NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

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For some reason the timeline has always been based on the sec guard moo

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Because he was apparently the first to have contact and the first to be shot by the shooter. I don't think that it is peculiar that the timeline would start with him.
 
Last night, the guys who stormed the room said they had to pop open the stairwell door with a pry bar to access that floor, but Lombardo says they took the elevator.

Police officers who rushed to the hotel room when the shooting began didn't know a hotel security guard had been shot "until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator," Lombardo said.

http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html
 
Humm

his word choice injuried prior to mass shooting I wonder if he was bleeding and started to get weak and did not want to pass out and figured he better kill himself before anyone comes

Obviously they would know where the other injuy was ??

The female reporter he rudely cut off sounded as if she was asking about the valet and something the FBI had said -- did anyone hear the question

He has quieted the FBI dude
 
Color me confused [emoji37]

This killer who "doesn't do sunlight " yet took 20 cruises?

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Cruises have casinos on them... I’ve cruised and there are some folks who spend all the at sea time at the tables.... personally, I prefer the sunshine to the smoke-filled rooms!


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Feel like msm is really giving the lvpd a pass here. Do you think they have told msm hey we need you guys to back off? We know this looks bad but give us some time? On face this is the biggest news to come out of the aftermath

I just watched FOX news to see what was being said, literally spent 30 seconds saying the timeline had changed, shooter did mass shooting after shooting security guard and then...... went to another story!! I was screaming at the tv. So I switched to CBS, HLN, and now watching MSNBC and NONE HAVE MENTIONED IT!
 
Anderson Cooper, CNN now talking about this
 
Last night, the guys who stormed the room said they had to pop open the stairwell door with a pry bar to access that floor, but Lombardo says they took the elevator.

Police officers who rushed to the hotel room when the shooting began didn't know a hotel security guard had been shot "until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator," Lombardo said.

http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

2 cops did come up via elevator to see if they could pinpoint where noise was coming from. SWAT came up the stairwell.
 
“There was a *reason* for the delay, Lombardo said. Officers actually reached Paddock's hotel room door on the 32nd floor within 12 minutes of the first shots being fired, "which is phenomenal," the sheriff said.

What did he say the *reason was?

Within 12 minutes of shots being fired, and how long were they saying the shots went on for? Because if this 12 minutes is to believed, the shooting was happening while cops were in the building.....

Still doesn't add up.

CNN talking about Kevlar or something vests....and different types of vests...no idea.

One of these talking heads saying it was just 300 something seconds difference in timeline, doesn't change timeline, not a big deal, police just trying to rush to tell public and didn't have all the facts, etc, etc, etc

Both men, and the woman and Anderson Cooper all just taking it in stride, not a big deal.... not adding up!
 
I believe that these are the reasons for the massive defensiveness when MI is brought up. I also believe it just scares us and makes us feel vulnerable when people can hide in plain sight like this. We just cannot fathom that their pathology would not be on full and obvious display as some sort of overtly obvious warning. It just doesn't work like that. And people do not have to fit stereotypical narratives or ideas about the mentally ill to be actually mentally ill.


I think the most prevalent reason for all of the resistance and push back surrounds the overall stigma and misunderstanding of mental illness, how common it is, It's presence in the overall human condition and its complexity escapes people. The stigma is REAL. It leads to resistance in so many ways.
The 'defensiveness' is based on there being no actual evidence or history of known psychiatric problems.
There is also an aspect of white Americans automatically being cast as mentally ill whenever they commit an outrageous act, a Muslim/alleged/Daesh /AlQ carrying out similar act is automatically called a terrorist and the act an act of terrorism.
In fact any major attack on humanity is blamed first on Islam.. before the facts emerge. They were in this case too. Islamophobia is rampant.
My resistance to a mental illness label on this
dude is that there is no evidence he had lost the plot.
From what we know so far.. he was determined, willful, focused, alert and highly efficient.
He was highly intelligent and his calculations had even included wind velocity.. thats serious precision.
Re the gambling 'addiction' diagnosis, can people not see that some people work at 'gambling'- to make a living.. its a mathematical exercise.. with known odds.. Its their job..no more intense than several hours spent accounting for a salary.
whereas we know he had 2 failed marriages we are not aware of why they failed..

I think, its more likely his addiction was sexual, if that was an addiction..

The most important point is his rationale for a mass killing.
If not politically or personally motivated, then why?
what is the significance of the date October 1, 2017 for him? Add them, it comes to21=3..
What date did his father die?
any date in his life or in history that makes this significant?
Is there any evidence anywhere of his membership in any organisation at all?

This dour man..sometimes I get a feeling he had a deadline here, based on the alleged disintegration of his physical health.
the wSJ article, I posted earlier stated Sheriff was aware of medications but he did not elaborate on what they might have been..

I would be very interested in his autopsy blood tox screen, and general state of his body, possibly was terminal.. speculation..
I wonder if he ever met his father and the kinds of feelings he had about both his diagnosis and his treatment by LE.
 
I believe that these are the reasons for the massive defensiveness when MI is brought up. I also believe it just scares us and makes us feel vulnerable when people can hide in plain sight like this. We just cannot fathom that their pathology would not be on full and obvious display as some sort of overtly obvious warning. It just doesn't work like that. And people do not have to fit stereotypical narratives or ideas about the mentally ill to be actually mentally ill.


I think the most prevalent reason for all of the resistance and push back surrounds the overall stigma and misunderstanding of mental illness, how common it is, It's presence in the overall human condition and its complexity escapes people. The stigma is REAL. It leads to resistance in so many ways.

If we look at some of the beliefs a lot of time it goes back to if someone can do X they cant be mentally ill.

So it goes back to a very old notion that if one is not talking to clouds they are not mentally ill.

Very few severely mentally ill folks are psychotic or delusional, there is so much nuance to mental illness.

Its like any functionality = not mentally ill

There are many severely disturbed folks. imo. are that wildly bright , engaging. articulate, etc etc

moo
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...t-security-guard-before-mass-shooting/9034558
Updated 11 minutes ago

The Las Vegas gunman opened fire on a security guard six minutes before he rained down bullets on a crowd and killed 58 people, officials said, in a change to the timeline of the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history
"This individual purposely hid his actions leading up to this event, and it is difficult for us to find the answers," said Sheriff Lombardo, who said he was frustrated with the speed of the investigation.
"We believe he decided to take the lives he did and he had a very purposeful plan that he carried out."


Key points:


  • Security guard Jesus Campos was shot in the leg by Stephen Paddock, six minutes before he shot into the crowd
  • Police officers found Mr Campos when they arrived on the floor
  • Paddock also had protective gear in the hotel suite and explosives in his parked car
"In coordination with the FBI's behavioural analysis unit, a comprehensive picture is being drawn as to the suspect's mental state and currently we do not believe there is one particular event in the suspect's life for us to key on," Sheriff Lombardo said

Paddock apparently detected Mr Campos via surveillance cameras he set up outside his hotel suite.

Paddock shot the guard at 9:59pm (local time), Sheriff Lombardo said, shortly before raining down bullets on the Route 91 Harvest festival in an attack that began at 10:05pm and lasted 10 minutes.
 
2 cops did come up via elevator to see if they could pinpoint where noise was coming from. SWAT came up the stairwell.

I wasn't aware of that and I'd love to read about it. Can you please get me the link?
 
Within 12 minutes of shots being fired, and how long were they saying the shots went on for? Because if this 12 minutes is to believed, the shooting was happening while cops were in the building.....

Still doesn't add up.

CNN talking about Kevlar or something vests....and different types of vests...no idea.

One of these talking heads saying it was just 300 something seconds difference in timeline, doesn't change timeline, not a big deal, police just trying to rush to tell public and didn't have all the facts, etc, etc, etc

Both men, and the woman and Anderson Cooper all just taking it in stride, not a big deal.... not adding up!

Unbelievable.
 
Unbelievable.

I'd say. It's a huge difference in timeline and indicates security guard was shot 18 minutes before police made it to 32nd floor. That's a long time when we are talking about mass shooting.
 
But........................................ in his testimony ( I tried to find the whole thing --79 pages- that would be amazing to read how he talks and processes the world around him !)

he also reports that he has on occasion gambled a million dollars in one sitting ..........................

Is this it, CARISS? Whether he would be called an "addict" or not may be of dispute, he may have called it his "job". Either way, the way they've described his gambling, for all intents and purposes, it was taking the same toll on his mind, and, body. When he's sitting in front of a machine, in a casino, night after night, all night, drinking alcohol, even having his food delivered to his machine, and stressed out if he felt they weren't being snappy enough, then he'd sleep all day, live out of suitcases, not to mention the need to win, constantly cipherin' to beat those slots. If you win, you're up! If you lose, you're down. Even if he looked at it as an enjoyable job, after awhile, that Seratonin level isn't going to be there like it was at first and stress will creep in (Folks having heart issues are why there's defibrillators everywhere in LV).

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...w-about-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock.html

He gambled tens of thousands of dollars and indulged in the perks casinos offer top players — though he was not widely known among the most elite gamblers.
 
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60 minutes.
Likely a re post, but thought the link might be handy.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-ve...-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/
Officers Bitsko and Newton ran to the stairs. Detective Donaldson and a SWAT officer, Levi Hancock, did too. This ad-hoc group of officers didn't know what they would face, but they soon discovered Paddock had barricaded the stairwell door.

Las Vegas officers describe storming shooter Stephen Paddock's hotel room
Dave Newton: 'Cause he knew we'd be coming out that door to gain entry into his door. So he tried to barricade it as best he could. But thankfully Levi had-- a pry bar and was able to easily pop that door.

The K9 cops, the detective, and the SWAT officer were now a team.

Bill Whitaker: So essentially you became the SWAT team.

Dave Newton: Uh-huh (affirm)

Joshua Bitsko: Yes.

Matthew Donaldson: Pretty much.

[Police radio: You need to be careful of booby traps...are you coming up the stairwell of coming up the elevator.]

Bill Whitaker: I heard on the radio calls that they were telling you to watch out there could be booby-traps.
 
Casinos give the perks on the amount of money you put into the machine not how much you win.

Seems like stupid business to give perks to someone who wins. Why would they do,that?
 
Cruises have casinos on them... I’ve cruised and there are some folks who spend all the at sea time at the tables.... personally, I prefer the sunshine to the smoke-filled rooms!


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Can you smoke in casinos either on cruises or,in Vegas? The killer was sensitive to smells. Not to smoke?
 
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