NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[Gooddeeds]

This is a third of a month in.

This is not like waiting for lab results

This is a basic and simple and concrete and finite fact.

A basic one.

The notion that the security guard that is I shall guess is home recuperating and has not heard that the entire sequence of events is off makes no sense.

Would you not call someone and clear it up the minute you heard that what was being reported was not what you experienced?

The guard was there - how could he not know the sequence was wrong??

-Precisely! The guard is the Starter. He is the timeline defined by his encounter.

 

[kittythehare]

But........................................ in his testimony ( I tried to find the whole thing --79 pages- that would be amazing to read how he talks and processes the world around him !)

he also reports that he has on occasion gambled a million dollars in one sitting ..........................

Should be open file.. heres the dates, IF this is accurate http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...at-led-to-legal-battle-released-a7980921.html

 

[ohreally]

Could it be that the security guard stayed on the floor till help arrived to secure the floor the best he could. IMO he may of stayed on the floor in case someone was coming out of their room he could tell them to go back into their room. If someone other than police tried to get off the elevator he could stop them from entering the floor the shooter was on.

 

[jjenny]

Could it be that the security guard stayed on the floor till help arrived to secure the floor the best he could. IMO he may of stayed on the floor in case someone was coming out of their room he could tell them to go back into their room. If someone other than police tried to get off the elevator he could stop them from entering the floor the shooter was on.

I really don't know what guard was doing, but shouldn't police have been informed immediately that a guard was shot? 18 minutes is a long time when we are talking about mass shooting.

 

[CARIIS]

No need to apologize. But thank you for the gesture. What blows my mind the most, (and this is not directed at you personally) is that people are up in arms about the possibility of mental illness, Despite links to journal articles regarding the exploration of the possibility, and the fact that authorities came out this very weekend and literally cited that they think he had severe diagnosed mental illness, some remain totally resistant . (Again not you personally) At the same time, the same people are literally salivating over innuendo and thirst to inject conspiracy theories at every turn. Although conspiracy theories are the very antithesis of facts and the pursuit of truth. .

For me, the recent changes in the story are reflective of an ongoing investigation and a lack of chaotic 24/7 reporting which took place during and directly after the actual event, In other words, the dust is settling and the facts are rising to the top.

Some, insist that this is somehow nefarious. I will never understand the complete lack of demand of actual fact in the face of conspiracy theories and the investment in them to begin with. The facts have changed. Does it look good? No. Do I have a million questions. Yes. Is it an automatic validation of paranoid conspiracies. Absolutely not. The very same people will insist that those critical of conspiracy theories are trying to "mold a narrative", when in reality, it would appear that it is the other way around.

The mind boggles. JMO.

Thanks for your thoughts and words.

jmo

I too, not only in this event , have noticed on tv that it seems in events like this there is some resistance to mental illness.

I think some people feel as if it might be an attempt for them to get off if alive , or that
folks who believe it is a valid notion for the why part - that some are excusing the behaviors.

jmo

 

[human]

I wonder why a casino would give all of those perks to him. If he was winning all of the time, that means the casino was losing. Even if gambled huge amounts of money, what does it matter if he is winning?

 

[CARIIS]

Have early pressers on in background

As far as ones license plate goes does it have the color of the vehicle in their systems

He was able to give out make and model but on both unable to do color of vehicles??

He stated he does not know the colors of either vehicle??

 

[MsFacetious]

If this is true there is zero doubt that 58 deaths could have been prevented.
That was more than enough time for the guard to radio in and say: "guy just shot me out of room 135 and it was near automatic gun fire!"
The cops could have engaged him through the door while waiting for SWAT and he likely wouldn't have ever shot out the window.
Wow. If I was a relative of a victim I would be in complete shock at this revelation.

 

[ohreally]

It does seem like a long time. Do we know the time the hotel security notified the Vegas police? If there was a delay whose part was it on?

 

[MsFacetious]

Aircraft regulations would not have prevented him from taking off at McCarren right next to the festival, and just banking into a crowd of people. Your other two points don't make a lot of sense. The Nice attacker in France killed more than this guy with just a box truck. His explosives were in his car, in this instance. But if he did not have access to guns, he could have used the explosives in a different location, just like you made the nunchuck analogy. My point is that even if he was restricted from buying any of these firearms at all, he still had multiple methods at his disposal of killing just as many, if not more.

After we heard about the amount of explosives in the car... it made me grateful he didn't crash a plane into the crowd with the explosives on board.

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder why a casino would give all of those perks to him. If he was winning all of the time, that means the casino was losing. Even if gambled huge amounts of money, what does it matter if he is winning?

I have thought the same thing on more than one occasion ha !

Sure come take our money and we will pay for you to do it !!!

 

[ohreally]

I wonder why a casino would give all of those perks to him. If he was winning all of the time, that means the casino was losing. Even if gambled huge amounts of money, what does it matter if he is winning?

Casinos give the perks on the amount of money you put into the machine not how much you win.

 

[HMSHood]

Could it be that the security guard stayed on the floor till help arrived to secure the floor the best he could. IMO he may of stayed on the floor in case someone was coming out of their room he could tell them to go back into their room. If someone other than police tried to get off the elevator he could stop them from entering the floor the shooter was on.

Considering the security guard was shot, he did not bleed to death.

 

[MistyWaters]

"Even as Paddock began firing on the crowd — shooting for 10 minutes — police did not know that the security guard was shot until they arrived on the hotel’s 32nd floor, Lombardo said. Campos alerted hotel security of the situation, Lombardo said, but police hunting for the gunman were not aware of the shots fired at the guard."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-massacre-police-say/?utm_term=.f3a716efacdf

"After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

No communication between LE and hotel security, even after the place began swarming with officers? That's difficult to comprehend.

And what of the maintenance worker? What time did he appear on the scene? Maybe it was he who tossed a spanner in the works by objecting to the publicly released timeline???

It certainly seems to me Mandalay Bay much preferred the earlier "security guard hero" scenario as opposed to the unanswered questions the new information now raises.

 

[rsd1200]

Interesting stuff.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/09/vegas-killer-stephen-paddock-liked-rough-sex

 

[kittythehare]

It does seem like a long time. Do we know the time the hotel security notified the Vegas police? If there was a delay whose part was it on?

time published in several media outlets, links on thread or just google for timeline of events.. you will get many conflicting stories.
it was reported that police were notified immediately, by hotel... i dunno..
the biggie is motive. only that.
here appears to be none.. apologies for typos, have many cats on my typing finger..

 

[Spice]

jmo

I too, not only in this event , have noticed on tv that it seems in events like this there is some resistance to mental illness.

I think some people feel as if it might be an attempt for them to get off if alive , or that
folks who believe it is a valid notion for the why part - that some are excusing the behaviors.

jmo

I believe that these are the reasons for the massive defensiveness when MI is brought up. I also believe it just scares us and makes us feel vulnerable when people can hide in plain sight like this. We just cannot fathom that their pathology would not be on full and obvious display as some sort of overtly obvious warning. It just doesn't work like that. And people do not have to fit stereotypical narratives or ideas about the mentally ill to be actually mentally ill.


I think the most prevalent reason for all of the resistance and push back surrounds the overall stigma and misunderstanding of mental illness, how common it is, It's presence in the overall human condition and its complexity escapes people. The stigma is REAL. It leads to resistance in so many ways.

 

[TXNurse77]

What would someone do if they were shot in the leg by a person? I bet it hurt. I bet he was freaked out. Where do you hide in a hotel hallway?

The 60 Minutes interview said he crawled into an alcove near another door to take cover...


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[CARIIS]

It does seem like a long time. Do we know the time the hotel security notified the Vegas police? If there was a delay whose part was it on?

For some reason the timeline has always been based on the sec guard.


Peculiar -- one would think out of 20 000 people being assaulted by a machine gun a call would have been made to 911

to advise LE jmo

He used the term medications

I dont know where the note and trajectory stuff came from but he backed off it tonight ?

He said the drilling had not been completed they said the exit was blocked by something screwed to the door -- you drill screews which is it

the swat team said they had to use a tool

He also stated he was "injured" prior to shooting

I did not care for him from day one he is rude imo

and there is something either slow about him or he is being careful -- he has more than once gotten very agitated if questions are too long , or have more than one element in them or coming at him too fast.

moo

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

Color me confused [emoji37]
There is SO much that is not making ANY sense.
He was OVER armed for what he did. I'm guessing he was hoping for exploding jet fuel tanks and had his vehicle rigged for an Oklahoma type explosion, that possibly could have taken down an entire parking deck.
Someone entering his room while he was allegedly at his vehicle. Surely there are cameras in the elevators!
I gotta agree.
HE HAD HELP!
HE PLANNED TO WALK AWAY and not get caught.

IMO the security guard foiled his plan. I imagine this forced his hand to fast forward the timeline which resulted in his not achieving the amount of destruction he had hoped for.
This killer who "doesn't do sunlight " yet took 20 cruises?
I even wonder if he ever took any of the Valium he was prescribed. I find it more likely that he gave it to unsuspecting women to carry out his sexual fantasies on them.
He was a monster no doubt!
I pray that he is indeed dead!
To think he was living under the radar for so long is terrifying! What else has he gotten away with???

MOO

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