Anxiety, depression, PTSD, autism, learning disabilities. These can all cause varying degrees of lack of perceived "correct" emotional responses. I say "correct" because there are a wide range of emotional responses and situations.
Excellent post! I was just thinking about how her parents must have treated her growing up. I’m not blaming them because I don’t think they have the tools in their toolbox to ever have helped her. She got pregnant and had Dulce at 13-14. She’s on her third pregnancy now. Why didn’t they put her on birth control? Who knows- Maybe they tried. I feel for Noema. She seems to have accepted her lot in life. No one advocated or advocates for her. It’s just one more tragedy that she doesn’t have a professional missing person’s advocate there by her side.YES. And if Noema has any of these conditions, it is unlikely that her family would recognize them as neurological or psychological issues that are neither her fault nor her optimal state, much less know how to access help for her in coping with them. They may not even be aware that such mental health and medical resources exist.
To me it looks like this girl has been the black sheep in her family for a very long time, and the difficulties she has faced with her choices and in her family relationships may have less to do with adolescent behaviors she herself acknowledges weren't optimal, than with her affect/emotional expression and the reasons behind it. The behaviors (drugs, sexual activity, anything else) could have been her adolescent reaction to a childhood spent feeling profoundly disapproved or misunderstood or unsupported by those around her, and no one realizing she needed help. I am not trying to blame her parents; the language barrier can't have made it easy for them to communicate with teachers or school health personnel, and depending on their educational level they simply may not know about the effects of childhood trauma, mental health issues, or neuro-atypical conditions such as those of the autism spectrum.
How sad that Noema's experiences in the months since Dulce disappeared seem to have only reinforced the emotional gulf between her and those who should be her support system. I wonder if she has any friends at all who don't backstab her (like Jackie Rodriguez), or family who don't constantly remind her of the faults they perceive in her. She seems so submissive, so flat, so willing to endure being the focus of public ire, or else to fade quietly into the background. So resigned to this being her deserved and expected lot in life.
JMO, MOO
BBM. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way but I'm disappointed Dr. Phil did not take into account Noema's history and the fact that she is NOT the one who was raising Dulce. She had Dulce when she was 13 or 14 then had another child at 15 or 16. She is only 19 years old now and pregnant again. She never had a childhood herself but also never had to act as a mother acts towards her children. Why would we expect a mature and motherly emotional response from her? Dulce was more like another sister in Noema's life that she only saw on weekends than she was her daughter. She probably loves Dulce but it's not the same as it would be if she had had Dulce as an adult and was raising her on her own. Noema has her own problems going on and is emotionally immature because of what has happened in her life. Her saying she doesn't cry in front of people makes complete sense to me considering her background. Pregnant 3 times as a teen, a history of poverty and drug abuse tells me that she may have been abused by those men who made her pregnant and maybe by others too. She probably tried drugs to numb the pain. She is probably fighting a deep depression. The cycle of violence and abuse repeats itself and abuse victims build up a barrier for their emotions as a response. Is it any wonder she seems numb and doesn't react immediately when she is hurting? She buries her feelings with no reaction and then cries in private later. It's sometimes the only power an abuse victim feels they have-- to not let their abuser see them cry. She comes off as very timid and not as a person who is emotionally flat because they are manipulating the situation like a sociopath does. It's a shame if Dr Phil did not take the opportunity to highlight the difference between someone in Noema's situation and a sociopathic criminal that is emotionally flat because they are covering their true emotions. Has he never heard of learned helplessness as the result of abuse? Is anyone else seeing this the way I am or am I way out in left field here? MOO.
I was just wondering myself where her money comes from. Instead of going back to school or getting a part time job she's living in a place separate from Dulce and had another child is now pregnant again. I wonder if birth control is against her family's religion? I wonder what she does all day? Has it been reported if her son lives with her? If so that could be where her time goes.I’m not picking up on any anxiety when Dr Phil started asking some of the questions in a bit more pointed manner. I would think it would trigger fight/flight or melt down if she was on the spectrum?
Wondering how she is supporting herself living apart from her parents? Was that her car she was driving?
So who is the 'old friend' and have they been spoken to? And for what reason would they want her child?
Sorry, I think I disagree with many of you. Have felt all along the mother knows more or has suspicions she has not divulged.
Mother of missing girl fears 'old friend' may have taken her.
Mother of missing Dulce Maria Alavez, 5, fears 'old friend' may have taken her | Daily Mail Online
No, from what has been reported, son lives with his grandparents.I was just wondering myself where her money comes from. Instead of going back to school or getting a part time job she's living in a place separate from Dulce and had another child is now pregnant again. I wonder if birth control is against her family's religion? I wonder what she does all day? Has it been reported if her son lives with her? If so that could be where her time goes.
I dunno, I'm strongly feeling at this point that Noema may have an intellectual challenge. Or something. IOW I don't think it's because she doesn't care about or love Dulce. And if she (or her family) doesn't have a clue as to who could have snatched Dulce by now then once again it may be pointing to a stranger abduction. I don't know if LE actually cleared her per Dr. Phil but they haven't named her a POI either. My DVR won't record it until later tonight but it sounds like there's nothing new.
Such a strange, sad case.
She sure gives out the weird flat vibe. The only thing I can think of she might be medicated with anti-anxiety/depression meds.In a teaser released for Friday's show, Dr. Phil McGraw interviews Dulce's mother, Noema, and a family friend.
McGraw, in the trailer, tells the girl's mother, "I've talked to a lot of mothers of abducted children, and you're the most calm I've ever talked to."
The teaser also promises a "shocking revelation" from the family friend.
Dulce Maria Alavez case to be featured on Dr. Phil
I think she just operates at a different frequency level. I’m not sure how much of all this she understands at a deep level.She sure gives out the weird flat vibe. The only thing I can think of she might be medicated with anti-anxiety/depression meds.
Why would she think "old friend" might have taken Dulce? She supposedly rejected this old friend, but why would he want the child? None of it makes any sense to me.
Why would she think "old friend" might have taken Dulce? She supposedly rejected this old friend, but why would he want the child? None of it makes any sense to me.
I was just wondering myself where her money comes from. Instead of going back to school or getting a part time job she's living in a place separate from Dulce and had another child is now pregnant again. I wonder if birth control is against her family's religion? I wonder what she does all day? Has it been reported if her son lives with her? If so that could be where her time goes.
I dunno, I'm strongly feeling at this point that Noema may have an intellectual challenge. Or something. IOW I don't think it's because she doesn't care about or love Dulce. And if she (or her family) doesn't have a clue as to who could have snatched Dulce by now then once again it may be pointing to a stranger abduction. I don't know if LE actually cleared her per Dr. Phil but they haven't named her a POI either. My DVR won't record it until later tonight but it sounds like there's nothing new.
Such a strange, sad case.