"no red flags"

[Vegas Bride]

Geez you all are so hard on Cindy. It's not red flags, it's misstatements and half truths. The red flags are very very LIGHT PINK at best.
My goodness you are all so nit picky. :crazy:




You had me until you used Cindy and Normal in the same post. Now I'm lost. :waitasec:

lol thanks for the chuckle!

I find myself not being able to read here much lately and post very little. It's been over 10 months now since Caylee went away and things just keep getting crazier and crazier, it needs to end, we all need closure and Caylee deserves justice.

VB

 

[Friday]

Snip:

No red flags huh Cindy?
Let's see.

Did you or George smell something either in the garage or in the house or in the back yard and THAT is what made you send out the troops? How DID Casey "package" your granddaughter right there in your garage without you all ever smelling anything again? I am still a little fuzzy on that one.

I never thought of this, Magic Cat. How did KC accomplish that? We know that the scent of decomp increases with the passage of time, even though the source has already been removed...

That would indicate KC either "packaged" Caylee at the house before decomp was far enough along to cause any odor. Or else she did it (or some of it) later, away from the house. Is there another possibility I'm overlooking here at 2 AM?

 

[tankgirl]

Nice one Justjax.. so many sharp minds here.
Couldn't help but notice that during Cindy's interview this morning she often shook her head as she was advocating for her daughter. Oddly, many times when she spoke about Caylee, she nodded instead.

 

[Boston]

Regarding Red Flag No 4. So she gets all these bizarre stories about Caylee being at the nanny's all the time, you can't talk to her now. And CA says that she has all these addresses and phone numbers for Zanny the Nanny at home. Why not use them? If she thought KC was keeping Caylee from her, I would think a forward and domineering woman like CA would stomp over to the nanny's home for a visit with her grandchild. She certainly seems the type. She eventually tracked down KC, she sent LA out to find her as well, so why not call or visit this nanny?

I know, I know, because there was no nanny. Just pointing out how she screws up every time she opens her mouth. The more CA talks, the less sense she makes.

In my opinion this blows the Zanny the Nanny story right out of the water.

If Zanny was Caylee's regular Nanny for 2 years how could Cindy possibly expect anyone to believe that in 31 days she never once attempted to call & speak to Caylee..?

Cindy & George were a "Huge" part of Caylee's life.....Caylee lived in their home..!!

Wasn't Cindy at all concerned that Maybe Caylee might be wondering what happened to her Grandparents?

Did Cindy consider that Caylee might be just a little bit...."Traumatized"

Noooo,,, everything was normal & there were .."No Red Flags"

Is it normal to uproot a 2 year old from her home, her family, her bedroom, her toys & drop her off with the "Nanny" without so much as a phone call for 31 days...???

Please Cindy.....Stop the Lies


BOLDED BY BOSTON

 

[Friday]

Regarding Red Flag No 4. So she gets all these bizarre stories about Caylee being at the nanny's all the time, you can't talk to her now. And CA says that she has all these addresses and phone numbers for Zanny the Nanny at home. Why not use them? If she thought KC was keeping Caylee from her, I would think a forward and domineering woman like CA would stomp over to the nanny's home for a visit with her grandchild. She certainly seems the type. She eventually tracked down KC, she sent LA out to find her as well, so why not call or visit this nanny?

I know, I know, because there was no nanny. Just pointing out how she screws up every time she opens her mouth. The more CA talks, the less sense she makes.

Given how forceful CA is, I've always wondered why, when Caylee was never "available" whenever Cindy called, Cindy didn't issue a simple ultimatum to KC, "Casey, if I have not spoken to Caylee by tomorrow night, I will call the police and have them hunt you down wherever you are. I will tell them you've stolen my car or been kidnapped or whatever it takes. No second chances, no more excuses. This is your final warning."

As we already know, Cindy is fully capable of dragging the police into the fray with a phony car-theft accusation when she can't get answers from KC. And as we also already know from GA's "suicide attempt" the police would have tracked KC down within two hours of Cindy's call.

If that had been done when KC stood Cindy up at Universal on July 3, the Suburban dump site wouldn't have been under water, and the same searchers who tried to search there right off the bat, including TES, would have surely recovered the remains and in a condition that would have provided much more forensic information.

Oh well, I'm just grateful the remains were discovered. I truly believed they never would be found, which would have vastly improved KC's chances of going free.

 

[Friday]

Snip:

If you heard someone just loved your granddaughter so much that they bought them everything they needed and was always willing to watch them for free, wouldn't you be very suspicous? I would be asking a lot about their intentions, that's not normal! VB

I always thought of it as completely implausible, but you're right...it would be unnatural enough to make me worry and do some serious investigating.

 

[DotsEyes]

There was a red flag by the second night with no Caylee and no KC, as Caylee had never been out of the house for 2 nights in a row in almost 3 years.

There was a red flag the very first time that CA asked to speak to Caylee and was refused.

Maybe KC was a good mother in the early days, but CA knows that those days were long gone. CA even thought KC to be a sociopath. Red flag.

July 3rd. "My Caylee is Missing". Red flag.

Of course there were red flags, but no one thinks MURDER.

There was no reason to think the child was dead, until July 15th.
Who would think that their daughter isn't letting them talk to their grandchild because she is dead? CA thought it was one of KC's games and she was just being mean because she could be, she had Caylee.

So, yes there were unusual things happening, but who would think murder?

That thought must take a long time to sink in and I think we saw CA when she broke. She was like walking death. She is revived and today stated that she wants to know what happened. I don't doubt for a minute that she wanted to die. But, she has found reason to go on living as has GA, despite knowing that their grandchild was murdered and their daughter may be sentenced to execution. They have decided to see this to the end, together, no matter how painful it is. They want to know what happened and I hope that their marriage will grow stronger. Forged in steel and all that.

But I just don't think that CA or GA had any reason to think that KC would kill Caylee. It was not even a thought.

I hope LA can have a good life without being branded because he happens to be KC's brother. How many women are out there who want to marry a guy whose sister is on death row for murdering her baby? I think the line is short.

Execution ruins families for generations. The stigma of execution is carried far into the future for the entire extended family thus the murderer does even more damage, by shaming her family long after she is executed. It serves no real purpose to kill her. Life. Let her grow up and old and die on God's time, even if in prison. She needs a long time, maybe a lifetime, to reflect and do pennance.

 

[Boston]

Yes, you are right on target. I remember all the "red flags" and "clues" from the hours of LE interviews. It was CRAZY and your examples are right on. Now Ricardo sitting there in her house sweating and acting all nervous WAS a red flag, Jesse getting his dates mixed up on when he last heard Caylee was also a HUGE red flag. Oh and the fact that Amy didn't help pass out flyers...another red flag ! But, everything Casey has done, everything is not a red flag because there was ALWAYS an explanation...FOR EVERYTHING !!!!! No cause for alarm with Cindy because there was always a very reasonable explanation from Casey.

I haven't seen or spoken to Caylee in 31 days......."Normal"

Casey's digging holes in the back yard......."Normal"

Casey breaks into the shed & steals Gas cans......."Normal"

Caylee's Pooh Blanket is Missing......."Normal"

Casey's abandoned Car smells like "A Dead Body"......."Probably just a Pizza"

Casey's Pants smell like "A Dead Body"....."I think I'll wash them"

Jessie Walks out of the room so he can talk on his cell phone in Private....."HUGE RED FLAG"

 

[Whisperer]

Tankgirl,
Good point...I have noticed her shaking her head, "NO" and saying yes.

 

[Boston]

Snip:



I never thought of this, Magic Cat. How did KC accomplish that? We know that the scent of decomp increases with the passage of time, even though the source has already been removed...

That would indicate KC either "packaged" Caylee at the house before decomp was far enough along to cause any odor. Or else she did it (or some of it) later, away from the house. Is there another possibility I'm overlooking here at 2 AM?

I'm still very curious about what actually happened on June 24th between Casey & George....."The Gas Can / Tire Wedge incident"

George stated that he was right up to the rear bumper of the car when Casey threw the gas cans at him so the trunk was open while he was right next to it.

How could he have not smelled the Decomp...?

Thats assuming that there was a Decomp smell in the trunk on June 24th

I would think so....8 days after Caylee's death in the hot FLA sun.

Also, didn't George & Cindy say that they Looked all over the back yard for Caylee?

Under the Sandbox cover, The Playhouse.......What prompted them to do that?

Was it the Decomp odor ...??

 

[Whisperer]

Given how forceful CA is, I've always wondered why, when Caylee was never "available" whenever Cindy called, Cindy didn't issue a simple ultimatum to KC, "Casey, if I have not spoken to Caylee by tomorrow night, I will call the police and have them hunt you down wherever you are. I will tell them you've stolen my car or been kidnapped or whatever it takes. No second chances, no more excuses. This is your final warning."

As we already know, Cindy is fully capable of dragging the police into the fray with a phony car-theft accusation when she can't get answers from KC. And as we also already know from GA's "suicide attempt" the police would have tracked KC down within two hours of Cindy's call.

If that had been done when KC stood Cindy up at Universal on July 3, the Suburban dump site wouldn't have been under water, and the same searchers who tried to search there right off the bat, including TES, would have surely recovered the remains and in a condition that would have provided much more forensic information.

Oh well, I'm just grateful the remains were discovered. I truly believed they never would be found, which would have vastly improved KC's chances of going free.

I agree with you!

my BIG RED FLAGS:

It is obvious to me, but not to all, that Cindy was well aware of the demise of Caylee from day one. (June 16) Her behavior screams it. She never called Casey during the first two weeks. Casey did all the "reaching out". In fact, on the 16th, neither parent returned any of the many calls to their cell, work from Casey. Speaks volumnes.

Cindy or George could have reported the car stolen the first day. They could have explained the situation to LE and ask for their help to locate the grandchild who lived with them (as a welfare check, even) They could have found her friends and located her. They knew Caylee's clothes were in their home and not missing.

According to Cindy's own post, she knew kc did not have a job or means of support, so what do they do? NOTHING!. They wait and wait till the car is towed and reeks of decomp to call BUT not right away. They had to find Casey first..come on. They waited 8 hrs till they found kc and cleaned the car and washed pants saturated with decomp. The waited till the "nanny stole her" was solidified, and then, and only then, did they call. Cindy was covering her butt. She was afraid the tow yard might notify LE about the smell. If not for the smell, Cindy NEVER would have called 911, because, IMO, she knew and was very well aware that Caylee was gone...and the back pedaling began...a new reality was born.

 

[2goldfish]

Is it just me, or is it odd that you would put a child down for a nap in the evening around 7 or 7:30? :waitasec:

just for the record, my 2 year old naps from about 7 to nine since christmas then stays up til midnight and sleeps til 9 am - awful habit we are unable to break yet :biglaugh:


I dont have much on topic to say...only that I never found it weird that the other As didnt call 911 til a month had passed, who on earth assumes that their daughter killed their grandchild upon moving out of the house?

I feel that was pretty average there.

 

[debs]

Just sitting here picking apart the latest spin by the A's.
So I decided to search "red flag" because I KNOW that Cindy has mentioned that phrase in the last 9 months.

Here is what I have found in the first search of the keywords...I would be curious as to what we could sleuth in this latest presentation of "mistruths' from the A's


(snipped)

Anthony: Well, what happened was, to set the background right, she had told me that she had been in Jacksonville for the last week and a half. We had gotten a notice in the mail that we had a registered letter. We found the registered letter a few days before, but it was the weekend, so we had to go down and get it. When we got it, my husband found out it was from a tow truck or a towing company.
When we actually went down and found out that the car that she, you know, uses was not in Jacksonville. It was in Orlando and (when) we found out the date, that was a huge red flag.
I started calling her friends and I found one friend that had just seen her a few hours prior, and she took me to where Casey was at. When I got there, there was no Caylee so I started to feel like, "What's going on?" She had told me that she was at the sitter's, so we took her friend home. Her friend and her, and I drove around for a while. It was later in the evening, about 7, 7:30. That's typically when we start getting Caylee down for a nap and Casey's response was that Caylee was probably already getting ready for bed and didn't want to disrupt her.
But being the selfish grandma that I am, I wanted to see my granddaughter. So we drove around a bit, and I tried to convince her to take me to her. I just started getting an eerie feeling that something wasn't right in Casey's voice. I know my daughter pretty well.


http://wdbo.com/news/08_0801_caylee_cindyonlarrykinglive.html

Hey Cindy: Huge red flag for ya: In your deposition, you said you didn't know any of Casey's friends or their numbers. OOPS. Guess you should have reviewed what YOU said and not so much Mr. Morgan's statements.

 

[kk1012]

No red flags huh Cindy?
Let's see.
Red flag No. 1-You KNEW that Casey had no job and no money. How did you think she was buying diapers and food for Caylee being as it had been YOU who had bought those things for her since her birth?

Red flag No. 2-NONE of Caylee's clothing or toys were missing from the home. This alone should have been a huge red flag to you. Do you seriously expect the world to believe that you actually thought someone else had bought Caylee an entire new wardrobe and all of her needs for an entire month? Someone you had never even met...Yeah right!

Red flag No. 3-You never spoke with Caylee the entire time. You had been with this kid each and every day of her life and yet, when you were unable to speak with her at all for 31 days that was no red flag to you?

Red flag No. 4-Casey's outrageous and unlikely stories about WHY you could not speak with Caylee. You seriously want us to believe that you bought into those stories? You are seriously naive if that is the case.

Red flag No. 5-The babysitter whom you had never met, spoken to nor seen at all was the one who was presumably buying all of Caylee's needs...and you bought that? Why?

Red flag No.6-George SAW Casey on the 24th of June. She was at the house stealing from you, and yet, this was no red flag indicating that she was not where she said she was and that Caylee was not with her?

Red flag No. 7-SOMETHING made you send out Lee on July 2nd to hunt her down Cindy. If not a red flag then what was it that made you alert to finding her then? Did you or George smell something either in the garage or in the house or in the back yard and THAT is what made you send out the troops? How DID Casey "package" your granddaughter right there in your garage without you all ever smelling anything again? I am still a little fuzzy on that one.

There was nothing BUT red flags Cindy...and you know it as well as the rest of us.

Excellent post....I think maybe you should have done the interview with the Anthony's....even though they would have hid behind their attorney with all those questions.....This whole "You'll have to wait til trial" excuse Cindy uses is a bunch of crap! To me it seems that when she doesn't have a good logical answer she uses this excuse for 2 reasons, #1. It adds mystery...it's like the "what if" factor.... it makes people not totally convinced that Casey is guilty, feel like there's more to the story....like there really IS a good explanation for all the BS Casey's made up....and #2. She wants to have that surprise thing at trial, a new story...a new set of circumstances that can't be checked and rechecked by people ! If she says it trial that leaves very little time for the prosecution or the media or websleuths, to find out if what she's spinning on the stand is indeed true or not....and believe me, what a story that's going to be! If Casey had a month to come up with the nanny story, imagine what she's cooked up after all this time? It'll be a nice little convenient story.....that kinda weaves everything together....at least I think so...maybe something to do with Casey being involved with underground crime of some sort....escorting, gambling, etc....I think the Anthony's watch all the tv shows about the case....I think they go online regularly to look for details....kinda like we do, but their objective is to hear it and counter it with something else...so they are very aware of case theories....and are very aware of what people think in general....so they will have a story cooked up that we don't know about yet....and it may even have a bit of truth to it....for instance, Casey may have been involved with some seedy characters for real....and even though that doesn't mean they would kill her daughter, it does allow for some doubt...to that 1 juror who isn't completely convinced....and as we've seen many times before, that 1 juror thing could actually happen! So just like with the evidence that we haven't seen all of yet, we haven't seen all of the Anthony's story yet...but it's coming! Almost like an old fashion campfire story or something...

 

[magic-cat]

Regarding Red Flag No 4. So she gets all these bizarre stories about Caylee being at the nanny's all the time, you can't talk to her now. And CA says that she has all these addresses and phone numbers for Zanny the Nanny at home. Why not use them? If she thought KC was keeping Caylee from her, I would think a forward and domineering woman like CA would stomp over to the nanny's home for a visit with her grandchild. She certainly seems the type. She eventually tracked down KC, she sent LA out to find her as well, so why not call or visit this nanny?

I know, I know, because there was no nanny. Just pointing out how she screws up every time she opens her mouth. The more CA talks, the less sense she makes.

You know, IF Cindy actually had been given contact info (albeit false) for ZFG and she finally located it and called and discovered that she had been duped by her daughter, perhaps THAT is when she sent Lee out? That's possible...:waitasec:

 

[elle1919]

There was a red flag by the second night with no Caylee and no KC, as Caylee had never been out of the house for 2 nights in a row in almost 3 years.

There was a red flag the very first time that CA asked to speak to Caylee and was refused.

Maybe KC was a good mother in the early days, but CA knows that those days were long gone. CA even thought KC to be a sociopath. Red flag.

July 3rd. "My Caylee is Missing". Red flag.

Of course there were red flags, but no one thinks MURDER.

There was no reason to think the child was dead, until July 15th.
Who would think that their daughter isn't letting them talk to their grandchild because she is dead? CA thought it was one of KC's games and she was just being mean because she could be, she had Caylee.

So, yes there were unusual things happening, but who would think murder?

That thought must take a long time to sink in and I think we saw CA when she broke. She was like walking death. She is revived and today stated that she wants to know what happened. I don't doubt for a minute that she wanted to die. But, she has found reason to go on living as has GA, despite knowing that their grandchild was murdered and their daughter may be sentenced to execution. They have decided to see this to the end, together, no matter how painful it is. They want to know what happened and I hope that their marriage will grow stronger. Forged in steel and all that.

But I just don't think that CA or GA had any reason to think that KC would kill Caylee. It was not even a thought.

I hope LA can have a good life without being branded because he happens to be KC's brother. How many women are out there who want to marry a guy whose sister is on death row for murdering her baby? I think the line is short.

Execution ruins families for generations. The stigma of execution is carried far into the future for the entire extended family thus the murderer does even more damage, by shaming her family long after she is executed. It serves no real purpose to kill her. Life. Let her grow up and old and die on God's time, even if in prison. She needs a long time, maybe a lifetime, to reflect and do pennance.

Hi Dots...while I respect your opinion I must disagree with a vengeance. I agree that George and Cindy never, in their wildest dreams, imagined that Casey was sick enough to MURDER Caylee. But, in my opinion they knew she was sick. They knew she was a liar and a thief. They knew she was deceitful and I am convinced that Cindy especially knew that it wasn't fit for Caylee to spend the night away from home with Casey. Whenever Casey tried to sleep away from the house Cindy called her and asked her to bring Caylee home. Now....why would she do that if she thought Caylee would be safe with Casey?? Furthermore, Cindy told Ryan and Lord knows who else that she "felt" Casey was a sociopath. Cindy told her friends and coworkers that she didn't trust Casey and she was thinking about seeking custody of Caylee. Cindy's words to Tony Lazzaro were that she hoped he had lots of money because Casey would rob him blind. (Or something to that effect)In my opinion she had worse things to say about her daughter than she did about Jesse Grund, the person she is now trying to throw under the bus.

So in my opinion....did Cindy think Casey was capable of murder/ Maybe not.....but she had SERIOUS concerns for the welfare and safety of her grandaughter....RED FLAGS...in my mind I think Cindy feels like she is eventually going to heal if she continues to do damage control and support her daughter in this ficticious(sp)way. Truly though she is just continuing to punish herself, Casey and her entire family. I think in her sick mind she thinks if she builds Casey back up with all this praise she will earn her mental freedom. If she could only convince the world that Casey is perfect and her family is the perfect all american family....then she will be the winner and her daughter will prevail. In reality only the truth will set her free. And I for one would be the first to applaud her if she could just for once tell the truth and give Caylee some justice.

Ya know a lot of people have done things to bring me sorrow over the course of my life. I have many personal stories that I have not yet been able to open up about here on this forum. I am a survivor of Familial rape and abuse. There were a lot of tears shed that I can't get back, innocence taken that I so deserved to have. I had hatred...unspeakable revolting disgust. I never thought I would be free from all of that pain. But 2 words from someone that REALLY meant it, someone that really wanted to be free of the pain they had caused me and MEANT it..made all the difference. .....the truth can make all the difference.

 

[zoey]

I agree with you!

my BIG RED FLAGS:

It is obvious to me, but not to all, that Cindy was well aware of the demise of Caylee from day one. (June 16) Her behavior screams it. She never called Casey during the first two weeks. Casey did all the "reaching out". In fact, on the 16th, neither parent returned any of the many calls to their cell, work from Casey. Speaks volumnes.

Cindy or George could have reported the car stolen the first day. They could have explained the situation to LE and ask for their help to locate the grandchild who lived with them (as a welfare check, even) They could have found her friends and located her. They knew Caylee's clothes were in their home and not missing.

According to Cindy's own post, she knew kc did not have a job or means of support, so what do they do? NOTHING!. They wait and wait till the car is towed and reeks of decomp to call BUT not right away. They had to find Casey first..come on. They waited 8 hrs till they found kc and cleaned the car and washed pants saturated with decomp. The waited till the "nanny stole her" was solidified, and then, and only then, did they call. Cindy was covering her butt. She was afraid the tow yard might notify LE about the smell. If not for the smell, Cindy NEVER would have called 911, because, IMO, she knew and was very well aware that Caylee was gone...and the back pedaling began...a new reality was born.

heck I'm still wondering why no one changed locks in the house--they knew kc was coming & going and taking (stealing) food and such.....that could have prompted something...also why not have someone just stake out the house INSIDE?????? If you want something sometimes you have to take some sort of action.....might be a tad inconvenient --- but with the welfare of a child at stake......

 

[ibyoungr]

There was a red flag by the second night with no Caylee and no KC, as Caylee had never been out of the house for 2 nights in a row in almost 3 years.

There was a red flag the very first time that CA asked to speak to Caylee and was refused.

Maybe KC was a good mother in the early days, but CA knows that those days were long gone. CA even thought KC to be a sociopath. Red flag.

July 3rd. "My Caylee is Missing". Red flag.

Of course there were red flags, but no one thinks MURDER.

There was no reason to think the child was dead, until July 15th.
Who would think that their daughter isn't letting them talk to their grandchild because she is dead? CA thought it was one of KC's games and she was just being mean because she could be, she had Caylee.

So, yes there were unusual things happening, but who would think murder?

That thought must take a long time to sink in and I think we saw CA when she broke. She was like walking death. She is revived and today stated that she wants to know what happened. I don't doubt for a minute that she wanted to die. But, she has found reason to go on living as has GA, despite knowing that their grandchild was murdered and their daughter may be sentenced to execution. They have decided to see this to the end, together, no matter how painful it is. They want to know what happened and I hope that their marriage will grow stronger. Forged in steel and all that.

But I just don't think that CA or GA had any reason to think that KC would kill Caylee. It was not even a thought.

I hope LA can have a good life without being branded because he happens to be KC's brother. How many women are out there who want to marry a guy whose sister is on death row for murdering her baby? I think the line is short.

Execution ruins families for generations. The stigma of execution is carried far into the future for the entire extended family thus the murderer does even more damage, by shaming her family long after she is executed. It serves no real purpose to kill her. Life. Let her grow up and old and die on God's time, even if in prison. She needs a long time, maybe a lifetime, to reflect and do pennance.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Well written. Also the Anthony's will have to deal with their own hell here on earth for many years after we have moved on for all the shoulda's coulda's and second guesses.

 

[PoppyH]

I LMAO about No Red Flags, there were so many!!!!!!!! Gimme a break, who does Cindy think she is fooling/? No one but herself!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[marmar]

Once, just once, I wish one of these Media outlets that are giving them air time/interviews, would have the guts to say to them when they say there were no red flags, "So why did you feel the need to look under the playhouse in the back yard?" or "Why did you make the statement to TL that she was a sociopath?" or "Why did you tell AH in the car all of the heinous things KC had been doing, prior to you even finding her at TL's apartment and knowing Caylee was missing?"

Until that happens, they are going to continue to spew their story and assume everyone is believing them. I think all it might take is for some of these interviewers to start holding them accountable for the statements they made prior, and what they're saying now, for them to stop trying to sell their story.

I guess we'll just have to wait for trial for that to happen.