sthrngrl76
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THere was mention of 3 guys that worked at a ski resort nearby. Were they ever questioned?
I don't think it has been helpful at all to downplay the stuff that was going on in Maura's life that led her to leave UMASS. Painting her as the all american girl who just needed a break from a busy schedule, has been so far removed from reality to what was going on that of course its going to lead to all kinds of wild speculation, accusations, conspiracies. because the premise has been built on complete and utter bull crap. Maura had issues. Pretty big ones at the time she vanished. These weren't new issues or things that happened over a span of a couple days either and folks that know maura know all of this.
I agree with all of this 100%I agree with that, Clint, honestly I do, but you also have to understand the family dynamics at play. There's ALWAYS that tendency to eulogize people in positive terms -
not for the sake of the dead/missing, but for those who have survived. And Fred probably lives with a lot of guilt over how hard he drove Maura and some of the things he no doubt said to hurt her when he was angry.
But whatever drove her to want to leave UMass (and we knew pretty early on what those things were thanks to John Healy), they didn't cause her to crash her car on Route 112 and they had nothing to do with whatever happened next. She didn't commit suicide in the wilderness (though given her mental state, she may have romanticized the notion), she isn't alive in Canada with her illegitimate child, the Haverhill police didn't kill her and then fire John Smith because he was the Man Who Knew Too Much and Billy Rausch didn't track her to some unheated outing cabin four days after the fact. These theories are, in large part, fantasies projected by personalities and it tells us more about them that it does about Maura.
Respectfully (and I mean that, because you've done a lot of great legwork on this case and we sincerely owe you for it), at this point, neither you nor her family know much more than the rest of us do. By now, there are only two scenarios left that make any sense: either she slipped down an embankment and into the river (which I rate fairly low, since something SHOULD have turned up by now if that were the case - some of DB Cooper's stolen cash was found in a river, and that was made out of paper), or somebody in a vehicle wound up harming her.
Personally, I lean toward scenario two. A lone woman running down a lonely road in a state with a VERY low clearance rate for murders and in an area where a lot of sketchy guys were known to either reside or pass through is victimology 101. So I'm glad that scenario is finally getting some attention again after all the idiotic nonsense that's clouded this case for years. What needs to happen is that suspects need to be developed, witnesses re-interviewed, and people like James Renner and John Smith left out in the cold while the grown-ups in the room (and again, I include you among them Clint, but you've got a bit of tunnel vision which may require Lasik) do the REAL work of actually advocating for Maura Murray and solving this damn case for good.
I agree with that, Clint, honestly I do, but you also have to understand the family dynamics at play. There's ALWAYS that tendency to eulogize people in positive terms -
not for the sake of the dead/missing, but for those who have survived. And Fred probably lives with a lot of guilt over how hard he drove Maura and some of the things he no doubt said to hurt her when he was angry.
But whatever drove her to want to leave UMass (and we knew pretty early on what those things were thanks to John Healy), they didn't cause her to crash her car on Route 112 and they had nothing to do with whatever happened next. She didn't commit suicide in the wilderness (though given her mental state, she may have romanticized the notion), she isn't alive in Canada with her illegitimate child, the Haverhill police didn't kill her and then fire John Smith because he was the Man Who Knew Too Much and Billy Rausch didn't track her to some unheated outing cabin four days after the fact. These theories are, in large part, fantasies projected by personalities and it tells us more about them that it does about Maura.
Respectfully (and I mean that, because you've done a lot of great legwork on this case and we sincerely owe you for it), at this point, neither you nor her family know much more than the rest of us do. By now, there are only two scenarios left that make any sense: either she slipped down an embankment and into the river (which I rate fairly low, since something SHOULD have turned up by now if that were the case - some of DB Cooper's stolen cash was found in a river, and that was made out of paper), or somebody in a vehicle wound up harming her.
Personally, I lean toward scenario two. A lone woman running down a lonely road in a state with a VERY low clearance rate for murders and in an area where a lot of sketchy guys were known to either reside or pass through is victimology 101. So I'm glad that scenario is finally getting some attention again after all the idiotic nonsense that's clouded this case for years. What needs to happen is that suspects need to be developed, witnesses re-interviewed, and people like James Renner and John Smith left out in the cold while the grown-ups in the room (and again, I include you among them Clint, but you've got a bit of tunnel vision which may require Lasik) do the REAL work of actually advocating for Maura Murray and solving this damn case for good.
Thank You very much. That is the most complete answer I have ever gotten on this case. And I agree, the events that led to Maura ending up in New Hampshire are separate from the events that took place after the accident. I think her intoxication level is important to know (not to make judgements about or bring out publicly to victim-shame), but to determine what Maura's next move was after leaving the scene. I have never met Maura, don't know a whole lot about her, but I bet she is very strong-willed.
This is awful of me to say, but I dont even have the least bit of curiosity about what happened to her. She was a poster child for Bad Choices. Her instinct was to run from problems rather than face them. I think in the end she made one last Bad Choice and thats that.
Thank You very much. That is the most complete answer I have ever gotten on this case. And I agree, the events that led to Maura ending up in New Hampshire are separate from the events that took place after the accident. I think her intoxication level is important to know (not to make judgements about or bring out publicly to victim-shame), but to determine what Maura's next move was after leaving the scene. I have never met Maura, don't know a whole lot about her, but I bet she is very strong-willed.
Every missing person deserves to be found no matter what. I will take up for Maura on this.This is awful of me to say, but I dont even have the least bit of curiosity about what happened to her. She was a poster child for Bad Choices. Her instinct was to run from problems rather than face them. I think in the end she made one last Bad Choice and thats that.
Every missing person deserves to be found no matter what. I will take up for Maura on this.
I think, although should not be continued to be talked about, her choices and actions have been misunderstood.
You must not know any college kids/ young adults. I know several and they chronically make poor choices and have legal and social problems, and these are good kids from good families. I also think they will grow up to be successful but the college environment is hard for some kids. It's too easy to "party" and forget your responsibilities. Sometimes just turns into a downward spiral....but can be controlled.
Of course I know some kids thrive in that environment but it's not unusual to see many struggle.
I know that most adults age 21 have matured their executive functioning skills, but not all. That is still a young age to be making adult decisions, many continue to be very impulsive. I don't see it as her running from her problems, I see it as her trying to manage them on her own. I mean yes buying alcohol and taking a road trip after being in trouble for wrecking your dad's car sounds crazy. I can't say I wouldn't do something that dumb at that age. Of course I may be way off, I just haven't seen many people defending her. We are so quick to judge aren't we? Because of her situation we have been forced to examine her worst choices, Im sure there are just as many good choices as there are bad.
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While I understand your view point I respectfully disagree. Finding a missing person that has been gone this long means more than likely she is dead. Why would the dead care if they are found or not? Finding a missing person is more for the family. Her parents didnt make the choices and they deserve to find their child.
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Every missing person deserves to be found no matter what. I will take up for Maura on this.
I think, although should not be continued to be talked about, her choices and actions have been misunderstood.
You must not know any college kids/ young adults. I know several and they chronically make poor choices and have legal and social problems, and these are good kids from good families. I also think they will grow up to be successful but the college environment is hard for some kids. It's too easy to "party" and forget your responsibilities. Sometimes just turns into a downward spiral....but can be controlled.
Of course I know some kids thrive in that environment but it's not unusual to see many struggle.
I know that most adults age 21 have matured their executive functioning skills, but not all. That is still a young age to be making adult decisions, many continue to be very impulsive. I don't see it as her running from her problems, I see it as her trying to manage them on her own. I mean yes buying alcohol and taking a road trip after being in trouble for wrecking your dad's car sounds crazy. I can't say I wouldn't do something that dumb at that age. Of course I may be way off, I just haven't seen many people defending her. We are so quick to judge aren't we?
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I can definitely grasp your POV and at times felt that feeling sorry for someone who made one bad choice after another, leaves one feeling less sympathy or dare I say sad about the outcome; yet that is far from what I think most people feel or think. What I try and remember is this was a very young person who was at the beginning of her adult years, dealing with whatever circumstances she had at the time. It may have been the last straw that set this all into motion, so to speak. I'm sure many would disagree and say she had been making rash and poor decisions for several years and this time, it finally caught up to her. How many times can one make bad choices with little to no consequence? As every action has a reaction, good and bad. My feeling is extreme sadness for her family and friends, the pain they are left with, and of course for Maura. We are all battling something in life, some more than others and no one leaves earth unscathed. I hope that closure comes upon this case, and wish there was something that could have been done to prevent us even speaking about Maura. Apology for the rambling thoughts, and certainly hope I was not offensive in my comment.This is awful of me to say, but I don’t even have the least bit of curiosity about what happened to her. She was a poster child for Bad Choices. Her instinct was to run from problems rather than face them. I think in the end she made one last Bad Choice and that’s that.
I know nothing about the Maura Murray case and just started the Oxygen series on it. Looking forward to reading here after I watch the series!
OK, I've finished watching it. I have some questions and would be grateful if someone could answer them for me before I give my theory. It's possible I missed some of this in the docuseries, and if I did, I'm sorry!
1. What was left behind in her car? Is there an inventory anywhere?
2. Has Fred ever said why it took him 5.5 years to talk to police?
3. Have the empty bottles in her car (i.e. the "vodka wine coolers") been DNA tested to see if anyone else was in the car?
4. Where, in relation to where the dog lost the scent, did Atwood stop and ask if she needed help? Where is his house in relation to where the dog lost the scent? Was he actually driving his bus at this time? Was his wife home? (Does he have a wife?)
5. Has nobody from the dorm party talked?? Kate??
6. Has "Witness A's" timeline been debunked at all?
I am always amazed how people look for complicated conspiracies in cases like this when the answer is probably pretty simple: she was a woman who had a car accident ,she was alone, some bad person offered her a lift, she took it and she was murdered. That is my opinion anyway.
In this case the rag in the tailpipe has some benign explanation, like she either had car trouble and thought the rag might help or planned to blame the accident on car trouble.I am always amazed how people look for complicated conspiracies in cases like this when the answer is probably pretty simple: she was a woman who had a car accident ,she was alone, some bad person offered her a lift, she took it and she was murdered. That is my opinion anyway.