Norway Norway - Arjen Kamphuis, 47, Dutch citizen, Bodø, 20 Aug 2018

[worldwatcher]

Hi Cave,
Welcome

 

[ZaZara]

Frustraties over onderzoek naar verdwenen Kamphuis


'Norwegian police act too slowly and communicate badly'
Frustrations about the investigation into the disappearance of Arjen Kamphuis


Family and friends of Arjen Kamphuis are frustrated by the investigation into the mysterious disappearance of Arjen Kamphuis. More than a month after his disappearance, there is still no trace of cyber specialist Kamphuis. The people left behind think that the Norwegian police is operating far too slowly.

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the rest is behind a wall, but the message is clear.

 

[Stizzi]

cell tower does have a huge area to cover

I'm not a mobile technology savvy guy, but I think the signals in Rogaland and Fauska are composed in the same way that multiple antennas pick up the signal and the police have been able to triangulate some more exact positions they do not want at present to publicize. Both events are still missing, for the public, the nature of these signals. Was it a simple turn on and off? Was there an unapproved attempt to open the phone? Was there a phone call? Email? SMS? Data traffic? Navigation?

Police witness in Rognan, who has been strong enough to timed a train departure, has filed his information to the police in the days around 2 September and has been questioned before September 11, when police report about the exact train departure. Have the police in this period known to signals in Fauske?

 

[Cave]

I'm not a mobile technology savvy guy, but I think the signals in Rogaland and Fauska are composed in the same way that multiple antennas pick up the signal and the police have been able to triangulate some more exact positions they do not want at present to publicize. Both events are still missing, for the public, the nature of these signals. Was it a simple turn on and off? Was there an unapproved attempt to open the phone? Was there a phone call? Email? SMS? Data traffic? Navigation?

Police witness in Rognan, who has been strong enough to timed a train departure, has filed his information to the police in the days around 2 September and has been questioned before September 11, when police report about the exact train departure. Have the police in this period known to signals in Fauske?

There are two different phone and cell tower issues.

First there is the 20/8 cell tower that is the last reception for the Fauske area of any of the phones from Arjen.

Second there is the 30/8 cell tower reception where media reports that there is at least 1 (but possibly two) receptions for Vikesa area.
Friends of Arjen state in according to media that a message has arrived, indicating that this 30/8 phone reception was towards an 'unlocked' phone, hence: that the pin for the phone must have been entered.
After 20 min, phone card is switched (but another possibility is also that this phone is dual sim capable, and bearer of the phone will then only have to switch (through internal function of phone) to disable one sim and enable other second sim.

We should try to ask family and friends which is the type of phone or phones that arjan had.
When we know the type of phones, we would be able to try to calculate the maximum range of these phones (not all phones have same send & receive range capability).
By doing so we can narrow in which area from both cell towers for case 1 (20.8) and case 2 (30.8) the bearer of the phone had to be situated.

(Im talking of the 'bearer' of the phone in order to avoid mixing facts and 'uncertain' elements, where as I of course hope that that bearer in both cases would be Arjen himself )

Cave

 

[Cave]

Regarding the type of communication I would expect Arjen to have used a combination of having a VPN connection to a trusted (owned) server and he would likely use a TOR connection on top of that.
(VPN + TOR is what is being described in the Snowden docs as 'nightmare' scenario as per surveillance by NSA).

For messaging, I would expect him to use an application like Signal or similar application to have end-to-end encryption on top of VPN + TOR connection.

From media I understand that Arjen did not have a Facebook account (anybody that respects his or her privacy does?
Whatsapp would be of the same no-no category (because owned by Facebook and as 'bad' as Facebook from privacy perspective).

Maybe friends and relatives of Arjen can tell which kinds of communication they would normally use in order to chat or communicate with Arjen in order to know for sure.

Cave

 

[Cave]

Hi Cave,
Welcome

And all others: thanx for welcoming me.

Ready to put in my 5 cents to support #FindArjen mission.

Cave

 

[Cave]

From how the fisher describes AKs belongings that has his ID and money, it seems like it is something similar to this: Outdoor Tactical Waist Belt Military Sports Genuine Leather Molle Zipper Bag Case For Iphone X 8 7 7plus 5 6s For S8 S8 Plus Note8 Wholesale Cell Phone Cases Designer Cell Phone Cases From Minifocus, $15.08| Dhgate.Com That is somthing that doesn't fall of so easily (if you fall in the water for example), you have to open the belt to take it off. Neither I do not feel the theory about "random robbery" fit when money still there.

I do own a similar type of belt bag/case. From experience I can tell you that this kind of belt bag is ideal for 'normal' use (like walking, hiking, city trips), but personally i would disengage/remove this bag when being in a kayak.
Reason: the bag is constantly 'in your way' when you sit in a kayak (see the confined space that you occupy when in a kayak), car (always in your way and in constant fight with your seatbelt insertion point) or similar activity.

For a more graphic explanation see a random kayak photo like the one below. Try to keep a bum bag or other belt bag strapped on is not convienent (and if it was a leather version, storing it in a watertight bag or container would be the preffered solution anyway).

So.. personally I am not surprised that there could be several feasible scenario's where a bearer of such a bag would (temporary) remove the bag from the belt.

(For male persons: considering to shift the bag to the front is generally not comfortable for obvious reasons ;-) , therefore in my opinion temporarily removing the bag from your belt is not per se 'suspicious')

Cave

 

[vlad]

Thanks. We hope that too. There are so many questions that we can't believe the scenario that now seems most likely.

Dear family of Arjen, would you like to share here what your most likely scenario is? Thank you

 

[worldwatcher]

I do own a similar type of belt bag/case. From experience I can tell you that this kind of belt bag is ideal for 'normal' use (like walking, hiking, city trips), but personally i would disengage/remove this bag when being in a kayak.
Reason: the bag is constantly 'in your way' when you sit in a kayak (see the confined space that you occupy when in a kayak), car (always in your way and in constant fight with your seatbelt insertion point) or similar activity.

For a more graphic explanation see a random kayak photo like the one below. Try to keep a bum bag or other belt bag strapped on is not convienent (and if it was a leather version, storing it in a watertight bag or container would be the preffered solution anyway).

So.. personally I am not surprised that there could be several feasible scenario's where a bearer of such a bag would (temporary) remove the bag from the belt.

(For male persons: considering to shift the bag to the front is generally not comfortable for obvious reasons ;-) , therefore in my opinion temporarily removing the bag from your belt is not per se 'suspicious')

Cave

Ok thank you for all this information and explaination,very heplful and needy (for me that is)

I do have a question .. well more then one..
It seems that Arjen had two phones,one for work and one private.some post I read suggested nokia phones instead of smart phones
Could he also have satellite phones?

And would you if you had so many expensive devices put that in a locker at the station when going kayaking?
Do you know...if the police or family check this for unclaimed items?

 

[Stizzi]

Ready to put in my 5 cents to support #FindArjen mission.

A really good mobile signal wrap up.
As I understand, there are two companies that, in Norway, offer access to mobile traffic to private individuals. I do not know which local company Arjen had, and if they have settled with the two Norwegian companies. When I turn on my cell phone, I think it first looks for available antennas and then separates this data so I get on that antenna, the most advantageous economic or signal quality. There is the possibility of triangulation. The coverage looks pretty good for both companies throughout the area, but I do not know so much about it.

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First there is the 20/8 cell tower that is the last reception for the Fauske area of any of the phones from Arjen.

Second there is the 30/8 cell tower reception where media reports that there is at least 1 (but possibly two) receptions for

This is also how I've seen it referenced, A signal in Fauske, and possibly more signals in Rogaland.

 

[worldwatcher]

If he did there must be a lockercard or key in the bumpbag

 

[Cave]

Ok thank you for all this information and explaination,very heplful and needy (for me that is)

I do have a question .. well more then one..
It seems that Arjen had two phones,one for work and one private.some post I read suggested nokia phones instead of smart phones
Could he also have satellite phones?

And would you if you had so many expensive devices put that in a locker at the station when going kayaking?
Do you know...if the police or family check this for unclaimed items?

Rognan Station does not have any lockers.
Fauske Station does have some.
I assume the police considered the possibility that he used a locker at Fauske station and police have checked those lockers for unclaimed occupied space?

In case Arjen would have wanted to still spent some time and wait for the night train, he would have seen that Rognan has no lockers, and could have travelled by train back towards Fauske (which would perfectly line up with a 20/8 22:00 cell tower reception event as what the police claims shows up in the records of the phone company.

He could have used the lockers to support the time between his arrival back in Fauske (22.00 hours) and the night train for Trondheim leaving.

PS: All last remarks are pure speculation, but scenario is feasible and backed by Fauske 20.8 22:00 transmission towards Fauske cell tower.

Cave

 

[Cave]

If he did there must be a lockercard or key in the bumpbag

We do not know if the lockers at Fauske station are of a type with key or with numberpad. Most lockers today are not keycard or key-operated nowadays.
Consider the fact that if you have lockers with keycards or keys, you will be faced (as is every hotel) with lost keys, lost keycards etc. Furthermore you would have to have system in place where people will 'receive' that keycard (physically) in order to use the locker...

So, no... most lockers (even the ones on swimming pools, airpoirts etc) all operate on a secret number base where most of the time you are able to set your own passowrd.

Can someone from the Fauske area check upon these lockers please?

Cave

 

[ZaZara]

Rognan Station does not have any lockers.
Fauske Station does have some.
I assume the police considered the possibility that he used a locker at Fauske station and police have checked those lockers for unclaimed occupied space?

In case Arjen would have wanted to still spent some time and wait for the night train, he would have seen that Rognan has no lockers, and could have travelled by train back towards Fauske (which would perfectly line up with a 20/8 22:00 cell tower reception event as what the police claims shows up in the records of the phone company.

He could have used the lockers to support the time between his arrival back in Fauske (22.00 hours) and the night train for Trondheim leaving.

PS: All last remarks are pure speculation, but scenario is feasible and backed by Fauske 20.8 22:00 transmission towards Fauske cell tower.

Cave

Rognan station does have lockers.

See:

Rognan - Bane NOR

and click on the icon with the fork and the knife named Fasiliteter.

 

[Cave]

Rognan station does have lockers.

See:

Rognan - Bane NOR

and click on the icon with the fork and the knife named Fasiliteter.

You are right.. So media is wrong.
I think it could have to do with the difference between responsibility for bus/coach and train, but in that case: Police needs to check on lockers both in Rognan AND in Fauske.

Is there anyone from this forum who has a direct link to the investigation team of the police in order to ask for screening of lockers at both stations at once?

Cave

 

[worldwatcher]

You are right.. So media is wrong.
I think it could have to do with the difference between responsibility for bus/coach and train, but in that case: Police needs to check on lockers both in Rognan AND in Fauske.
Is there anyone from this forum who has a direct link to the investigation team of the police in order to ask for screening of lockers at both stations at once?

Cave

No sorry maybe @Lorrie can find out but I would certainly check both ,Norway police & the Dutch police and phone them instead of mailing..

 

[ZaZara]

You are right.. So media is wrong.
I think it could have to do with the difference between responsibility for bus/coach and train, but in that case: Police needs to check on lockers both in Rognan AND in Fauske.

Is there anyone from this forum who has a direct link to the investigation team of the police in order to ask for screening of lockers at both stations at once?

Cave

The strange thing is that on August 20, a possible witness in Rognan saw a man carrying luggage like Arjen's and looking like Arjen walking from the station, and later he would have seen that same man heading in the direction of the shore. Why would this man, if he was indeed Arjen Kamphuis, take all his luggage and not use the lockers? Does not make sense to bring your pijamas etc. when you plan to go out in a kayak.

Don't know about the lockers in Norway, but don't they give an indication after 3 days or if the time paid for has expired?

 

[Stizzi]

Without saying anything about the witness from TV2's credibility and the conditions they have been observed (darkness, distance, football match on television with friends etc). The first observation is probably the one that causes the police to name a particular train departure. The next one at about 20:00, he walks towards the slipway, with his luggage (as the witness saw when he was heading away from the main railway stations in Rognan towards the center). At about 21:00, he witnessed him again without luggage going against the slipway.
According to the current timetable runs the last train Ronan-Fauske at 20: 30-20: 46

 

[Lorrie]

The lockers normally in Norway and I think the ones at Fauske too have keys and you have to put change on.. If the time (normally 24 hours) have gone out it will blink that you have to put more money on, so it would be up to the company who owns the locker to check it out...

Why go back to Fauske when the train goes by Rognan? Fauske have only one hotel and two campsites so if you miss the train it is nowhere to go if they are booked.. The campsites is on each side of Fauske and you have to walk 3-4 km to get there. It would be easier to get some place to sleep at Rognan or up the valley...

 

[vlad]

https://www.an.no/arjen-kamphuis/fa...egget-ha-vart-arjen-kamphuis-mal/f/5-4-868581


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