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taramarie said:
Additionally, she’s from Ohio and I know testing showed they were likely from the Midwest. I wonder if she was recently entered because of the recent publicity. Maybe all the recent coverage of Terry Rasmussen jogged someone’s memory.
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Testing for the adult female and two related children put them on the east coast, from the mid-Atlantic to the northeast.
The unrelated, middle child was from the upper mid west.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ee-children/4hRoPksjAqGy8MIw2bbGPK/story.html
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The unique properties of water detected in the hair, bones, and teeth of the victims suggest that three of them — the woman and two girls believed to be her daughters — lived together in New Hampshire or a neighboring state, close to the coastline, authorities announced Tuesday. The woman was likely in her mid-20s, and the girls were about 9 to 10 years old and 2 to 3.

The third girl, believed to be 3 or 4 when she was slain, was born and spent her childhood somewhere else, perhaps further inland in northern New Hampshire or as far west as Minnesota.
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I sometimes wonder if the three related females could have ran away from a commune or cult which at the time would not have been unheard of.

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For which case? I was able to access all 4 just now in NamUs.
 
I'm almost wondering if TR commuted back and forth from different areas. The reason I wonder is his daughter's isotopes don't match Texas, the area he is known to have been in from at least 1974-1978. With her age being approximated at 2-4 years old that puts her year of birth around 1975-1982 if the time of death occurred in the years 1978-1984.
Whereabouts of TR during those years:
1973-Phoenix, AZ
1974- Ingleside, TX/Payson, AZ
1975-1977-presumably TX
1978- Houston, TX
1978/1979-1981- Manchester, NH
1982-1983- Unknown
1984- Los Alamitos, CA

http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...late=mobileart

So it is completely not impossible their time of death happened after 1981 since his whereabouts are unknown 1981-1984 but circumstantially it is believed they were killed pre-Denise. With that being said, why doesn't his daughters isotopes match to Texas where he was known to be?

the isotopes match to areas in:
Washington
Oregon
California
Nevada
Arizona
New Mexico
Utah
Colorado
Wyoming

Highlighted areas
Nebraska
North Dakota
South Dakota
Maine
New Hampshire
New York

TR has connections to:
Colorado- born there
Arizona- family lives there
California- lived and worked there
Texas- lived and worked there

Of note is some of the isotope places are on route from Texas to Arizona. IMO his family hadn't heard from him after Dec 1974, because he might have started a new family after that (his daughter could have been born in 1975). I've heard of people working away from home and commuting back and forth between states. He couldn't legally marry the mother since his first marriage's divorce wasn't finalized until 1978 when he was believed to have resurfaced as Bob Evans in NH.

I'm getting a bit side tracked from why I started this post...My point is he may have traveled back and forth to different areas. Could his work have been seasonal or had on and off progressions? I found a case that interested me just how it's in a close proximity to where he used to live. On March, 12 1978, 16 year old Pauline "Robbin'' Burgette was murdered in her home on 26th st. TR had once lived on 36th street 6 mins away. Now her death doesn't match his later MO, but I found it interesting. IMO the Allenstown four weren't his first victims.
Reasons it's interesting:
1. TR had once lived 10 streets away and was from the area.
2. Prior to her murder she was babysitting and had been having problems with someone making advances to her. TR had a daughter during this time.
3. Could she and her mother resided in AZ? It matches her isotopes.
4. It happened in March and he is last known to be heard of as Terry in June. Could a crime like this be the reason for his name change?

Would CODIS have ruled him out? Authorities do believe there were two people present during her murder so it isn't entirely impossible.. I wonder if it is known who she was babysitting and do a wellness check on them.
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I posted this in Terry Rasmussen's thread too. It concerns TR's and his daughter's isotopes not matching up to his whereabouts. Thought the list of states may be helpful.
 
I went ahead and made the isotope state list for the other three related victims too. Their isotopes match 27 states while TR's daughter matches 17 states.

Terry Rasmussen's daughter's isotope states (2-4 year old):
  • Washington
  • Oregon
  • Idaho
  • California
  • Nevada
  • Arizona
  • New Mexico
  • Utah
  • Colorado
  • Wyoming
Highlighted areas
  • Nebraska
  • Minnesota
  • North Dakota
  • South Dakota
  • Maine
  • New Hampshire
  • New York


Adult victim (23-33 year old) and two children (5-11 year old, and 1-3 year old) isotope states:
  • Washington
  • Oregon
  • California
  • Arizona
  • New Mexico
  • Nevada
  • Colorado
  • Kansas
  • Nebraska
  • South Dakota
  • North Dakota
  • Minnesota
  • Iowa
  • Wisconsin
  • Michigan
  • Ohio
  • West Virginia
  • Virginia
  • Maryland
  • Pennsylvania
  • New York
  • New Jersey
  • Massachusetts
  • Connecticut
  • Vermont
  • New Hampshire
  • Maine
https://abm-website-assets.s3.amazo...public/embedded_image/2017/02/isotope map.png
 
I found an odd case concerning a baby Lisa from a Jan 1976 newspaper. It's not in the isotope range but is in a neighboring state to two.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/14648256/argusleader/

Circumstances:
The mother of Lisa didn't exactly know who the father was. Wanted to put the baby for adoption. If the father is found out could he get custody of his child even if she is in foster care?

She probably isn't our doe since isotopes don't match to Kansas but I found it interesting for these reasons:
  • The baby's name is Lisa.
  • She is in the age range for TR's daughter (DOB: Feb 1975).
  • The mother wouldn't be searching for her child since she initially wanted to give her up for adoption.
  • Where the mother is from, Pittsburg, Kansas is under 5 hours away from St. Louis, Missouri where TR claims he spent time in during the 70's.
Rasmussen claims to have worked in St. Louis at a Reece Electrical during the early 1970s. Investigators need the public’s help to fill in the timeline of where Rasmussen was between the early and late 1970s. They hope this new information brings them closer to finally identifying the four victims. source:http://www.ktrs.com/new-hampshire-serial-killer-suspect-has-ties-to-st-louis/
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RE's whereabouts aren't confirmed after Dec 1974 (Ingleside, TX) and Jun 1978 (Houston, TX). Wish we could have done isotopes on him.
 
aThousandYearsWide said:
I found an odd case concerning a baby Lisa from a Jan 1976 newspaper. It's not in the isotope range but is in a neighboring state to two.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/14648256/argusleader/

Circumstances:
The mother of Lisa didn't exactly know who the father was. Wanted to put the baby for adoption. If the father is found out could he get custody of his child even if she is in foster care?

She probably isn't our doe since isotopes don't match to Kansas but I found it interesting for these reasons:
  • The baby's name is Lisa.
  • She is in the age range for TR's daughter (DOB: Feb 1975).
  • The mother wouldn't be searching for her child since she initially wanted to give her up for adoption.
  • Where the mother is from, Pittsburg, Kansas is under 5 hours away from St. Louis, Missouri where TR claims he spent time in during the 70's.

RE's whereabouts aren't confirmed after Dec 1974 (Ingleside, TX) and Jun 1978 (Houston, TX). Wish we could have done isotopes on him.
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This is an interesting case example of how TR could have actually gotten custody of his daughter-- had the courts ruled the opposite of the case in the news article (and they may have if that happened in TR's case because TR was older than 20 in 1976). Just for clarity, the man and daughter linked in the news article is not TR and his daughter. The man's mother is mentioned in the article and googling her name brings up her obituary from 2014-- the man is listed as still being alive in 2014: http://www.campanellafuneral.com/uploads/1/0/1/8/10186543/bussart_tessie-o2.pdf
 
We do not know TR’s isotope states, but we have known whereabouts. There’s a lot of unaccounted for time but I do see some trends. Here’s his known travel path in order:

CO > AZ > Navy > HI > AZ > CA > AZ > TX > NH > CA

AT victims could be from any of the highlighted isotope states, but they all overlap with TR’s known and frequented places of AZ & CA. I would add that potentially, NM might be the place of origin as isotopes overlap and is situated between AZ & TX . TR was known to be in AZ in' 73 then resurfaced in TX in ‘78.

Reviewing TR’s timeline / known whereabouts, makes it clear that when trying to identify AT victims, we should not underestimate how quickly TR is able to relocate somewhere else or how quickly he can start a new “family” or relationship. Between ‘68 - ‘72, TR was able to get married, have four children, and reside in 3 different states: HI, CA, & AZ. This is quite busy for a young family with children all under the age of 3!

I wonder if TR was ever living in separate places at the same time under different alias, in different relationships but travel back and forth or between places? Might explain why AT victims isotopes don’t match TX.
 
Apologies if this has already been posted.

Could Patricia Seelbough be the middle child's mother?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/seelbaugh_patricia.html
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Patricia-Seelbaugh-17-Grove-City-26-Oct-1973

She went missing in '73, there is not much said surrounding the circumstances of her disappearance. My thoughts here is that maybe she was a runaway, at 17yrs old she is very capable to do that. Crossed paths with Terry at some point and had a kid with him. I think she resembles the middle child.
Although, might be a stretch since middle child's isotope states does not include PA, but perhaps she left PA altogether.
 
msphilosopher said:
Apologies if this has already been posted.

Could Patricia Seelbough be the middle child's mother?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/seelbaugh_patricia.html
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Patricia-Seelbaugh-17-Grove-City-26-Oct-1973

She went missing in '73, there is not much said surrounding the circumstances of her disappearance. My thoughts here is that maybe she was a runaway, at 17yrs old she is very capable to do that. Crossed paths with Terry at some point and had a kid with him. I think she resembles the middle child.
Although, might be a stretch since middle child's isotope states does not include PA, but perhaps she left PA altogether.
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Patricia's Namus: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7040/259

It says she has DNA, so a connection would have been picked up automatically.
 
msphilosopher said:
Oh, thank you! I'm new to this... will check if DNA on file from now on.

my apologies!
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No problem. Her Namus listing didn't show up on several searches, so it was easy to overlook.

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