NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female & 3 Children, found Nov'85 & May'00

[OkieGranny]

I like that they show closeups of the teeth; I wish that would happen more often. Sometimes teeth are arranged in such a distinctive way that they might be more recognizable than a facial reconstruction.

 

[dotr]

Daily Mail article on the above, lots of pics:

Do you know this family? Police use 3D models to reconstruct faces of a woman and
three young girls found stuffed into barrels in New Hampshire woods 30 years ago

Thanks for the article, this bit near the end of your link was terribly sad, hope these girls are identified soon.

"According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children , there are an estimated 40,000 sets of unidentified human remains in this country, often described as ‘the silent scream’ or ‘the nation's silent mass disaster.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpshire-woods-30-years-ago.html#ixzz2WECMWq00
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[EmmaliLucia]

LOOK AT THOSE TEETH ON THE YOUNGEST.

Those are some really distinctly crooked teeth, those are not teeth one would easily forget.

Anyone live in New Hampshire want to spread those around on Facebook? I live on the other side of the country so sharing the story would be a little bit of a moot point.

I like that they have such up-close photos of their teeth

 

[ualaw99]

Front and center on CNN.com this evening -

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/us/new-hampshire-bodies-mystery/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[danzn16]

Front and center on CNN.com this evening -

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/us/new-hampshire-bodies-mystery/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Just came here to post this. I hope this increased publicity helps discover who these girls are!


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[danzn16]

Have they done isotope testing on these girls to see where they may have been from in the country?


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[danzn16]

Here's a little chart that explains how mtDNA is inherited, to make it a bit clearer for anyone

Basically all children inherit their mothers mitochondria.


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[EveDallas]

Question being that the investigators are saying that the victims might be Caucasian or Native American has any body ever look into areas largely populated by Native Americans to see if anybody ever reported a woman and three young girls missing.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Yes,I hope they do isotope testing on them too.When I look at them.I see the noses and facial features on the oldest child and the woman very similar.The two youngest look very similar to me(their noses eyes especially).I was thinking maybe a different father than the oldest girl?I pray they find out who they are.It is very good they are doing this for them.

 

[Foxfire]

Front and center on CNN.com this evening -

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/us/new-hampshire-bodies-mystery/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Ironically ualaw99, This CNN article link was shared on my FB Page today by FIND MICKEY SHUNICK NOW! SEARCH RESOURCES..
Guess, Communication and Awareness is the key in missing/murdered person's investigations, huh?
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'Social Media Might have made a Difference'...

The woman and the girls were killed before there was text messaging, Facebook and other forms of social media -- a fact not lost on investigators.
And, back in 1985, police did not have a clearinghouse for missing people. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children had been in existence for only one year.
Social media is a valuable tool for investigators, says the center's Williamson, who leads a five-member team.
"From the missing side it has helped in a lot of cases," she says. "You can see who perhaps who they were talking to. With teenagers, their friends know more than their families know."
Unlike in 1978 or 1985, people nowadays are extremely connected, be it through cell phones, e-mail or social media.
"If you don't get a text within two hours you might wonder what is going on," says Williamson.
Still, she cautions, there are still cases today when people "are not reported missing for various reasons."
Ebert says someone critical to identifying the four victims may not have come forward because of a sense of criminal liability or guilt for not having provided clues sooner. The victims, he says, may have been part of a disjointed family.
He hopes the DNA testing may clearly show the relationships among the four victims, providing police and the public more opportunities to identify them. "It's an awful tragedy to lose a person to a homicide. It is terrible miscarriage of justice not to know who carried out the crime against your loved one."
Williamson and her team are working on 650 cases involving unidentified children. The oldest case is from Arizona, in 1933.
Since November 2011, the team has helped identify seven children, one of whom was a victim of Gary Ridgway, the so-called Green River Killer, she says.
DNA helped solve the cases. Now Williamson hopes to give a family a sense of closure.
"A good day is giving a child their name back," she says. "And we get very excited."

 

[shebbear]

One of the questions included in the CNN article is:

Could they have lived on a commune?

There was a lot of that going on in the 1970s. This would be a prime situation for children to be born without official records and to be kept out of the mainstream.

I wonder how law enforcement goes about investigating defunct communes...

 

[believe09]

I like the idea of isotope testing to see where they were at least drinking water. I have to say I think if they were an off the grid family, there are a lot of options. I am going to go back through the threads...

 

[believe09]

It takes a lot of energy to beat 4 people to death. I wish we had more information on whether or not they were all killed at the same time-I know it is easy to assume they were.

I have spent the morning looking at extreme religious groups in the area to see if I can get a sense of whether there were cults, or trafficking or things like that in the area.

 

[believe09]

One of the questions included in the CNN article is:

Could they have lived on a commune?

There was a lot of that going on in the 1970s. This would be a prime situation for children to be born without official records and to be kept out of the mainstream.

I wonder how law enforcement goes about investigating defunct communes...

I think it has to be kind of easy-this is not a densely populated area, although there is a national park. It is not ethnically diverse, and it wasnt at that time either. I would think that non whites (if the victims appeared to be non white) would have stood out a whole lot.

The religious history includes Quakers and Shakers (no rhyming intended) which would lend itself to the lack of public school records or public records at all. IDK-I dont think they were either. I do think they were off the grid, maybe even from Canada.

 

[ClaireNC]

The CNN article gave a link to a blog about the case that is maintained by a brother and sister that grew up in the area. While I know we don't usually post links to blogs on WS, but this blog has a great history of articles written about the case. http://oakhillresearch.blogspot.com/

Here is a link to the CNN article that draw attention to the blog. http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/us/new-hampshire-bodies-mystery/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I hope it is ok to post the link to the blog, since it was mentioned in the CNN article.

 

[shebbear]

At that time, there were many commune-type living arrangements that were not religiously affiliated, and that were quite impermanent with members moving in and out.

I would think that such groups would be hard to trace.



The religious history includes Quakers and Shakers (no rhyming intended) which would lend itself to the lack of public school records or public records at all. IDK-I dont think they were either. I do think they were off the grid, maybe even from Canada.[/QUOTE]

 

[Woodland]

Can't help but wonder what would happen if someone took the composite of the adult woman and made her younger - in the 12 to 15 year range.

Jmo, but she could very well be a kidnap victim from anywhere in North America and possibly held for many years. Unfortunately we know that happens.

 

[justiceBserved]

I think it has to be kind of easy-this is not a densely populated area, although there is a national park. It is not ethnically diverse, and it wasnt at that time either. I would think that non whites (if the victims appeared to be non white) would have stood out a whole lot.

The religious history includes Quakers and Shakers (no rhyming intended) which would lend itself to the lack of public school records or public records at all. IDK-I dont think they were either. I do think they were off the grid, maybe even from Canada.

I am more of a lurker than a poster here. I investigate a lot of crimes, given both my vocation and education. I just have not been one to get involved in forums often due to the nature of drama that tends to occur within. That being said, I mean no offense to anyone. However, the information on the ethnic diversity in Merrimack county is not correct. While Allenstown is certainly rural and not densely populated, it has its fair share of diversity. As for the rest of the county, it too is quite diverse. I live in the center of Concord, and I would estimate 35-45% of our population consists of foreigners from European, Asian, African, Spanish, and other backgrounds.

 

[Snoopster]

What an interesting case. What could possibly have linked this group of four people?

Stay strong.

(I'll have to determine whether there are mssing women/children missing from Southern Quebec or Southern Ontario.)

 

[Janeumayer]

Maybe flyers should be faxed to the nearby tribes? They could alert the community.

New Hampshire:

Abenaki Nation of New Hampshire:
1001 Elm Street
Manchester, NH 03101
603 - 644-4555

Abenaki Indian Center, Inc.
381 Chestnut St.
Manchester
NH 03101
(603) 644-4555

Pennacook New Hampshire Tribe:
83 Hanover Street
Manchester, NH 03101

Rhode Island:


N Narr Indian Tribe
401-383-7919
807 Broad St, Providence, RI

Narragansett Indian Tribe
(401) 364-1103
4375 S County Trail
Charlestown, RI 02813
http://www.narragansett-tribe.org

Pokanoket Tribe:
500 Wood Street
Bristol, Rhode Island 02809
http://pokanoket.us

Maine:

Aroostook Band of Micmacs
Federally Recognized
P O Box 772, 521-D Mani St.
Presque Isle
ME 04769-
207-764-1972
Fax: 764-7667

Houlton Band of Maliseet Indians
Federally Recognized
RR #3 Box 450
Houlton
ME 04730-9514
(207) 532-4273
Fax: 532-2660

Passamaquoddy Tribe of Maine
Federally Recognized
Indian Township Reservation
Post Office Box 301
Princeton
ME 04668-
(207) 796-2301
Fax: 796-5256

Passamaquoddy - Pleasant Point Reservation
Post Office Box 343
Perry
ME 04667- 0343
(207) 853-2600
Fax: 853-6039

Penobscot Indian Nation
Federally Recognized
6 River Road, Indian Island Reservation
Old Town
ME 04468-
(207) 827-7776
Fax: 827-6042

Vermont:

Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation
Recognized by Vermont statute 4/22/2011
158 Whiting Lane
Brownington, VT 05860
(802) 754-2216

Elnu Abenaki Tribe
Recognized by Vermont statute 4/22/2011

Traditional Koasek Abenaki Nation of the Koas
Recognized by Vermont statute 5/07/2012
PO Box 42
Newbury VT, 05051

St. Francis/Sokoki band of the Abenaki Nation
Sovereign Abenaki Nation of Missisquoi
Recognized by Vermont statute 5/07/2012
April Merrill, Chief
P.O. Box 276
Swanton,
VT 05488
802-868-2559

Massachusetts:

Aquidneck Indian Council
Massachusett Language Revival Project
12 Curry Avenue
Newport,
RI 02840-1412
(401) 849-6555

Chaubunagungamaug Nipmuck Indian Council
265 West Main Street
Dudley, MA 01571
phone: 508-949-1651
fax: 508-949-6392

Chappiquiddic Band of Massachusetts
P.O. Box 3931
Pocasset, Ma.02559

Cowasuck Band of the Pennacook - Abenaki People
COWASS North America, Incoporated
P.O. Box 54
Forestdale, MA 02644-0054
508-477-1772
NEDOBAK Help Line 800-566-1301
FAX 508-477-5933

Hassanamisco Nipmuc Council
Hassanamisco Reservation
Grafton,
MA 01519
508-839-7394; 508-753-5034

Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe
Federally Recognized
Tribal Council Building
483 Great Neck Road, South
Mashpee, MA 02649

Mailing Address
P.O. Box 1048
Mashpee, MA 02649
508-477-0208
Fax: 477-1218

Massachusetts Center for Native American Awareness, Inc.
Native American Resource Center
P.O. Box 5885
Boston, MA 02114
(617) 884-4227

The North American Indian Center of Boston
Native American Community Center
105 South Huntington Avenue
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
(617) 232-0343

Nipmuc Nation
Nipmuc Nation Tribal Office
156 Worcester Providence Rd.
Sutton Square Mall, Suite 28
Sutton, MA 01590
Phone: 508-865-9800
Fax: 508-865-9988

Pokanoket Tribe of the Wampanoag Nation
Paul Weeden, Tribal Chair
Royal House of Pokanoket
400 Metacom Avenue
Bristol, RI 02809
(401)253-7600

Quinsigamond Band of the Nipmucs
630 Pleasant Street
Worcester,
MA 01602
1-800-584-6040

United American Indians of New England
P.O. Box 7501
Quincy
MA 02269
info@uaine.org
(617) 522-6626

Wampanoag Tribe of Gay Head (Aquinnah)
Federally Recognized
20 Black Brook Road
Aquinnah
MA 02535-9701
(508) 645-9265
Fax: 645-3790

New Brunswick Nations

Big Cove First Nation
RR#1, site 11, Box 1
Big Cove, NB
E0A 2L0
Phone: (506) 523-8200
Fax: (506) 523-8230
Language: MicMac, English

Tribal Council: Mawiw Council of First Nations
Buctouche First Nation
Site 1, Box 9
R. R. No. 2, Buctouche
Kent Co., New Brunswick
E0A 1G0
Phone: (506) 743-6493; 8731
FAX: (506) 743-8995
Language: MicMac, English

Burnt Church First Nation
620 Bayview DR,
Burnt Church, NB,
E2G 2A8
Phone: (506) 776-1200
Fax: (506) 776-1215
Language: MicMac; English

Eel Ground First Nation
47 Church RD,
Eel Ground, NB,
E0K 1B0
Phone: (506) 627-4600
Fax: (506) 627-4602
Language: MicMac; English

Eel River Bar First Nation
11 Main St.Unit 201,
Eel River Bar, NB
E8C 1A1
Phone: (506)684-6277
Fax: (506) 684-6282
Language: MicMac; English

Fort Folly First Nation
Fort Folly First Nations
PO Box 1007
Dorchester NB
E4K 3V5
Phone 1-506-379-3400
Fax 1-506-379-3408
Language: MicMac; English

Indian Island First Nation
Box # 1, R. R. # 2
Rexton, New Brunswick
E0A 2L0
Phone: (506) 523-4875; 523-1913
FAX: (506) 523-8110
Language: MicMac; English

Kingsclear First Nation
77 French Village Road
Kingsclear First Nation, N.B.
E3E 1K3
Phone: (506) 363-3028; 3029
FAX: (506) 363-4324
Language:Maliseet; English

Madawaska Maliseet First Nation
1771 Main Street
Madawaska Maliseet First Nation, New Brunswick
E7C 1W9
Phone: (506) 739-9765
FAX: (506) 735-0024
Language: Maliseet; French, English

Oromocto First Nation
P.O. Box 417
Oromocto, New Brunswick
E2V 2J2
PH: (506) 357-2083
FAX: (506) 357-2628
Language: Maliseet; English

Pabineau First Nation
1290 Pabineau Falls Road,
Panineau First Nation NB,
E2A 7M3
Phone: (506) 548-9211
FAX: (506) 548-9849
Language: MicMac; English

Red Bank First Nation
PO BOX 293,
Red Bank, NB
E9E 2P2
PH: (506) 836-6111
FAX: (506) 836-7593
Language: MicMac; English

Saint Mary's First Nation
35 Dedam Street
Fredericton, N.B.
E3A 2V2
Phone: (506) 458-9511
FAX: (506) 452-2763
Language: Maliseet; English

Tobique First Nation
13156 RTE. 105,
Tobique First Nation, NB,
E7H 5M7
Phone: (506) 273-5400; 5490; 5499
FAX: (506) 273-3035
Language: Maliseet; English

Woodstock First Nation
3 Wulastook Crt.
Woodstock, N.B.
E7M 4K6
Phone: (506) 328-3303
FAX: (506) 328-2024
Language: Maliseet; English