world away from where she lived her whole life. She died in 1976. And that's just one case. There are very good reasons why they've moved away from isotopes and towards things like DNA. It's just not reliable.

Murder of Evelyn Colon - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

MOO

2wks to 3 months. A statement like that exudes confidence. The isotopes from the Hair, Bone, and Teeth. All in the same place and Allenstown NH is a known destination, and not far from 925 Hayward. Not to mention the other factors. What I'm not sure of until it is ruled out that there might be another person name Elizabeth. Why would anyone list a spouse as being there in February and May of 1980 then not list a spouse in October 1980. Seems to point in a particular direction. I know DNA can be very accurate if they have something to compare it with.

I asked AI if istopes are still used:
Yes, isotopes are still used in criminal cases, but not always as court evidence:

• Isotope detection
  Isotope detection is a valuable tool in forensic science, but it doesn't provide absolute certainty when identifying people. It's not always used as court evidence, but it can be very useful in solving crimes.
• Isotope analysis in water
  Isotopes in water samples can be used to determine where a suspect or victim may have come from. If there are multiple samples, the isotopes can show the path a person took.
• Isotope analysis in human remains
  Isotope analysis can help identify the origin of unidentified human remains. For example, in 2001, isotope analysis was used to identify the remains of a young boy found in the Thames River in England.

 

[iamshadow21]

2wks to 3 months. A statement like that exudes confidence. The isotopes from the Hair, Bone, and Teeth. All in the same place and Allenstown NH is a known destination, and not far from 925 Hayward. Not to mention the other factors. What I'm not sure of until it is ruled out that there might be another person name Elizabeth. Why would anyone list a spouse as being there in February and May of 1980 then not list a spouse in October 1980. Seems to point in a particular direction. I know DNA can be very accurate if they have something to compare it with.

I asked AI if istopes are still used:
Yes, isotopes are still used in criminal cases, but not always as court evidence:

• Isotope detection
  Isotope detection is a valuable tool in forensic science, but it doesn't provide absolute certainty when identifying people. It's not always used as court evidence, but it can be very useful in solving crimes.
• Isotope analysis in water
  Isotopes in water samples can be used to determine where a suspect or victim may have come from. If there are multiple samples, the isotopes can show the path a person took.
• Isotope analysis in human remains
  Isotope analysis can help identify the origin of unidentified human remains. For example, in 2001, isotope analysis was used to identify the remains of a young boy found in the Thames River in England.

I don't believe AI is an acceptable source here on Websleuths.

MOO