NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #10

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CoolJ said:
There are hundreds of hours of BWC footage. Have you watched all of that?
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Probably not lol but I spent many hours watching all sorts of videos. I am just very frustrated that it seems everyone has moved on but I feel the investigation was a mess. I truly believe there was more going on. I just don’t know what that was.
 
Gone Girl said:
Probably not lol but I spent many hours watching all sorts of videos. I am just very frustrated that it seems everyone has moved on but I feel the investigation was a mess. I truly believe there was more going on. I just don’t know what that was.
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There was nothing wrong with the investigation. This case was pretty simple. The mass killer was in the hotel room when the shooting was going on. That is where he died. What else is there to investigate, other then conspiracy theories, which are a waste of time?
 
KaaBoom said:
There was nothing wrong with the investigation. This case was pretty simple. The mass killer was in the hotel room when the shooting was going on. That is where he died. What else is there to investigate, other then conspiracy theories, which are a waste of time?
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Thank you for your perspective. I respectfully disagree. Not everyone who believes the investigation was flawed believes in conspiracy theories, but I choose to respect and listen to all opinions.
 
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But KaaBoom, how much of the evidence have you looked at?

Hundreds of hours of BWC footage?
Hundreds of 911 calls?
The LVMPD final report?
 
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CoolJ said:
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But KaaBoom, how much of the evidence have you looked at?

Hundreds of hours of BWC footage?
Hundreds of 911 calls?
The LVMPD final report?
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Thanks. Yes, I have watched hundreds hours of video, though that is still a small amount. I have also listened I believe to all of the 911 calls, or at least almost all, and I have read the final report. The 911 calls and videos contain a lot of mass hysteria. So I take that into account. As to the reports of additional shooters, as far as I'm concerned, if no evidence was found to support those reports, they didn't happen. We know the killer was in the hotel room. There is plenty of evidence of that. There is no evidence of any other shooters at any other locations.
 
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KaaBoom said:
Thanks. Yes, I have watched hundreds hours of video, though that is still a small amount. I have also listened I believe to all of the 911 calls, or at least almost all, and I have read the final report. The 911 calls and videos contain a lot of mass hysteria. So I take that into account. As to the reports of additional shooters, as far as I'm concerned, if no evidence was found to support those reports, they didn't happen. We know the killer was in the hotel room. There is plenty of evidence of that. There is no evidence of any other shooters at any other locations.
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Understood, but i disagree. There are numerous witnesses who report shots fired at other locations. Strong and reliable IMO, witness reports.
What it means I do not not know. These witnesses were not reporting on mass hysteria, they heard gun shots long after the original shooting.
Either they are all conspiring to lie or there is something to it.
 
CoolJ said:
Understood, but i disagree. There are numerous witnesses who report shots fired at other locations. Strong and reliable IMO, witness reports.
What it means I do not not know. These witnesses were not reporting on mass hysteria, they heard gun shots long after the original shooting.
Either they are all conspiring to lie or there is something to it.
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The 911 calls were mass hysteria. Lots of people reporting shooting, but being unable to give any details. It was just a lot of people freaking out. If there were other shooters, there would have been physical evidence, bullet casings, bullet holes, gunshot victims, etc. There was none.
 
enelram said:
FBI wraps up investigation but NO Motive Uncovered.
Wonder what the study of his brain showed?
APNewsBreak: FBI finds no specific motive in Vegas shooting
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I saw it on Twitter and I remembered all the work we had done here and I felt grateful, we did all go through that trojan work because it left us with a clearer idea of what the questions were. So many remain unanswered, still, I'll refrain from an autopsy, but we got closer than most.
I remember a lot of friction and it took on almost the dynamic of the event itself... I often notice this during quests to solve the cruelty of murder....almost as if we are required to engage with the dynamic itself to attain catharsis. And the real fight is against injustice itself, the injustice of the slaughter of the innocents.
My memory is dreadful but I know a lot more about Paddock than what is mentioned in every formal report.
They certainly took long enough to come up with a verdict that could have been reached in 5 minutes.

That's all I'll say. Rant over. I don't know...
 
I wonder what has been kept secret. Why no word from anyone that was there? And the security guard? Ahh. No matter. It's all done now, and we will not hear anymore about it. Still remains mysterious to me.
 
A trial date has been reset for a 56-year-old Arizona man facing a federal ammunition-manufacturing charge in Las Vegas in connection with the deadliest mass shooting in the nation's modern history.

Douglas Haig denies he illegally made armor-piercing and incendiary bullets found in a high-rise hotel room where the shooter staged the attack before killing himself.

Haig's attorney and prosecutors confirmed Wednesday the trial was pushed back from March 11 to Aug. 12 to accommodate attorney and U.S. District Court schedules.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...ck-for-man-who-sold-ammo-to-las-vegas-shooter
 
Betty P said:
Also really disappointed to learn from Doug that most hotels haven't made many security changes post 911 to prevent mass shooters, etc. from gaining access. Sometimes the "market" isn't capable of correcting these problems.
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On article I read said that casinos have greatly reduced the number of armed guards they employ due to liability fears resulting from a guard mis-using a weapon. As a result, casinos now have pretty much the same emergency plan as malls- call 911.
 
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Lucyray said:
They closed up the investigation. I'm surprised, but then again not. All so very convenient. A bit like MH370. :(
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I believe that the wife knew more. And I don't think that this was random, I also believe that there may have been a warning, due to the various active shooter trainings that occurred just prior to the incident.
 
I don't understand how there is only one shooter in the hotel room. If you listen to the air traffic control from that night, they shut down Runways 19L and 19R because of active shooters on the runway. "There's active shooters on the runway" "The 19s are closed, we are in the process of trying to round them up. They're on the airport property."
 
Haven't been reading this but did he sell it to the shooter illegally or something? I mean I wouldn't think he knew what the shooter was going to do with it.
 
I watched a Nightline special on this. I watched on hulu. It was good! Had footage from the body came we hadn't seen before.... them clearing the floors before they went to breech his room. Also showed how scary it is when you are in it. In hindsight, we know there wasn't a bomb. But, they thought the cart was a booby trapped bomb. Understandable! Even showed footage of the security guard and maintenance going to that floor. And alllll the trips he made in with luggage. No way he was set up. He brought all those guns in on multiple days, himself.
 
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