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If you mean forthcoming with LE then I think that is certainly possible and probably more likely than not. I see no reason why FM would share anything with Renner. Renner is essentially exploiting the Murray family's pain for his financial gain. I realize that he will argue he is a journalist but, in my opinion, he really has shifted beyond that. I also question, if he has crossed far enough over in some cases that a case could be made for defamation/libel. We won't likely see this but Renner's research seems so spotty that I think he would have a hard time proving a factual basis for his claims and good due diligence.
But even if we say that the other numbers could be phone numbers, couldn't they just as easily be other credit card numbers?
If there is the potential that these numbers were other credit card numbers, then there is the possibility that the police were investigating potential fraud relating to these other numbers. This means it is possible that Maura was in more trouble than we may have thought.
No! At least that's my opinion. This should be one area that shouldn't be up for discussion and seen as fact. That's my opinion too. People want facts, and the fact is there's a police report and nothing in that police report or anywhere else suggests Maura had anything but that one credit card number. The note card is provided in the documents and it's not full of credit card numbers. I also think it's reasonable to assume the police can tell the difference between 11 numbers and 16 numbers. If there was another 16 digit number on the note card it would've been easy for the police to trace it to the owner and then question them to see if they know Maura.
People can be mislead by information provided as well as information omitted. In one of James latest blog posts about the Credit Card fraud is just not accurate.
1. It wasn't a pizza delivery sting. The order she received that night was from Pinochio's. So I guess it would be the Pinochio's delivery sting.
2. She said she got the receipt from the trash. (True)
3. The police looked at the receipt and the credit card number wasn't on it (True). What's omitted is the police determined the credit card number wasn't on the Pinochio's receipt from Maura's order that night. Maura then stated if it wasn't on that receipt then she found it on the domino's receipt. There's no reason to dispute this because the Federal Law wasn't passed until December 03.
4. The police asked for whatever she kept the number on (True). They noticed there were SEVERAL other numbers on there as well (False). They noticed other numbers, and Maura stated they were phone numbers or something like that.
If we can't believe police reports, court records etc then what can we believe and this is a perfect reason why SA and KM or Fred shouldn't talk because no matter what they say they'll be liars.
I don't want you or anyone else to think I'm some Maura Murray expert, because I'm not. I'll also concede James Renner knows much more about this case then me. I think he's wrong though when it comes to the credit card. There's proof that Maura lies, commits credit card fraud, but there's no proof that she used more than one card number to commit fraud.
That's not how facts work.No! At least that's my opinion. This should be one area that shouldn't be up for discussion and seen as fact. That's my opinion too.
This is how I stated it:
"At least one person also reported, to my recollection, seeing a red truck parked on Bradley Hill Rd. where a man may have been in the woods.
Personally, I am not yet convinced of the tandem driver. But if Renner is right, we have a video of Kathleen and her ex-husband standing in front of a red truck, just a few days after Maura went missing.
Here is the video:
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...om=en-us_video
ETA Here is the link to Renner's blog post discussing the red truck. If you scroll through the comments, some attribute the red truck story to a local witness R.O. I don't know how much weight to give any of these comments.
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012/03/red-truck.html"
Has somebody on here represented the red truck as a fact?
That's not how facts work.
Anyway, you say the notecard is in the docs and does not contain other credit card numbers. Again, this is false. The note card is in the docs, but all numbers on it have been whited out. We cannot see what they were.
I have always thought it odd that the report said that Maura "told" them they were phone numbers. Although I think if they suspected they were something else it would have said that in the report too. I do agree though that what they actually were cannot be considered fact unless we are able to see them, or they are identified in the police report. I am not sure why Ricochet is so adamant that they were not credit card numbers. Surely there is something else you can contend with James that is less open-ended.
BTW, Ricochet, why did you choose 11 numbers for a phone number to compare to the 16 on a credit card? Why not 7 (local), or 8 (local long distance), or 12 (international (I think)), 11 would be long distance, out of the area code.
It would be rather odd to put a credit card number used to only order food locally on a note card with long distance, out of the area code numbers. Conversely if they were 7 digit local numbers, it would be much more obvious they were phone numbers and they wouldn't have had to ask. However, if they were numbers written end to end and as stated above it could be 14,15,16,18,19 and 20 digits in addition to 7, 8 or 12. So why were 11 digit numbers your choice?
I have always thought it odd that the report said that Maura "told" them they were phone numbers. Although I think if they suspected they were something else it would have said that in the report too. I do agree though that what they actually were cannot be considered fact unless we are able to see them, or they are identified in the police report. I am not sure why Ricochet is so adamant that they were not credit card numbers. Surely there is something else you can contend with James that is less open-ended.
BTW, Ricochet, why did you choose 11 numbers for a phone number to compare to the 16 on a credit card? Why not 7 (local), or 8 (local long distance), or 12 (international (I think)), 11 would be long distance, out of the area code.
It would be rather odd to put a credit card number used to only order food locally on a note card with long distance, out of the area code numbers. Conversely if they were 7 digit local numbers, it would be much more obvious they were phone numbers and they wouldn't have had to ask. However, if they were numbers written end to end and as stated above it could be 14,15,16,18,19 and 20 digits in addition to 7, 8 or 12. So why were 11 digit numbers your choice?
Yes but scoops, as far as I understand your theory, you seem to think that Maura was planning on killing herself Tuesday night (until plans changed after the crash). My point is that an adult can drop out of their life completely for two days without that being alarming enough to go looking for them.
Also, people who commit suicide do not plan it out like this. People who are on a mission to kill themselves do not give a darn about such small things; their minds are on something else.
The reason that I have always found your reasoning faulty is that there would not have been any repercussions to Maura if she were just going to kill herself! Why bother emailing anyone? She would have been dead by the time anyone even started to worry.
To me the emails point much more to Maura either intending on returning, or on her wanting at least week's head start.
Okay, let's think about this for a minute. Maura was "missing" all of Monday. It was obviously not a big deal to her friends and family that they had not seen or heard from her for a day. This is my whole point: adults living away from home are not missed if they do not call or no one sees them for two or three days. It takes a while before that becomes worrisome.
I certainly agree that a packed up dorm room points to someone with no intentions of returning, but your leap from that to suicide has always been a big one to me. I definitely think suicide is a possibility here, but suicidal people are not concerned with missing class for two days, or people worrying about them or anything like that. They just take off and do their thing.
The comment--
Ann Marie February 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM
It was my credit card that she used. She took the numbers off of a receipt that was taped to a pizza box in our dorm trash room. After I reported the incident the bank credited me back the money immediately and I never though about it again until she went missing. I only knew who they caught because I happened to be outside her room when the police went in. Mr Renner is correct, it was several weeks before I noticed because she ordered food from all the same places I ate at until she finally ordered from a place that I had never been to before. Someone who lived on the same floor as her told me they thought she was bulimic. What a horrible, sad story. It's too bad her family and the people who love her haven't been able to get any closure after all these years.
Note the bolded area. Isn't she contradicting herself? They caught Maura before she went missing(obviously), so Ann Marie didn't notify her bank and forget about it. She notified her bank, the person was caught, then that person went missing. Am I reading that wrong? If not, it does not appear to be a truthful statement.
Again, the thought process of suicide victims is always guesswork. That said, I've never particularly leaned in the direction of Maura committing suicide. I don't know why. It just doesn't sit right with me.
About school on Monday. Hadn't classes been canceled because of snow? I think I remember reading that somewhere. So it's possible she wasn't really "missing" (my suspicion, considering her schedule the weekend before, is that she was maybe getting caught up on sleep) on Monday, from clinicals or anything else, because there weren't any.
Somebody able to confirm this or at least corroborate my memory?
The comment--
Ann Marie February 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM
It was my credit card that she used. She took the numbers off of a receipt that was taped to a pizza box in our dorm trash room. After I reported the incident the bank credited me back the money immediately and I never though about it again until she went missing. I only knew who they caught because I happened to be outside her room when the police went in. Mr Renner is correct, it was several weeks before I noticed because she ordered food from all the same places I ate at until she finally ordered from a place that I had never been to before. Someone who lived on the same floor as her told me they thought she was bulimic. What a horrible, sad story. It's too bad her family and the people who love her haven't been able to get any closure after all these years.
Note the bolded area. Isn't she contradicting herself? They caught Maura before she went missing(obviously), so Ann Marie didn't notify her bank and forget about it. She notified her bank, the person was caught, then that person went missing. Am I reading that wrong? If not, it does not appear to be a truthful statement.
I think it is strange that she says she "happened to be outside her room." That makes it sound like a coincidence, but Patrolman David L. Pinkham's supplemental narrative states:
“I then walked down the hallway of Kennedy Dorm to room (number redacted) and knocked on the door. I was greeted by the resident of the room (name redacted). I asked (name redacted) if she knew her neighbor (name redacted) down the hall she stated that she did not.”
In the report, the police knock on her dorm room door, she's not coincidentally in the hall. These statements do seem to disagree somewhat.
