Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 2 *Arrest*

[sreshowtime]

shoes and walking will bother me all night...May she be found by morning

 

[Kat]

http://www.wmur.com/r/28712811/detail.html

POSTED: 11:04 pm EDT July 29, 2011
UPDATED: 12:15 am EDT July 30, 2011


Experts Discuss Logistics Of Cass Investigation
Parents Reported Girl Missing Early Tuesday

Just an overview of the command center. A brief outline of this case.

 

[katydid23]

okay. the 18 yr old is her step brother. That makes me wonder a bit about their relationship. Her mother just recently married her SF. I wonder what the family dynamics were like.

 

[katydid23]

I agree..."grieving"...:shocked2: Wonder if that was a slip???

The SF's wording is always just a bit off and awkward. I guess it is a symptom of his mental illness.

But he says things like " She NEVER leaves the house." " Tell her to get her butt home." " We are in the process of grieving."

 

[cluciano63]

okay. the 18 yr old is her step brother. That makes me wonder a bit about their relationship. Her mother just recently married her SF. I wonder what the family dynamics were like.

But is this a step thru WN? He seems to have a son according to his FB, at least, who might be about 20, whose last name is also "N." I thought this stepbrother referred to as living with them has an entirely different last name from Celina and her sister?

 

[KellysGal]

did anyone notice her favorite quote on her facebook page? I think it tells a lot.

Quotations you cant stand to live with your family but you cant stand to live without them ♥

 

[katydid23]

But is this a step thru WN? He seems to have a son according to his FB, at least, who might be about 20, whose last name is also "N." I thought this stepbrother referred to as living with them has an entirely different last name from Celina and her sister?

I don't know anymore. I have heard it both ways. I guess there are two older brothers, one is her half brother, and one is her new stepbrother. And I suppose then the 18 yr old is her half brother. He does not worry me as she has grown up with him forever. If it was a new living situation, then I would have some questions.

As suspicious as I am of the SF, I just do not see any way he could get away with much. His wife and his teenaged step son were both at home that night.

I cannot see him assaulting her or abducting her w/out causing a scene. I suppose he could lure her away somehow, but I think he would have been missed by the family and/or seen by witnesses if he tried to leave with her at night.

I am leaning more towards intruder now.Maybe even a stranger.

 

[MsFacetious]

We have heard from the very beginning that Celina's biological father is very sick. We do not know how involved he was in her life however, or anything about his family.

I apologize if someone has already answered this. Is the Canaan Chief of Police, Jeffery Noyes, related to Celina's SF?

I cannot find anything to indicate that they are related.

 

[MsFacetious]

This article has a video halfway down the page, this video contains the stepbrother's comments.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/07/29/police-go-door-to-door-looking-for-missing-nh-girl/


I'm sure you will want to watch him speak... but if you can't....


Stepbrother says his father is a changed person and wouldn't hurt anyone now.

They say the stepbrother hasn't slept since his little step sister disappeared.

Stepbrother says "I miss ya, I love ya and I want ya home... safe."


(Yeah, that's the extent of it.)

He does share the stepfather's last name. So he, is now NN.

 

[NHGirl79]

newer MSM- http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1355027

snipped-Reached yesterday at the Canaan, Vt., motel where the family is staying, Celina’s stepfather, Wendell Noyes, said only, “Right now, we’re in the process of grieving.”

Grieving????????????

I haven't counted out family involvement. But I'm cautious of over-analyzing what her parents and loved ones say during this. I think in situations like these, some people are too frazzled. They try too hard or not hard enough to find the right words to say to the public. They want to relay their feelings and emotions, while still sounding intelligent, reputable, etc., during a very stressful/emotional time, knowing they're under a microscope. So they use generalized words and phrases that are commonly used during times like these. It makes them come off as acting weird/saying weird things, but it may not mean anything about their involvement.

Plus I think grieving may be a general term someone may use to describe the kinds of emotional processes that people go through when someone they love is missing, hurt, or killed. If you think about it, many people go though some of the same emotional processes as the "grief stages" during a time like this (i.e., crisis). There's the initial shock stage - crisis mode; the disbelief or denial stage - she's fine and will be back; the anger stage - mad she might have run away or put herself in danger; bargaining stage - if she comes home safe I'll...quit smoking, go to church, spend more time with my family, etc.; sadness stage - over the "potential" loss of your loved one; and acceptance stage - can result in many ways depending on if she's found or not and is alive or not (sorry for the bluntness). Some families/friends of those who have not come home yet, come to accept that the person may never be found (or may be dead) or they may never know, though this doesn't mean giving up on finding them. The stages don't always come in order and sometimes a person doesn't go through every stage; particularly the denial, anger, sadness, and bargain stages can come in random order or be skipped entirely. My point is that these emotional processes aren't just something that comes along with death/grieving. They usually accompany any crisis of this magnitude. People affected by terminal illness (the patient and their loved ones) often go through it leading up to death, with the first stage being shocked to find out about it and the last stage being acceptance that death is a distinct possibility and coming to peace with it, and the other 3 stages in any order in the middle. It's basic human psychology at it's best...it's the stuff I love

Anyway, I don't mean to keep defending the parents, because I'm not completely sure about them yet. Like most people, with any case like this, I always keep the parent(s) in mind until they are positively cleared, but I try hard to avoid tunnel vision. It's easy to analyze things people say/do, especially when don't always hear/see it in the right context. Even easy to do it to people who are under the public microscope. But honestly a lot of what parents and loved ones say in these cases seems perfectly normal to me, knowing the different ways in which people deal with crisis. It only seems weird if I begin to over-analyze it. Sometimes our own human nature wants so badly to "find" answers that we try to "create" them instead (innocently and with good intentions), causing us to find certain things weird that we normally wouldn't. Anyone who's ever been directly in the center of, or close to, a moderate-to-high level crisis like this has experienced the different ways people react first-hand, and maybe that's why I'm more cautious about it.

My 14-year-old cousin was missing for a day and a half before being found murdered. It was a day and a half he was missing, 3 days until the perps were caught, 2 weeks until we laid him to rest, and a year before the trial was over. Myself/family/friends all went through those different "grief processes" a bunch of different times and ways throughout the entire course of it all (even during the short time he was missing which didn't seem short to us). Even though we didn't know he was dead we knew it was a possibility. We all said things we were thinking and feeling, without putting much thought into how we said it or how people would take it. We all reacted differently to the developments and glitches along the way. During the trial I toyed with "anger" at the perps and the justice system, "bargaining" for justice, and realizing I might have to "accept" that justice may not get served or to my liking. Thankfully the guy got life w/out parole.

My cousins mother (my uncle's ex-wife) did not seem to most people to be a "normal" grieving mother. She was a complete wreck during the first days and weeks and barely pulled it together at trial. She dealt with a lot of it by getting drunk and taking anti-depressants prescribed to her to help her deal with it. She sounded pretty whacky in much of her public dealings during those times. But over the years she has overcome her grief enough to return to some form of normalcy, and has become a really active member of the community. She's been involved in campaigning for tougher criminal laws and has tried to keep her son's memory alive by giving back to the community in various ways in his memory like getting a community sports complex built for the town and named after him because he loved sports. She was involved in getting the well known "party" area in the woods along the railroad tracks where he was killed cleaned up and turned in to a nice little park with sitting benches and flowers/small shrubbery, and coming up with ways to deter the party behavior in the popular hang outs along the tracks. She also attends regular parole hearings for the other perp who was only charged as an accomplice, continuing to play a key role in fighting to ensure he stays in there as long as possible.

Anyway, I'm straying way off topic now...sorry for the long rant - I always do that I just wanted to explain in depth the reasons why much of what people say/do in crisis shouldn't t be too over-analyzed, but should still be taken into consideration...it's kind of a gray area I think.

Back to Celina! I wish we had more info to go on all around, including family, so I could even begin to theorize...cause right now I just don't know what to think. I'm gonna call it a night and check back first thing tomorrow, hoping there will be some news...preferably good news! Sorry again for the long post. Night all :sleep:

 

[Ladydoc]

Thank you NHGirl79 for that wonderful post and your personal insight into grief. FWIW however, I believe most who are not as well-versed in the stages of grief would only use the term "grieving" within the context of a death. This is why I too became even more suspicious of the SF after his comment. You are also correct that, for Celina's sake, we must not narrow our focus too much...MOO of course.

 

[Donjeta]

Anyone know if mom and SF took/passed polygraphs? I'm showing my ignorance here, but would paranoid schizophrenia preclude a test of that nature? Would the test even be valid? I ask this because the SF has been diagnosed with PS, and one of the components can be delusional thinking. IOW, if a person believes their delusions, then to them they are truth and may not register on the polygraph.

Polygraphs are not too reliable in the best of circumstances, so I wouldn't put too much weight on whether they did take one or didn't. The thing about polygrahs is, they don't register lies, they register autonomic nervous system responses. It might give the wrong result if the person is on certain kinds of medication, has abnormal stress responses, does not get nervous when lying, does not know or think he's lying, is a nervous wreck even when telling the truth, is grandiotic and does not fear the polygraph because he can beat anything, interprets the questions differently from what was intended (eg. if asked whether he harmed someone he is convinced he instead saved them from something worse) etc. IMO schizophrenia or medications used to treat it might very well affect the results.

Yes I agree. Doesn't it say A LOT about a family if a friends' parent reports her missing and not her own family. All the articles say how very close she is to her sister and that CC is so shy that she won't even talk to someone she doesn't know but looks to her sister to see if she should answer a question from someone not known to her.

I hadn't read that but I would be very concerned about that tendency if she exhibited that with any familiar people as well because it might indicate they were keeping some (family) secrets she was fearful of slipping.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nsifies_report_stepfather_was_committed_.html

BY Ethan Sacks
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Originally Published:Friday, July 29th 2011, 2:46 PM
Updated: Friday, July 29th 2011, 6:04 PM

The search for a missing New Hampshire girl intensified on both sides of the U.S.-Canada border Friday as a report surfaced that her stepfather had been involuntarily committed in 2003 for schizophrenia and arrested after allegedly threatening an ex-girlfriend.

 

[The Farm]

Let's hope today we find her or at least something that tells us what might have happened.

 

[Granna6]

Polygraphs are not too reliable in the best of circumstances, so I wouldn't put too much weight on whether they did take one or didn't. The thing about polygrahs is, they don't register lies, they register autonomic nervous system responses. It might give the wrong result if the person is on certain kinds of medication, has abnormal stress responses, does not get nervous when lying, does not know or think he's lying, is a nervous wreck even when telling the truth, is grandiotic and does not fear the polygraph because he can beat anything, interprets the questions differently from what was intended (eg. if asked whether he harmed someone he is convinced he instead saved them from something worse) etc. IMO schizophrenia or medications used to treat it might very well affect the results.



I hadn't read that but I would be very concerned about that tendency if she exhibited that with any familiar people as well because it might indicate they were keeping some (family) secrets she was fearful of slipping.

I guess I'm wondering if, even though polygraphs certainly have their weaknesses, it would be a good sign to LE if parents insisted on taking them to clear themselves. I remember how Mark Klaas demanded to take one so that he could be eliminated. Maybe that's part of the psychology of use of polygraph--innocent people would be the first to invite scrutiny of themselves so that time is not wasted looking in the wrong direction.

As you suggest, if the test were to end up giving a false positive for lying, then that ushers in a whole new set of doubts and problems.

I think I need to broaden my thinking into considering that even though this family has more than its share of SOs and a SF with unsavory internet preferences, it is still possible that someone outside that circle of "usual suspects" could be involved.

 

[Feistyoldbroad]

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/r...p_searching_celinas_kin_pray_for_safe_return/

 

[Jersey*Girl]

For those who have an issue with Celina's dental care, what type of housing the family lived in, their lifestyle, etc:

This is a VERY rural area. It is mostly woods and mountains and then some farmland. There are no cities or big towns. The small towns (a few hundred people) are 15 miles apart. The big towns have a few thousand. People here are predominantly poor. If you fell down in the woods a few feet from a road and were seriously injured or died you might NEVER be found - period. Same goes for drowning in a river. You can get lost in the woods up here and die from hypothermia in the dead of summer.

Other than people in service industries and education like healthcare , skilled trades, teachers, etc the people here are farmers, loggers, laid-off paper makers, etc. Most of the paper mills that were the highest paying employers here 10 years ago have closed. Dairy farms have sold off their herds. Logging, well it's what men do when they can't find ANYTHING else. Economically the "north country" has been hit very hard. Most of the new jobs that have been created are minimum wage junk with no benefits. Even most people who have dental insurance don't have policies that covers much beyond preventative and fillings - heck, most don't have or have lost their health insurance entirely.

As to the children having different surnames - there are a lot of moms up here who had children (usually when very young) with multiple fathers. These are poor people, most do not go on to college, many don't finish high school. Just the way it is.

This is a very different life than what most Americans experience. We don't go shopping at malls (we don't have any). We pretty much don't go "shopping" - we go somewhere to buy something if we NEED it. If a stranger "hangs out" around town, like at a small restaurant, EVERYBODY notices. If it's cold, you don't turn up a thermostat, you go outside and get some more wood for the stove. Friends, both IRL and Facebook could be virtually anybody you know - from gradeschool to geriatric in age. I'm friends with almost all of my kid's friends. Everybody pretty much knows everybody else. Because there just aren't that many people. It isn't unusual to have friends 20 years your senior or 20 years your junior.

So to the uninitiated, welcome to rural america, where people are poor and don't live like those in suburbia. We don't have perfect teeth, nor do our children. Orthodonture is for "rich people". We mostly don't have nice new houses. Mostly we have old houses - if were fortunate enough to be able to afford to buy one. If not, we rent an old house from somebody. Bedrooms are where there is space for a bed. Anywhere from attic to basement. The "north country" is in some respects a third world nation to many - but it just happens to be in the USA.

Hey Buzz ~ Welcome to Websleuths sweetheart! I'm logging in today with the thought that I'll spend my spare time this morning on a spotlight case here on WS. I had to quick post that all of us here add much thought to helping find a missing person, especially a child victim of injustice. We all have varying backgrounds & lifestyles, some more professional than others with regards to college level experience, some more down to earth hard working blue collar laborors - all here working together for a single purpose...justice.

When one comes across a post that speaks volumes, it should be brought attention to. This is one of those posts. Your very indepth description and eloquent way of writing made me picture your area in my mind as if I've lived there for years. That's how a good book author hooks us, for those of us that love to read could definitely relate to what I'm trying to convey. Not all people have that talent, to make a reader actually feel like they are living what they are reading. If you've never considered writing a book, I'd like to ask you to please consider it now, even if it's just a short story to get your feet wet so to speak.

I'm 45 years old. I'm college educated but have been a stay at home mom for 10 years. I pass my free time by volunteering locally and following 2 online true crime forums. Most nights I read before going to sleep. I've literally read thousands of books in my lifetime - no exaggeration. When someone has it, they have it - and you have it. I hope that someday you may consider publishing a written story.

Now onto researching Celina. This is the first I've heard of her case so I'm going to thread 1 to read from the beginning. Nice to have you here Buzzy!

:woohoo:

 

[TxLady2]

The SF's wording is always just a bit off and awkward. I guess it is a symptom of his mental illness.

But he says things like " She NEVER leaves the house." " Tell her to get her butt home." " We are in the process of grieving."

Might not be a symptom so much as just the way he talks. I know people who have a weird way of saying things. Some people use the word "grieving" for just being sad. I lost a precious little dog a couple of years ago, she just disappeared. I GRIEVED for weeks, but did not really know if she was actually dead or someone had stolen her. You can grieve for a loss, without any proof that the one you love is actually dead.

 

[Freja]

Sadly, due to Celina's shyness, that makes her a target for an offender. They choose victims who are less sure and appear vulnerable. Whoever is involved, this person likely knew her, had met her, and assessed the risk. He must have some familiarity with her and the home as it would not be easy for a stranger to stake out the house as strangers in this area are easily noticed. An inhabitant or visitor to a house with a direct view, friend of the family, or family is most likely. If she were taken from her home, the perp knew that this was a safer choice than taking her in another manner, as they will do a risk assessment so as to not get caught. That to me suggets he may have intimate knowledge of the family, ie; the distance of Celina's bedroom to the parents bedroom, the fact her sister was not home that night. Certainly, some of this info can be gained by talking to Celina on the computer, and a handsome young man (perp posing as a handsome young man) may be able to lure her out of her home. First though, that perp had to have met or known Celina already to have assessed her and his risk.

 

[skier]

I have many questions about this case. The law enforcement presence is not the usual fare for a missing child that is only declared missing. We now understand more FBI personnel are coming and also a cell tower. What the heck is going on here? Is there suspicion of a serial killer operating in our north country, as there have been other females missing and never found. Something warranting this level of law enforcement is going on. I do not have a good sense about all this. Hope I am wrong but it is getting concerning.