NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

[human]

Well, the presser was pretty pointless. Contradicted items that had been put out earlier; contradicted media reports from fairly reputable sources... Strange, to say the least.

I cannot see it. Anything you could share?

 

[bluesneakers]

THe "maybe" is what's killing me.......people generally know that they have been rejected. She must have known that when she packed up her life and left.

He is such a weirdo who knows what kind of communicator he was. Maybe she wasn't sure it was over-over.

 

[m00c0w]

I cannot see it. Anything you could share?

Essentially no new information. New guy was giving it, the undersheriff. He talked around or said he "wasn't aware of" whatever most questions were about. Highlights I remember off the top of my head:

-The woman's car was found when they executed the search warrant on their Reno house, but due to a "miscommunication", a bolo went out anyway
-He is not aware of any video found in the room relating to the motives of the shooter (the way the question was asked made it seem as if the reporter knew something and was prodding)
-He is not aware of someone other than SP having been in his room
-He is not aware of someone entering his room while his car was missing from the garage
-Tannerite was both mixed and unmixed; when asked if it was potentially being used as an IED, his response was "It was in the state it was" (more or less) and moved on...
-If you've seen something in the last days, weeks, years, say something.

 

[Gardenista]

Here is a link to watch the PC. Looks like it starts 8 or so minutes in

https://www.facebook.com/pg/KTNVLasVegas/posts/?ref=page_internal

 

[EntreNous]

I doubt it. The casinos are watching every nook & cranny always. Not only are there cameras, there's security everywhere dressed in business attire.

 

[Mellowmelly]

It is so difficult to fathom a motive behind horrific and evil acts.

Seems to me that this monster's lifelong "goal" or "dream" was to murder as many people as he possibly could in a short period of time. The fact that he purchased 33 firearms (mostly rifles) in 2016 looks to me as if he had decided to go ahead with his "plan" then. Who knows how long he has planned this horrific event?

For us, the average person has goals - sometimes long term to be able to retire somewhat comfortably and to be living nearby family members we love. This is my long time goal or "dream".

That is the opposite of what serial killers' goals are. We can't, in my opinion, think like that because we are not wired to think that way.

I've been reading quite a bit about research concerning frontal lobes appearing different in serial killers' brains than the average person.

If anyone is interested in reading this article - it is a good discussion not only about research of brains of serial killers but a talk about how to intervene, if there is a possibility, with younger people who are exhibiting signs of great violence.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128339306

I agree, normal people can't think like psychopaths/killers and there could be more than one influence that made him do what he did. I think something definitely did trigger him off though and like you said he could have been planning this since last year or even longer ago than that.
What you said about thier frontal lobes being different to those of normal people is interesting, it makes me question if some people are just born more predisposed to become psychopaths or If it is completely down to nurturing.
Perhaps we will never know what triggered him but I was also thinking if he was planning this from last year , it would co incide with Donald Trump coming into power. I could be totally off the mark but if he could of had a political agenda.

 

[enelram]

I still wonder if SP wasn't in the beginning stages of something like Lew Body Dementia- some of his symptoms and
erratic behaviors would certainly fit.
One of first symptoms noticed by the caretaker (gf) is sleep problems, hallucinations, mood changes, acting out their dreams, behavioral changes.
this could be what MD witnessed when he was moaning and screaming in bed.
With LBD, depression is common. Physical, cognitive and behavioral changes occur and onset is rapid and acute.
Interestingly benzodiazepine is to be avoided as it can cause acute confusion, delusions and hallucinations.
Caretakers will also notice REM sleep disorder, with violent movements.
Rapid onset with rapid cognitive and physical decline in first few months.

Maybe SP knew something was going on within his brain and body. Anger and depression took over.
Would certainly explain the rapid mental decline.
If anyone wants to read more, this disease is fascinating.
If I were a gambler, this is where I'd put my money on a diagnosis.
I believe robin Williams was diagnosed upon autopsy of LBD.

 

[dizzychick]

Do you thnk it was a 2017? They got it in 2017 but is it new?

it couldnt be and the articles all say a 2017, it had to be a high very high mile demo maybe? or trade in is all I can think, funny how some rich people are cheap, like it was with his hookers lol

 

[monster12]

or he picked up all the chargers and that was the wrong one, my hubby has done that one time too many

Right! Or for his cameras? Not sure if they plugged in or were charged like a go-pro. I hate when I have to charge my portable battery or camera because I can never find the correct cord.... it could be a number of things or have no significance at all.


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[EntreNous]

My apologies if this has already been posted. Did SP book 2 rooms in a hotel in Chicago in July adjacent to Lolapalooza?

http://wgntv.com/2017/10/05/las-vegas-gunman-booked-hotel-overlooking-lollapalooza-report-says/

 

[Mellowmelly]

I still wonder if SP wasn't in the beginning stages of something like Lew Body Dementia- some of his symptoms and
erratic behaviors would certainly fit.
One of first symptoms noticed by the caretaker (gf) is sleep problems, hallucinations, mood changes, acting out their dreams, behavioral changes.
this could be what MD witnessed when he was moaning and screaming in bed.
With LBD, depression is common. Physical, cognitive and behavioral changes occur and onset is rapid and acute.
Interestingly benzodiazepine is to be avoided as it can cause acute confusion, delusions and hallucinations.
Caretakers will also notice REM sleep disorder, with violent movements.
Rapid onset with rapid cognitive and physical decline in first few months.

Maybe SP knew something was going on within his brain and body. Anger and depression took over.
Would certainly explain the rapid mental decline.
If anyone wants to read more, this disease is fascinating.
If I were a gambler, this is where I'd put my money on a diagnosis.
I believe robin Williams was diagnosed upon autopsy of LBD.

That is interesting, and quite shocking how an illness can change someone's personality so drastically.
I hope they examine his brain during autopsy, if they do one.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Do you thnk it was a 2017? They got it in 2017 but is it new?

-I’m going to say...SP to MD:
“I found a cheap car for you. Its a new 2017 model. I will check out some places that sell real cheap engines on the side so you can start driving it”

 

[dotr]

CNN

Colleagues of Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Officer Charleston Hartfield hold candles during a vigil for Hartfield at Police Memorial Park on October 5, 2017.

 

[enelram]

That is interesting, and quite shocking how an illness can change someone's personality so drastically.
I hope they examine his brain during autopsy, if they do one.

I had a friend who's husband had this and his decline was very quick, like weekly noticeable changes. And her husband was a highly educated, smart, capable man and she said the way he went downhill mentally at first was
unbelievable. In the beginning she said he would get so upset and angry because he realized something serious
was happening to him and it was out of his control to fix it. Could be wh SP sent MD away, if he knew he was sliding
downhill.
Apparently if not in a controlled environment, the person with LBD acts upon their violent dreams and delusional
hallucinations. Scarey to think these people are out there in society everyday.

 

[Gooddeeds]

That is interesting, and quite shocking how an illness can change someone's personality so drastically.
I hope they examine his brain during autopsy, if they do one.

-Maybe a dumb inquiry...
Is there any reason why brains that are donated to science/research would be turned away? I have no idea if they are or are not but I wish that these types were on the ‘must or priority research list.

 

[verbonica]

I still wonder if SP wasn't in the beginning stages of something like Lew Body Dementia- some of his symptoms and
erratic behaviors would certainly fit.
One of first symptoms noticed by the caretaker (gf) is sleep problems, hallucinations, mood changes, acting out their dreams, behavioral changes.
this could be what MD witnessed when he was moaning and screaming in bed.
With LBD, depression is common. Physical, cognitive and behavioral changes occur and onset is rapid and acute.
Interestingly benzodiazepine is to be avoided as it can cause acute confusion, delusions and hallucinations.
Caretakers will also notice REM sleep disorder, with violent movements.
Rapid onset with rapid cognitive and physical decline in first few months.

Maybe SP knew something was going on within his brain and body. Anger and depression took over.
Would certainly explain the rapid mental decline.
If anyone wants to read more, this disease is fascinating.
If I were a gambler, this is where I'd put my money on a diagnosis.
I believe robin Williams was diagnosed upon autopsy of LBD.

Interesting. Would such a person with this disease be able to pull off such precise, intricate, seeming long-range planning and carry it all out if they were easily confused and befuddled?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

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JMO though

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[Deleted member 158085]

The valium someone mentioned. It was stated it was 10mg tablets of Valium. This is a high dose IMO. As a nurse, I only gave 10mg of Valium via an injection to a patient who had seizures. I've commonly seen it given in 2mg dosage. I've seen it given when someone has esophageal spasms, often seen with cancer patients, or after their cancer surgery. Even then, 5 mg was initially given, then lowered to 2mg.

It eases muscle spasms, as well anxiety. I just don't know why a doctor would prescribe 10mg dosage if smaller dosages hadn't been tried first....

Another odd thing about this case...among many others

I have never used Valium but I have used other drugs in this class and I thought the same thing, that it seemed like a very high dose.

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[meanmaryjean]

I have never used Valium but I have used other drugs in this class and I thought the same thing, that it seemed like a very high dose.

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Sometimes, in an effort to save the patient some money, doctors will prescribe a higher dose with the understanding that the patient will cut the table in half. My husband has had this with his cholesterol and BP meds. And Valium is an easily cut tablet. Just a thought...

 

[Mellowmelly]

I still wonder if SP wasn't in the beginning stages of something like Lew Body Dementia- some of his symptoms and
erratic behaviors would certainly fit.
One of first symptoms noticed by the caretaker (gf) is sleep problems, hallucinations, mood changes, acting out their dreams, behavioral changes.
this could be what MD witnessed when he was moaning and screaming in bed.
With LBD, depression is common. Physical, cognitive and behavioral changes occur and onset is rapid and acute.
Interestingly benzodiazepine is to be avoided as it can cause acute confusion, delusions and hallucinations.
Caretakers will also notice REM sleep disorder, with violent movements.
Rapid onset with rapid cognitive and physical decline in first few months.

Maybe SP knew something was going on within his brain and body. Anger and depression took over.
Would certainly explain the rapid mental decline.
If anyone wants to read more, this disease is fascinating.
If I were a gambler, this is where I'd put my money on a diagnosis.
I believe robin Williams was diagnosed upon autopsy of LBD.

-Maybe a dumb inquiry...
Is there any reason why brains that are donated to science/research would be turned away? I have no idea if they are or are not but I wish that these types were on the ‘must or priority research list.

I agree, they should be top priority