GUILTY NJ - Gregory Leary & others for sexual assault of 7yo girl, Trenton, 2010

[AutomaticAuttie]

The problem is that young girls don't choose to become prostitutes - they don't just wake up one day and say, gee, I wanna sc*ew for money yippee! Nor do they get kidnapped and forced into it by gunpoint, no matter what reassuring myths hollywood wants to pawn off on us might say. No, they are lured in by men who take advantage of their insecurities, usually at the age of twelve or thirteen, and gradually seduced into doing these things while their esteem is destroyed insidiously. They don't CHOOSE their fate - they are tricked into it and then led to think that they are trapped...really, it's the same cycle of psychological abuse and feelings of entrapment and guilt that a victim of domestic violence goes through - and the same as what another fifteen year old recently went through from bullying before she reached the point that she felt that death was her only escape (a common fate of trafficking victims along with other forms of self-destruction I might add).

On the topic of a victim of pimps then recruiting or pimping - that's usually what they are made to do once they start getting older/worn out - and to all outside appearances it looks like a willful act of evil, but again, they think they have no other choice.

Now if we find that this girl really did decide to do all of this on her own, I'll say to lock her up good, but LE really, really needs to look into whether there was coercion in this case, or they will simply be adding to the victimization here.

Once more, all JMO from my big mouth.

I hadn't thought of it that way. But, I can see that happening on some accounts.

 

[jjenny]

I was protected as a little girl - and I had parents who knew where I was every second of the day (and brothers who possibly would have been beat to within an inch of their life if they couldn't report exactly where I was at any given moment) so this life style of a 7 year old being gone for a while with no inkling of where she is, is beyond my thinking. (I have an almost 7 year old who doesn't even play out front in one of the safest places in US if I'm not out front with her.)...

Apparently 15 year old doesn't live there but comes to visit. The parents of the 7 year old did call the police when she was gone, so it's not like they didn't care where she was.

"The neighbor said the 15-year-old stays with her father most of the time, but comes to visit her mother and stepsister on weekends. The girls had walked from home to Rowan Towers Sunday afternoon and met up with two boys the elder sister knew, according to police."
http://www.nj.com/news/times/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-19/1270100751111180.xml&coll=5

 

[songline]

According to police, the "7-year-old stepsister tagged along because she worried about the older girl's safety."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEEN_SISTER_SEX?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

How ironic is that!

I know, how sad that must be for that poor child.
Where were the parents? why is a 7 year old worry about a teens safety?
What can a 7 year old child do to defend a teenager if they got into an unsafe situation? that's nuts. Where were her parents?

 

[SkewedView]

Apparently 15 year old doesn't live there but comes to visit. The parents of the 7 year old did call the police when she was gone, so it's not like they didn't care where she was.

"The neighbor said the 15-year-old stays with her father most of the time, but comes to visit her mother and stepsister on weekends. The girls had walked from home to Rowan Towers Sunday afternoon and met up with two boys the elder sister knew, according to police."
http://www.nj.com/news/times/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-19/1270100751111180.xml&coll=5

Okay, this raises the question of what happens at daddy's place - or if she really stays there much at all...

It also puts her in the second most vulnerable catagory of girls that pimps go after (child of a broken home), not to ther_beatingA_Dead

 

[jjenny]

I know, how sad that must be for that poor child.
Where were the parents? why is a 7 year old worry about a teens safety?
What can a 7 year old child do to defend a teenager if they got into an unsafe situation? that's nuts. Where were her parents?

I presume the parents were at home. They called the police when the seven year old was gone with the 15 year old. Why 7 year old believed she needed to protect the 15 year old (if that is even true) I have no idea, one would think it should have been the other way around. I would guess the 7 year old could have simply followed the older girl because that's what younger kids do regularly-they think older kids are cool and like to follow them around.

 

[Missizzy]

Yes, jjenny, I am serious. You are correct in that Jaycee and Elizabeth were physically snatched but they did have ample opportunities to seek help. They felt they could not out of fear and mind control. Children can be also be "spirited" away in plain view, though. I know this as this is how my daughter literally disappeared. She was working at a lovely nursing home with a full time job coach due to her disabilities. It was our daughter's job to sit with the dying elders and to sing to them. She has the voice of an angel and sings from memory as she has very low reading skills. She is a very immature and disabled girl and has always been quite impressionable. She loved anything flashy or pretty. She would do anything for a gift or money. She wanted men to look at her and flatter her.

Sadly, a man working at the nursing home saw her and went to work on her with a woman friend. Very quickly our girl had a double life. She was sneaking out at night, from school, and from her job and hooking with two pimps managing her on Craigslist and with local men.

So, being snatched from the street or a bed is not the only way we lose our children. Look at the crafty and wicked RSO in LA who lured the young boy into his taxi with the promise of meeting a girl. The boy should have known better than to get into the car of a stranger at 3 am to go to meet a girl he didn't know. The boy was dead two hours later.

Children (and I include 15 year olds) rarely have good judgement and can fall into carefully set traps. Getting into a taxi at 3 am is absolutely foolish and the child paid with his life. This 15 year old could very easily has been spirited into the world of hooking exactly the same way. Pimps are notoriously good at what they do. We are learning that many men are turning away from the drug trade towards pimping as the penalties are far lower.

This is a clip from my favorite website on the subject. It was forwarded to me by the Sacramento office of the FBI:

www.polarisproject.org

"One of the largest forms of domestic sex trafficking in the U.S. involves traffickers who coerce women and children to enter the commercial sex industry through the use of a variety of recruitment and control mechanisms in strip clubs, street-based prostitution, escort services, and brothels. Domestic sex traffickers, commonly referred to as pimps, particularly target vulnerable youth, such as runaway and homeless youth, and reinforce the reality that the average age of entry into prostitution is 12-13 years old in the U.S."

I would make the assumption that just about every child in that crime ridden apartment was and is vulnerable. To follow up on an earlier comment, it is true that the girls are "used up" by 16-17. They are forced to procure new victims. The tactics of force are brutal. By 18 yrs. 3 months, our daughter was diagnosed with four different STDs and had been hospitalized three times for beatings and Pelvic Inflammatory Disease. We are told by the Sheriff's office in Sacrament that she's now procuring.

Very often "free will" just does not exist.

 

[jjenny]

Why not take this just a bit further and then no one else ever had free will? I see that lawyers use this sort of defense all the time-bad childhood, bad upbringing, etc.
If no one ever has free will, then no one ever is at fault for anything.

 

[SkewedView]

Why not take this just a bit further and then no one else ever had free will?
Many criminals didn't end up this way because they had a great upbringing. If no one ever has free will, then no one ever is at fault for anything.

You have a very good point here - in the end, we need to find a good middle ground that takes into account things like coercion and such without allowing people to cop out of just punishment for their actions. I really don't know if we will ever find it, but I think that it's important for there to be advocates on BOTH sides of these issues if we are to come anywhere close to finding real justice in these cases. Hopefully healthy debate will help us get a little further down that road and not just leave us with a :banghead: feeling.

Again, JMO from my big fat mouth.

 

[songline]

Yes, jjenny, I am serious. You are correct in that Jaycee and Elizabeth were physically snatched but they did have ample opportunities to seek help. They felt they could not out of fear and mind control. Children can be also be "spirited" away in plain view, though. I know this as this is how my daughter literally disappeared. She was working at a lovely nursing home with a full time job coach due to her disabilities. It was our daughter's job to sit with the dying elders and to sing to them. She has the voice of an angel and sings from memory as she has very low reading skills. She is a very immature and disabled girl and has always been quite impressionable. She loved anything flashy or pretty. She would do anything for a gift or money. She wanted men to look at her and flatter her.

Sadly, a man working at the nursing home saw her and went to work on her with a woman friend. Very quickly our girl had a double life. She was sneaking out at night, from school, and from her job and hooking with two pimps managing her on Craigslist and with local men.

So, being snatched from the street or a bed is not the only way we lose our children. Look at the crafty and wicked RSO in LA who lured the young boy into his taxi with the promise of meeting a girl. The boy should have known better than to get into the car of a stranger at 3 am to go to meet a girl he didn't know. The boy was dead two hours later.

Children (and I include 15 year olds) rarely have good judgement and can fall into carefully set traps. Getting into a taxi at 3 am is absolutely foolish and the child paid with his life. This 15 year old could very easily has been spirited into the world of hooking exactly the same way. Pimps are notoriously good at what they do. We are learning that many men are turning away from the drug trade towards pimping as the penalties are far lower.

This is a clip from my favorite website on the subject. It was forwarded to me by the Sacramento office of the FBI:

www.polarisproject.org

"One of the largest forms of domestic sex trafficking in the U.S. involves traffickers who coerce women and children to enter the commercial sex industry through the use of a variety of recruitment and control mechanisms in strip clubs, street-based prostitution, escort services, and brothels. Domestic sex traffickers, commonly referred to as pimps, particularly target vulnerable youth, such as runaway and homeless youth, and reinforce the reality that the average age of entry into prostitution is 12-13 years old in the U.S."

I would make the assumption that just about every child in that crime ridden apartment was and is vulnerable. To follow up on an earlier comment, it is true that the girls are "used up" by 16-17. They are forced to procure new victims. The tactics of force are brutal. By 18 yrs. 3 months, our daughter was diagnosed with four different STDs and had been hospitalized three times for beatings and Pelvic Inflammatory Disease. We are told by the Sheriff's office in Sacrament that she's now procuring.

Very often "free will" just does not exist.

Missizzy I can not agree with the sentence where you say: Jaycee and Elizabeth had opportunity to seek help. :no:
that sentence ALMOST invalidates the rest of YOUR VERY IMPORTANT POST IMHO, and yes there are horrific people out there who do traffic young women into a commercial sex industry.
I am not sure you realize what happens with brain washing or the kind of fear that becomes etched into an abducted persons being, IT forces them to act as expected for safety reasons.

NEITHER JC nor Elizabeth nor anyone else who has been in an abduction situation had opportunity to seek help not even if a cop was standing right beside them.

 

[SkewedView]

Missizzy I can not agree with the sentence where you say: Jaycee and Elizabeth had opportunity to seek help. :no:
that sentence ALMOST invalidates the rest of YOUR VERY IMPORTANT POST IMHO, and yes there are horrific people out there who do traffic young women into a commercial sex industry.
I am not sure you realize what happens with brain washing or the kind of fear that becomes etched into an abducted persons being, IT forces them to act as expected for safety reasons.

NEITHER JC nor Elizabeth nor anyone else who has been in an abduction situation had opportunity to seek help not even if a cop was standing right beside them.

BBM

That's just the thing - what you described there, the brainwashing, fear, being entrapped into action/inaction by safety or other fears - that's just what happens to many of these girls that are lured into prostitution once they reach the point of no return...it's all about mind control with these scummy pimps, and that means that these girls are held tight by bonds no one can see, especially LE and prosecutors that aren't trained in the subtleties of trafficking...it's like an abduction of the soul.

Once more, JMO

 

[jjenny]

BBM

That's just the thing - what you described there, the brainwashing, fear, being entrapped into action/inaction by safety or other fears - that's just what happens to many of these girls that are lured into prostitution once they reach the point of no return...it's all about mind control with these scummy pimps, and that means that these girls are held tight by bonds no one can see, especially LE and prosecutors that aren't trained in the subtleties of trafficking...it's like an abduction of the soul.

Once more, JMO

And? I fail to see what either Elizabeth or Jaycee has to do with this case. They aren't accused of pimping 7 year old children to anyone, so really what is the point of bringing them up in connection with this case? By the way a kidnapped child can do a right thing/save a young child. I suggest watching "I know my name is Steven."

 

[jjenny]

An update.
"TRENTON, N.J. - Two adults and three juveniles have been charged with gang-raping a 7-year-old girl who was sold by her 15-year-old stepsister during a party at a crime-ridden apartment building, police said Saturday."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36160630

 

[SkewedView]

And? I fail to see what either Elizabeth or Jaycee has to do with this case. They aren't accused of pimping 7 year old children to anyone, so really what is the point of bringing them up in connection with this case? By the way a kidnapped child can do a right thing/save a young child. I suggest watching "I know my name is Steven."

It's not that they have anything to do with this case directly, anymore than a beaten wife does - it's merely a comparison of mental states and types of victimization - the problem is that it's easy to see E & J as victims, whereas a child prostitute (and a 15yo is a child) who is forced by mind control to do something like this (not that I'm saying that IS what happened, just that it is a possibility that needs to be looked into) is easy to condemn and label as 'born evil' and such, thus nobody bothers to look deeper and huge numbers of victims of trafficking every year are prosecuted for actions they have no control over. It would be like prosecuting Jaycee for child endangerment for not finding a way to report what was happening with her kids to authorities, when we all know that she was just doing the best she could with the cards she was dealt.

And yes, many abducted kids find a way to 'do the right thing' for others, and many victims of trafficking do as well...and are fighting to have the plight of those still trapped heard, but not many are listening, and many others that try just end up in the morgue and no one thinks about them after or tries to seek justice for them, since they are 'just scum' after all.

Remember, just because you are accused of something, doesn't mean that that is the whole story, or that LE has bothered to get the rest of the story, especially if they decided at the outset what that story already was (they're only human after all).

Again, JMO from my overly opinionated mouth.

 

[SkewedView]

An update.
"TRENTON, N.J. - Two adults and three juveniles have been charged with gang-raping a 7-year-old girl who was sold by her 15-year-old stepsister during a party at a crime-ridden apartment building, police said Saturday."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36160630

From the above link:

"Police earlier in the week were urging residents to come forward, but neighbors said they were scared of retaliation from gangs that prowl the streets if they spoke up."


and

"The 15-year-old sold sex to men in the room, then took money to let them touch the younger girl, and the touching turned to forcible sex as at least seven men raped the 7-year-old, police said."


Now, gang members are the number one traffickers domestically, and this sure sounds like a gang related 'party' - from the sound of things, I really don't think this girl had much say in what went down once they entered that apt. - and if area adults are afraid to make anonymous tips, how was this girl supposed to stand up to these scumbags, especially if they already 'owned' her? I'm sure we'd like to think that she should have, but really, who knew they were there? How easy would it have been for this to turn lethal if she didn't go along?

Not saying that is how things went down, but it seems a realistic scenario, one that the media at least haven't even bothered to look into, and given prosecutors already saying they may charge the girl as an adult, I doubt they are looking into it either...I mean really, there is no way they have the full story yet, and they can't take the 7 year old's take on the money exchange at face value, given that she'd have no way of understanding how that works in trafficking (prostitute HAS to take the money of a john or gets beaten etc, and sees none of that money, or maybe enough for some clothes or whatever).

JMO etc. etc.

 

[Charlie09]

An update.
"TRENTON, N.J. - Two adults and three juveniles have been charged with gang-raping a 7-year-old girl who was sold by her 15-year-old stepsister during a party at a crime-ridden apartment building, police said Saturday."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36160630

Palmer met with the parents, the 7-year-old girl and her two younger siblings. The woman is the mother of the 7-year-old girl, and the man she lives with is the father of the 15-year-old. The man and woman also have two toddlers together.

I thought another article said the 15 year old lived with her father? This author made it harder than it should be -
The mother and father of the seven year old have 2 younger siblings. Both the 15 and 7 year old have the same father.

 

[Charlie09]

I'm just curious, there seems to be a slight double standard here...if the sister was a brother would you guys be giving him a slight break? 15 year olds in the inner cities are far past their years.

 

[songline]

BBM

That's just the thing - what you described there, the brainwashing, fear, being entrapped into action/inaction by safety or other fears - that's just what happens to many of these girls that are lured into prostitution once they reach the point of no return...it's all about mind control with these scummy pimps, and that means that these girls are held tight by bonds no one can see, especially LE and prosecutors that aren't trained in the subtleties of trafficking...it's like an abduction of the soul.

Once more, JMO

Seems to me this teenager was a visitor and lived with her father.
seems to me she was no regular on this block.
Nobody had her brain washed, or did they have her captive.

this teenager was either a bad seed or a really troubled angry, heartless, immoral teen who either needs a lot of help or a detention hall.

No comparison to Jaycee or Elizabeth. This was a troubled girl.
Looking for more trouble, and put her little sister in the center of troubles too.
Not all bad kids are victims, and not all bad kids do not know what they are doing because they are mentally imbalanced.
NO NOT ALL. I am not willing to take the roll of enabler and label her a victim yet.
IF & When I find out that the15 year old has been abused and raped when she was young which produced her hooking, then I will take it into consideration until then.....
She is no Jaycee, and she is no Elizabeth; I am willing to hear more reports on this 15 year old monster.
For now NO level of poverty, no level of bad neighborhood will impress me as a reason, I lived in poverty, & bad neighborhoods too as a teen. so that is not going to sell me....
My parents taught me moral in the house, so unless she is mentally disabled She is a bad seed. MO

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

I'm just curious, there seems to be a slight double standard here...if the sister was a brother would you guys be giving him a slight break? 15 year olds in the inner cities are far past their years.

Excellent point! The day my 14 year old son would put his sisters in danger would be a cold day in hell. He himself may make stupid choices from time to time but he is ALWAYS protective and cautious about what he says and does around them.

 

[songline]

An update.
"TRENTON, N.J. - Two adults and three juveniles have been charged with gang-raping a 7-year-old girl who was sold by her 15-year-old stepsister during a party at a crime-ridden apartment building, police said Saturday."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36160630

I came here to post it (but deleted it) You beat me to it.

Thank you jjenny for posting this. I am really glad that more arrests have been made. I sure hope those 5 will talk.

 

[songline]

Excellent point! The day my 14 year old son would put his sisters in danger would be a cold day in hell. He himself may make stupid choices from time to time but he is ALWAYS protective and cautious about what he says and does around them.

Good boy lucky Mom.
that is the way it should be.