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We tend to think so - at a basic level. Elements we understand pretty well, and the periodic number is simply the number of protons in the element. So, in the lower numbers, we're familiar with each element - one proton - hydrogen. 2 protons, helium. 8 protons - carbon. There can be isotopes of these, based on how many neutrons, electrons there are, but the element itself is simply a name given to the number of protrons.

The question is how big it can go - the more protons you stuff into a neucleus, the faster it falls apart. We've constructed the higher elements in labs - they're not naturally occurring, and they're radioactive. Probably some of them are sitting inside stars, and quite possibly a few higher numbers than we know of. But the idea of, let's say, a new element that is like carbon, but not carbon - that we're pretty sure just doesn't exist.

Now, it's interesting how they are all used - carbon may be coal or a diamond depending on the structure of the chemical bonds (which basicly amount to the electron sharing arrangement they've come up with, with the other atoms in the molecules), or the old limerick:

Johnny was a chemist
Johnny is no more
What Johnny thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

That was a really good answer, thank you for that. When I look around the natural world (earth, space, animals, humans, etc.) everything seems to be made up of layers. Like an onion, a tree, human skin then muscle, dirt then bedrock, a tooth with enamel then pulp, etc.

Whatever exploded must have been quite large to fill the entire universe with all it's stuff, right?

So what if that was made up of layers too? Layers of different types of atoms, or atomic structure. What if our periodic table of chemical elements only applies to our particular layer in space? Everything that came from the explosion is in layers also. Our canopy above the earth, then the space in between, then the surface of the earth, then the different layers of the earth, then the core. The rest of the chunks in space are in layers also. So why wouldn't the original thing that exploded have been in layers as well?

Just a thought. You may have to forgive my vast ignorance. :D
 
Adding a very hands-on user friendly site:

www.spaceweather.com

Space Weather is ran by Dr. Tony Phillips, out of NASA... he is very hands on and really works to help you out if you come upon something atmospheric, solar, or space related that has caught your eye. He has helped me out on various occasions in verifying and pinpointing some atmospheric anomolies that I photographed. (I owe my thanks to him for getting my atmospheric/solar astronomy work noticed by one of his colleagues at NASA... it led to my first professional publication as an atmospheric photographer and astronomer). Also, his site has extensive galleries full of reader contributed images relating to various atmospheric, space and solar happenings... everything from noctilucent clouds, planet alignments, to auroras. (The site is always updated on incoming CME's or solar wind streams that cause aurora events... as well as active sunspots, and other space related events.)
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/
Also, check out http://www.atoptics.co.uk/

Mr. Cowley is an atmospheric specialist in Europe and does a lot of inputting on the atmospheric part of the Space Weather site... lots to learn from his site on unusual sunsets and other atmospheric happenings. ( I have work on there called "Mystery Sunset" )
 
Looks like scarpetta has either too much time on her hands or she's doing some research for a summer school student.;):blowkiss:
 
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If y'all are interested in making sure that Hubble will keep us seeing deeper and deeper into space, giving us new insight into how things came to be, out there and here on Earth, check out this site:

http://www.savethehubble.com/

It carries an extensive amount of info on how things are going in regards of getting Hubble serviced... but it helps to have more and more of the public eye paying attention to this issue. There is a tentative service mission date, but things can change and believe me, there are people out there that would rather see the mission NOT happen. The Hubble team is working hard at keeping the scope healthy and flying, but issues exist that can only be rectified with a service mission.
 
That was a really good answer, thank you for that. When I look around the natural world (earth, space, animals, humans, etc.) everything seems to be made up of layers. Like an onion, a tree, human skin then muscle, dirt then bedrock, a tooth with enamel then pulp, etc.

Whatever exploded must have been quite large to fill the entire universe with all it's stuff, right?

So what if that was made up of layers too? Layers of different types of atoms, or atomic structure. What if our periodic table of chemical elements only applies to our particular layer in space? Everything that came from the explosion is in layers also. Our canopy above the earth, then the space in between, then the surface of the earth, then the different layers of the earth, then the core. The rest of the chunks in space are in layers also. So why wouldn't the original thing that exploded have been in layers as well?

Just a thought. You may have to forgive my vast ignorance. :D
You learn through questions and research, you only maintain ignorance by keeping silent.

As we understand it - the big bang was about energy. Elementary particles formed as the temperature cooled, atoms as it cooled further. The atoms though - in space, you don't find a bunch of different atoms - only the simple ones. You need pressure and such to break an atom down, and compose a more complex element. In a planet, heat and pressure cause the higher elements (carbon, iron, etc.) to form as temperatures cool, atoms are able to remain intact.

So, it's not like all these atoms existed in the big bang, that we could say it was composed of 2.33% carbon - carbon didn't exist. IIRC, not even quarks and exotic particles did (building blocks of protons, neutrons, electrons, which are the building blocks of atoms, which are the building blocks of everything).
 
Molecules are where the fun is. Take chlorine, for instance. Nicely poisonous, but you eat it every day - in salt. Sodium Chloride. In one form, one particular type of atom, element, is poisionous, in another, it's useful to life.
 
Scarpetta, I think your questions are great. I would like to suggest you list them all together and send e-mails to the Discovery Channel, Science Channel, etc. Also send them to Nobel Prize winners and even Steven Hawking. Perhaps you will get a great bunch of answers and you may even suggest they do a show answering these questions.

My dad, a chemist and science teacher also believed in the big bang theory. Not to bring religion into it as you suggested, he also believed in God. He had no problem with either belief and didn't think they conflicted.
 
I don't expect anyone to have an idea, but I'd love to know just how far space goes, does it end somewhere, what is on the other side, and what it looks like. I'm not bringing religion in either, but I believe all questions will someday be answered and also that the big bang theory could fit in with creation. I have so many questions from just the first chapter of Genesis that it would boggle my mind to really study it all scientifically.
 
You learn through questions and research, you only maintain ignorance by keeping silent.

As we understand it - the big bang was about energy. Elementary particles formed as the temperature cooled, atoms as it cooled further. The atoms though - in space, you don't find a bunch of different atoms - only the simple ones. You need pressure and such to break an atom down, and compose a more complex element. In a planet, heat and pressure cause the higher elements (carbon, iron, etc.) to form as temperatures cool, atoms are able to remain intact.

So, it's not like all these atoms existed in the big bang, that we could say it was composed of 2.33% carbon - carbon didn't exist. IIRC, not even quarks and exotic particles did (building blocks of protons, neutrons, electrons, which are the building blocks of atoms, which are the building blocks of everything).

Ok, Details...so fire, or intense heat kills atoms then. So my cardboard matchbox fell apart and turned to ash because the fire incinerated all the atoms that were holding it together? Does that mean that ashes do not contain atoms, or does it mean that they become different atoms altogether. You said that first there were elementary particles, and as they cooled atoms began to form. So the particles were not made up of atoms? Or did you mean that they were very simple atoms and became more complex atoms as everything cooled down. Your answers are great by the way. I am enjoying the education.
 
Looks like scarpetta has either too much time on her hands or she's doing some research for a summer school student.;):blowkiss:

Philamena, I am the only one here in need of an education.:waitasec:

These questions actually started when I watched the "strike anywhere" empty cardboard box burn up and stay intact for so long while completely glowing red. I probably also had a little too much time on my hands. :D
 
Adding a very hands-on user friendly site:

www.spaceweather.com

Space Weather is ran by Dr. Tony Phillips, out of NASA... he is very hands on and really works to help you out if you come upon something atmospheric, solar, or space related that has caught your eye. He has helped me out on various occasions in verifying and pinpointing some atmospheric anomolies that I photographed. (I owe my thanks to him for getting my atmospheric/solar astronomy work noticed by one of his colleagues at NASA... it led to my first professional publication as an atmospheric photographer and astronomer). Also, his site has extensive galleries full of reader contributed images relating to various atmospheric, space and solar happenings... everything from noctilucent clouds, planet alignments, to auroras. (The site is always updated on incoming CME's or solar wind streams that cause aurora events... as well as active sunspots, and other space related events.)

Also, check out http://www.atoptics.co.uk/

Mr. Cowley is an atmospheric specialist in Europe and does a lot of inputting on the atmospheric part of the Space Weather site... lots to learn from his site on unusual sunsets and other atmospheric happenings. ( I have work on there called "Mystery Sunset" )

Thank you for the links Elphaba. Maybe you would consider posting some of your work.
 
Scarpetta, I think your questions are great. I would like to suggest you list them all together and send e-mails to the Discovery Channel, Science Channel, etc. Also send them to Nobel Prize winners and even Steven Hawking. Perhaps you will get a great bunch of answers and you may even suggest they do a show answering these questions.

My dad, a chemist and science teacher also believed in the big bang theory. Not to bring religion into it as you suggested, he also believed in God. He had no problem with either belief and didn't think they conflicted.

BarnGoddess, I think if Steven Hawking received my email his associates would hear the robot voice on his computer say...WHO..ALLOWED...THIS...LETTER...TO..GET...THROUGH? :eek:
 
I don't expect anyone to have an idea, but I'd love to know just how far space goes, does it end somewhere, what is on the other side, and what it looks like. I'm not bringing religion in either, but I believe all questions will someday be answered and also that the big bang theory could fit in with creation. I have so many questions from just the first chapter of Genesis that it would boggle my mind to really study it all scientifically.

HOW BIG IS THE UNIVERSE?
"No one knows if the universe is infinitely large, or even if ours is the only universe there is. Although our view of the universe is limited, our imaginations are not. Astronomers have indirect evidence that the universe of galaxies extends far beyond the region we can see. But no one knows if the whole universe is infinitely large - large beyond limit.
According to the leading theories, other parts of the universe may look very different from our own - and may even have different laws of nature. We may never be able to find out for sure. But it is possible that clues to the answer lie in plain view, just waiting to be discovered!"


http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/howfar/howbig.html
 
Ok, Details...so fire, or intense heat kills atoms then. So my cardboard matchbox fell apart and turned to ash because the fire incinerated all the atoms that were holding it together? Does that mean that ashes do not contain atoms, or does it mean that they become different atoms altogether. You said that first there were elementary particles, and as they cooled atoms began to form. So the particles were not made up of atoms? Or did you mean that they were very simple atoms and became more complex atoms as everything cooled down. Your answers are great by the way. I am enjoying the education.
Extreme heat or pressure kills atoms. But, just like chlorine and salt are very, very different creatures, a chemical transformation can break or rearrange molecular bonds. The ashes contain atoms.


I'm bad on terminology, so please forgive me here.
We start with molecules- they can be big or small, and they have their own properties that vary quite a bit, regardless of how similar their chemical (AKA element or atom) makeup is. Chlorine may be a part of a deadly gas, or a part of a salt crystal. Molecules can be broken down by adding the right chemicals or energy (fire).

Atoms are the next level down. They are not easily broken apart - a carbon atom remains a carbon atom. Their type is determined by the number of protons. They will have an equal number of electrons, and a similar number of neutrons. Protons have a positive charge, electrons have a negative one - when they are balanced, the atom has a neutral charge, when electrons get suctioned away one way or another, the atom becomes positively charged, and tries to capture more electrons. Neutrons are neutral, but contain the same mass (approx) as a protron. Electrons are very lightweight.

However, protrons, netrons and electrons are also composed of smaller particles - and those are composed of smaller still particles (IIRC - college physics was awhile ago).

So, at the start of the big bang is a ton of energy and matter, unimagineably hot. It cools enough (still unimaginabely hot) for some of the building blocks of protrons etc. to be made. Then it cools a little more, and protrons, neutrons, electrons form from combinations of the more exotic particles, which means that atoms form, and reform - heat is energy, which means the atoms are moving around very fast, which means they can fracture apart - this is at temperatures that you might see in the sun, not a fire from a match, nor from a bonfire. Things cool more, and the simple atoms are everywhere. They accumulate randomly a little, that creates gravity, which pulls together more atoms (simple stuff - hydrogen, helium), and so on - until the gravity is pulling them close enough the pressure begins to cause more combinations, and heat - atoms may recombine to form heavier elements, due to heat and pressure. As things cool - as on a planet, atoms are more stable.

So, when we see something transform, whether through fire burning something up, water dissolving salt, cold creating ice from water - it's not atoms being broken apart, just the structure of molecules changing.
 
Great thread! I love to read all the new scientific discoveries. Way too many links and info to read right now. Since so much more info is known and being studied now, I do believe that we will know some day. I'm still stuck on there being a scientific reason for the Bermuda Triangle phenomenon. Something to do with magnetic fields and electricity?
 
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