GUILTY NM - Victoria Martens, 10, brutally murdered, Albuquerque, 23 Aug 2016 *Arrests* *2 guilty*

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based on Victoria's letter, it sounds like he was denitely grooming her. I also find it odd that the grandparents didn't know their daughter had a live in boyfriend who was babysitting their grandchildren every day. I don't know how Michelle could have hid that fact from them, especially if they saw Victoria daily.
 
I'm not throwing rocks here, just curious. Didn't Michelle's parents and close family friend said they saw Victoria everyday? Who did they think was caring for Victoria in the month preceding her death? I agree Kaen, the stories are not making sense. To me it sounds like the was grooming Victoria.

Not only was he grooming her but her mother was also an active participant in grooming her. I can't shake the feeling that the mother ( I hate calling her that but will for sentence clarity) encouraged his grooming and was giving Victoria access to "more mature" things in order to get her to comply. In my mind they had decided that they going to rape and drug her and ultimately kill her. If it was out of hand and the mother didn't know she was going to be killed, why did she not step in when they were stabbing her? Instead, she watched and, then, had sex with the monster who just raped and killed her daughter. Her mother knew if it got out that she was in on the abuse that she would go to prison. Victoria was bound to resist or tell at some point when the abuse was happening. Ugghhh. I so rarely get to the point where I wish harm to others...this case has me very close.

The others in her life.......I have no words. I can't fathom that you could see a child everyday and not tell when rape/sexual assaults have been happening repeatedly. Did her behavior not change at all? I am not buying it. And, to boot, the mother had offered her daughter to at least two other men previously. The school teachers had called protective services.
 
I'm not throwing rocks here, just curious. Didn't Michelle's parents and close family friend said they saw Victoria everyday? Who did they think was caring for Victoria in the month preceding her death? I agree Kaen, the stories are not making sense. To me it sounds like the was grooming Victoria.

When I see the photos on DailyMail, Victoria looks well-cared for. Her hair always looks nice, her clothes are cute, clean, and pressed, the interior of the home in the background of the photos looks neat a pin. The only thing that stands out is a couple of photos of her wearing some make-up. When I see the photos of the grandparents (http://krqe.com/2016/09/30/grandparents-of-10-year-old-victoria-martens-speak-out-for-first-time/), they also seem so normal and baffled by what happened to their daughter. Even the ex-husband says she was a fine person.

WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED?!?!?! And how did it seemingly happen so quickly?? How does a MOTHER watch and enjoy this and nobody around her has any idea.

What was the sign that the school noticed that something wasn't right....anyone know? (I suppose that is confidential.)

jmo
 
I think what happened is meth. From what I've read it can make people capable of doing horrific things. Still, something has to be wrong with her to the very core. They say she showed no remorse.
 
When I see the photos on DailyMail, Victoria looks well-cared for. Her hair always looks nice, her clothes are cute, clean, and pressed, the interior of the home in the background of the photos looks neat a pin. The only thing that stands out is a couple of photos of her wearing some make-up. When I see the photos of the grandparents (http://krqe.com/2016/09/30/grandparents-of-10-year-old-victoria-martens-speak-out-for-first-time/), they also seem so normal and baffled by what happened to their daughter. Even the ex-husband says she was a fine person.WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED?!?!?! And how did it seemingly happen so quickly?? How does a MOTHER watch and enjoy this and nobody around her has any idea.What was the sign that the school noticed that something wasn't right....anyone know? (I suppose that is confidential.)jmo
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METH IS WHAT HAPPENED!!! Horrible, horrible drug! :furious: :stormingmad:


Scroll down to "Meth Sex"http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/features/meth-101?page=3



Addiction to meth can happen very quickly. http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/crime/article3239864.html#0



Many, many news stories show that meth trumps maternal (and paternal) instinct and can produce horrendous cases of child abuse, like this one.


I doubt Michelle had been using long enough for most people to notice subtle signs. She may have only used occasionally during sex. Even close family might have overlooked things or excused odd behavior (she's overworked, tired, not feeling well). We all give our loved ones the benefit of the doubt and don't jump to conclusions without clear evidence. And kids can be very abused and put on a normal front.


But someone at school noticed something, and I'd also like to know what they saw. It must have been of enough concern to call authorities and report it.
 
I'm not an expert on meth, but I've read it can cause all kinds of terrible oral health problems. I noticed in one of Michelle's more recent facebook photos (and trust me, it sickens me to even look at her face) that her gums and teeth looked awful. While this could have been the result of poor oral hygiene, I'm thinking meth was probably the culprit. She probably started taking it around the same time she began trolling for men to rape her children which was about six months before Victoria was murdered and several months before she met FG.

I'm struggling, however, to blame her behavior entirely on drugs. Even if she was a habitual user, she had to known what she was doing to her children was horrific, but she continued doing it for her own pleasure. She was coherent enough to go to work every day and to lie to the police for hours after Victoria was murdered to save herself. She showed no remorse.

IMO, she is a sociopath.
 
I'm not an expert on meth, but I've read it can cause all kinds of terrible oral health problems. I noticed in one of Michelle's more recent facebook photos (and trust me, it sickens me to even look at her face) that her gums and teeth looked awful. While this could have been the result of poor oral hygiene, I'm thinking meth was probably the culprit. She probably started taking it around the same time she began trolling for men to rape her children which was about six months before Victoria was murdered and several months before she met FG.

I'm struggling, however, to blame her behavior entirely on drugs. Even if she was a habitual user, she had to known what she was doing to her children was horrific, but she continued doing it for her own pleasure. She was coherent enough to go to work every day and to lie to the police for hours after Victoria was murdered to save herself. She showed no remorse.

IMO, she is a sociopath.
Yeah, the meth may have been a catalyst, but the part of her that would allow this to happen was already there.
 
When I see the photos on DailyMail, Victoria looks well-cared for. Her hair always looks nice, her clothes are cute, clean, and pressed, the interior of the home in the background of the photos looks neat a pin. The only thing that stands out is a couple of photos of her wearing some make-up. When I see the photos of the grandparents (http://krqe.com/2016/09/30/grandparents-of-10-year-old-victoria-martens-speak-out-for-first-time/), they also seem so normal and baffled by what happened to their daughter. Even the ex-husband says she was a fine person.

WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED?!?!?! And how did it seemingly happen so quickly?? How does a MOTHER watch and enjoy this and nobody around her has any idea.

What was the sign that the school noticed that something wasn't right....anyone know? (I suppose that is confidential.)

jmo

I am curious to know if meth had been given to Victoria previous times. Does anyone know of the effects of the drug on children? I would think there would have indications, changes in behavior, appearance, focus, etc. Maybe the day she died was the first time they had given it to her.
 
I am curious to know if meth had been given to Victoria previous times. Does anyone know of the effects of the drug on children? I would think there would have indications, changes in behavior, appearance, focus, etc. Maybe the day she died was the first time they had given it to her.
One of the articles linked above (Forget which one) stated that both kids were given meth or Zzzquil to make them relax and not fight during previous encounters. This did not seem to be the first time.

Omg...after typing that out, I'm so damn angry again!! So premeditated. So much thought and planning went into their abuse! Sickening.
 
One of the articles linked above (Forget which one) stated that both kids were given meth or Zzzquil to make them relax and not fight during previous encounters. This did not seem to be the first time.

Omg...after typing that out, I'm so damn angry again!! So premeditated. So much thought and planning went into their abuse! Sickening.

Wow, just wow.....
 
One of the articles linked above (Forget which one) stated that both kids were given meth or Zzzquil to make them relax and not fight during previous encounters. This did not seem to be the first time.

Omg...after typing that out, I'm so damn angry again!! So premeditated. So much thought and planning went into their abuse! Sickening.

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So does this mean that it was confirmed that Victoria's brother, too, was abused? Such a terrible, disgusting, @$&!€ display of human beings to treat those children that way.


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So does this mean that it was confirmed that Victoria's brother, too, was abused? Such a terrible, disgusting, @$&!€ display of human beings to treat those children that way.


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That is what has been reported in several media outlets. That information comes from the police interviews with the mother. She would have men come in to the home to have sex with both children.
 
That is what has been reported in several media outlets. That information comes from the police interviews with the mother. She would have men come in to the home to have sex with both children.
I'm not sure I will be able to stay updated on this case.

It sickens me so much that I get really angry and upset inside - the biggest reason is because there are always more of them - no matter how many get caught and put away.

No words is right. These cases take pieces of my humanity. One case at a time, I feel all is wrong in the world.

It's beyond draining and painful.

Praying that the sweet boy gets away from the evil that has no doubt filled his life.

WG
 
Any arrests been made yet of the monsters that were invited to abuse these poor children?
 
Any arrests been made yet of the monsters that were invited to abuse these poor children?

I've wondered the same thing. I hope a thorough inventory was taken on those scumbags.


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New court documents show prosecutors are currently seeking medical records of slain 10-year-old Victoria Martens; including medical and counseling records from a business touting itself as a holistic medical facility.

According to court records, prosecutors are requesting information from a business called ‘The Attachment Healing Center’ located in Southeast Albuquerque.

On website of the business, it says the center is a holistic medicine provider dedicated to helping children heal. It is a mental health center that assists children who have suffered attachment disruptions or traumas, children who for whatever reason are emotionally distressed, and children who may need a little help connecting in a healthy way with their families and the larger world.
http://www.koat.com/article/victori...ords-from-holistic-treatment-facility/6833657
 
Children’s brains change in relation to others. They need to be taught how to connect with others, and if they initially learned something else, something less healthy-in situations of abuse or neglect or great stress they need to be re-taught. Their brains need to form new neuronal pathways.

Using knowledge gained from extensive research into neuroscience and attachment and trauma, Attachment Healing Center works to break negative cycles, create authentic relationships, and teach children and their families how to live and think in more constructive ways.

Parents and caregivers, too, need to be re-taught how to genuinely, attentively listen; how to become the sort of adult figure a child can trust; and how not to repeat negative behavioural patterns.
http://www.attachmenthealingcenter.com/

Curious what triggered her need for that kind of treatment. Also was it voluntarily sought, or ordered? Like we've all been saying, there is more to the story than has been divulged this far.

ETA-http://www.attachmenthealingcenter.com/school-based-services/
 
Very interesting...why the need for this type of counseling? To me, it suggests there were prior neglect/abuse issues. That poor little girl. What other horrors did she endure?
 
I hate reading this thread but I hate that these littles actually lived this even more. It's beyond depraved, sickened ing, or anything else I can come up with. I've never wanted anyone to suffer a slow, slow, painful demise more than I want it for these disgusting freaks.
 

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