Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 #10 *Arrest*

[bstnh1]

If WN is in the state hospital in Concord and if he went there voluntarily, then he is free to leave at any time. Do we know if he is still there? Do we know if any family members have visited him?

 

[hollyblue]

Her reaction in the morning has bothered me ever since I read the description given by the neighbor that called 911. And the fact that sometime during the confusion, WN was posting on FB, which is certainly not a typical reaction.
I don't think he confessed. I do think he said something that made her seriously suspect something, and perhaps she denied it, even to herself. But her reaction that morning was unusual in light of everything that was going on - KL going around to find Celina, WN sitting at the computer... and she is so hysterical that she cannot do much of anything to help look, or call 911, or anything. She can't even speak.

Then after her lengthy interview with LE she is again completely distraught. This may be the second time she allowing herself to consider what she suspected. Or, LE has told her what they suspect. Hard to know.

It could have been something she saw - blood stains perhaps- but if that were so, I think we would have heard about it, as in the beginning we were told that there was no evidence of an abduction.

So I am leaning to thinking that something she was told made her believe that CC was not just missing, but that she was deceased. Whether she knew any more detail than that, I don't have a feeling about one way or another.

I think it had something to do with a blanket, comforter and/or the sheets. Especially if the stories of him washing them and then disposing of them are true. But I'm wondering if true, where did all this fit in the time line? Early...7 AM? After she left?

 

[hollyblue]

If WN is in the state hospital in Concord and if he went there voluntarily, then he is free to leave at any time. Do we know if he is still there? Do we know if any family members have visited him?

In one of the articles it stated as of Thursday he was still hospitalized at an undisclosed location.

 

[sreshowtime]

Regarding Celina being wrapped in a blanket when she was immersed in the river, there is a picture of her body being recovered around 47 sec into the video accompanying this article:
http://www.wmur.com/news/28729725/detail.html

It does appear to be a blanket. I wonder if anyone in the home (LN, KL, KM) identified the blanket as coming from their home?

I believe the white blanket appearing item that you are seeing is something, like a bag of sorts, LE used to encase her body, and anything found on/around the body, in order to preserve evidence, etc. IMHO I do not think they would have recovered and brought her up exactly in the visible state found.

 

[skier]

I guess I'm looking for motive..the SF had a hinkering for women. So where do you go from there? I know he could have shared that fb with his brother/cousin/mom etc...but someone it appears was looking women. Bold about it to me too?...Who is the facebook writer? I think JY/LE know that much for sure already. Dang, should have gone into forensics etc...maybe tomorrow..

c u all tomorrow! xoxo

News report this A.M. that AG will release information on Celina's death as soon as tox. reports come in. Release, not to be determined we do not already know cause of death. They know or they never would have released the body back to family. The people investigating this crime know what they are doing and will tell the rest of us when it is the right time. If they have a suspect, I would rather they have everything "on point" so the person does not walk. Also, I heard that Celina's mother and sister have moved from the area. Can't say I blame them,it is tough living in the middle of all this turmoil.
skier

 

[JeannieC]

If WN is in the state hospital in Concord and if he went there voluntarily, then he is free to leave at any time. Do we know if he is still there? Do we know if any family members have visited him?

If he checked himself in he is free to leave unless they think he is a threat to himself or someone else. In either of those cases he is not. I don't think we have heard whether anyone visits or visited him or whether he is still in the hospital.

Wish we had a local to tell us.

 

[mrye4709]

There are just too many rumors getting mixed in with what little facts we know to solve the puzzle. I hope LE has enough facts they can make an arrest real soon. Poor CC and all the others that should be out school shopping and getting excited to start again. She was such a pretty girl inside and out from what i've read. She should have had a chance at life. It's a sad world we live in............

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Bizarre, yes. But you have to remember....this guy has a mental issue. You cannot judge his actions and reactions against those of a mentally stable person. To expect him to act and react as a stable person does would be denying he has any mental problems.

I guess what we have to consider is not, "Is this behavior normal for the population at large?", but "Is this behavior normal for him?"

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I believe the white blanket appearing item that you are seeing is something, like a bag of sorts, LE used to encase her body, and anything found on/around the body, in order to preserve evidence, etc. IMHO I do not think they would have recovered and brought her up exactly in the visible state found.

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[Pensfan]

If WN is in the state hospital in Concord and if he went there voluntarily, then he is free to leave at any time. Do we know if he is still there? Do we know if any family members have visited him?

Even if he was a voluntary admit, if he is "unstable" (having delusions/hallucinations and possibly a threat to himself or others) and he wants to leave, he can be held against his will on an emergency court order petitioned by a physician. If he entered the hospital in a psychosis, he was admitted to a locked unit.

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verified psych nurse

 

[MsFacetious]

If WN is in the state hospital in Concord and if he went there voluntarily, then he is free to leave at any time. Do we know if he is still there? Do we know if any family members have visited him?

We don't know if he has had visitors.
However, I think we will definitely know when he is released.

 

[joypath]

Regarding Celina being wrapped in a blanket when she was immersed in the river, there is a picture of her body being recovered around 47 sec into the video accompanying this article:
http://www.wmur.com/news/28729725/detail.html

It does appear to be a blanket. I wonder if anyone in the home (LN, KL, KM) identified the blanket as coming from their home?

:twocents: IMVHO, Any "blanket" or other type or "wrapper", ie. quilt, afghan, shawl etc would be encased within the bodybag under that huge SAR white evidence bag that is visible in the video. Depending upon the positioning of the victim, all extremities are "bagged" (covered with either paper bags when above ground or plastic bags when under H2O to preserve any possible trace evidence), then the body et al. is very carefully positioned into a ME zippered body bag (yeah, we have various sized bags to accommodate folks!). It is my belief from observation/participation in such under water recoveries that her body was then "basketed" and the entire basket and ANY OTHER ARTICLES peripherally attached or "foreign to the environment" was again scooped & bagged, tied and carefully pulled up to the surface. That's what was visible in the video, IMHO.
Be advised that the entire recovery was performed under the jurisdiction of the medical examiner in consultation with the specialists in S & R, THEN the ME can release the scene to the LE for their fine tooth combing!

 

[Jo in Calif]

Forgive me as I have been out of town but is this new info? It's new to me.

Details on Celina’s lastnight alive described

By DONNA JORDAN
Colebrook Chronicle

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According to a source close to the family, Celina and her mom, Louisa Noyes, were sitting on the couch in the living room watching “The Secret Life of An American Teenager” together on the ABC Family Channel. When the show was over at 9 p.m., Celina decided to watch another show and was also back and forth on the family computer, which was in the living room. Louisa Noyes said goodnight to her daughter, and went upstairs to go to sleep.

much more at link

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/929105-196/details-on-celinas-lastnight-alive-described.html

What,I myself, got out of this article, was not so much was said, but wasn't said.
I would think that LE has asked people not to say certain things.
We hear where Celina was that night, with her mother, on the couch watching TV, she could have very well had her pillow and comforter with her, while watching TV.
Mom goes to bed, around 9:00, leaves Celina on the couch, to watch TV and also using the computer.
KM arrives home, around midnight, sits on the couch, nothing stated about pillow and comforter on couch, assumes Celina is in her bedroom, in the cellar, which was stated, was a finished room, with beds.
Why was nothing reported where Wendell was during this time? Was he on the computer? Was he watching TV with Celina and her mom? Did he go to bed at the same time as the Mom? What time did he state he saw Celina last? Was he in the house, that eve?
I'm thinking Celina's mom gave the time when she saw her last.
With all the detailed information, as to what went on that evening, why no mention as to what Wendell was doing?

 

[Mazz1969]

There is a new TV series just started in the UK called "Someone`s Daughter, Someone`s Son" about people going missing, murdered and the follow up and conviction! I watched this last night and something was mentioned by a forensic investigator. About "body language"!!

Has any "body Language" experts over there been reported as looking over the photos and videos published in the press?? Just wondering as Body Language speaks volumes!!!!! IMO

 

[Kiln Wood]

What,I myself, got out of this article, was not so much was said, but wasn't said.
I would think that LE has asked people not to say certain things.
We hear where Celina was that night, with her mother, on the couch watching TV, she could have very well had her pillow and comforter with her, while watching TV.
Mom goes to bed, around 9:00, leaves Celina on the couch, to watch TV and also using the computer.
KM arrives home, around midnight, sits on the couch, nothing stated about pillow and comforter on couch, assumes Celina is in her bedroom, in the cellar, which was stated, was a finished room, with beds.
Why was nothing reported where Wendell was during this time? Was he on the computer? Was he watching TV with Celina and her mom? Did he go to bed at the same time as the Mom? What time did he state he saw Celina last? Was he in the house, that eve?
I'm thinking Celina's mom gave the time when she saw her last.
With all the detailed information, as to what went on that evening, why no mention as to what Wendell was doing?

BBM

Perhaps because no one who knows has talked to MSM?

 

[Bilas]

Any news on this case? It seems to be going nowhere fast. I know they were waiting on the test results. Just so frustrating! Celina needs justice!

 

[JeannieC]

What,I myself, got out of this article, was not so much was said, but wasn't said.
I would think that LE has asked people not to say certain things.
We hear where Celina was that night, with her mother, on the couch watching TV, she could have very well had her pillow and comforter with her, while watching TV.
Mom goes to bed, around 9:00, leaves Celina on the couch, to watch TV and also using the computer.
KM arrives home, around midnight, sits on the couch, nothing stated about pillow and comforter on couch, assumes Celina is in her bedroom, in the cellar, which was stated, was a finished room, with beds.
Why was nothing reported where Wendell was during this time? Was he on the computer? Was he watching TV with Celina and her mom? Did he go to bed at the same time as the Mom? What time did he state he saw Celina last? Was he in the house, that eve?
I'm thinking Celina's mom gave the time when she saw her last.
With all the detailed information, as to what went on that evening, why no mention as to what Wendell was doing?

One thing to add and I have a question about it.
Celina went to bed....Did someone say you had to go outside to go to the basement to her bedroom?

 

[MsFacetious]

One thing to add and I have a question about it.
Celina went to bed....Did someone say you had to go outside to go to the basement to her bedroom?

I don't think they were totally separate, I think there was just an additional basement entrance.

Any news on this case? It seems to be going nowhere fast. I know they were waiting on the test results. Just so frustrating! Celina needs justice!

This was very much the feeling in Krista Dittmeyer's case at about this point. 10-12 days after they found her... people were impatient.

In fact the thread went almost completely silently for 4 days. Up until the arrests were posted about...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134588&page=19

 

[Radichio77885]

I thought someone earlier said Celina slept on the couch that night because her sister was at a sleepover with a friend.

I am curious about who might have been using or sleeping in the tent seen in the backyard in this video :http://www.wmur.com/r-video/28769889/detail.html

Seems strange (but not surprising) that we haven't heard who might have been sleeping there, that is, if anyone indeed was.

I can see her going outside, if she knew who it was. Technically she would not be "leaving her house alone" which is reportedly uncharacteristic of her, if she simply went outside to visit and/or check out what was happening. Not anything you would feel compelled to ask permission for before doing. Plenty of nice, warm blankets out there.

Okay, Okay, I admit it, I'm just making stuff up while we wait. But the tent is plainly visible and strikes me as odd.

 

[Cazzie]

:twocents: IMVHO, Any "blanket" or other type or "wrapper", ie. quilt, afghan, shawl etc would be encased within the bodybag under that huge SAR white evidence bag that is visible in the video. Depending upon the positioning of the victim, all extremities are "bagged" (covered with either paper bags when above ground or plastic bags when under H2O to preserve any possible trace evidence), then the body et al. is very carefully positioned into a ME zippered body bag (yeah, we have various sized bags to accommodate folks!). It is my belief from observation/participation in such under water recoveries that her body was then "basketed" and the entire basket and ANY OTHER ARTICLES peripherally attached or "foreign to the environment" was again scooped & bagged, tied and carefully pulled up to the surface. That's what was visible in the video, IMHO.
Be advised that the entire recovery was performed under the jurisdiction of the medical examiner in consultation with the specialists in S & R, THEN the ME can release the scene to the LE for their fine tooth combing!

TYSM!!! This post answers SO many questions about crime scene protocol and procedures. Fascinating, actually.