NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[jjenny]

Nope. No way. The disease isn't conducive to violence of any kind. Have you ever had to interact with a diabetic person with low blood sugar?





[emoji202]MOO

I don't think you are following what I am saying.

 

[jjenny]

Assuming she is of sound mind, trusts authorities to contact them. The average law abiding citizen would not hesitate to call 911. What if she was an illegal immigrant/sex worker that did not trust authority?

But she didn't have any problems with telling a large crowd, which she was supposedly a part of, that they were going to die?

 

[jjenny]

I'm inclined to agree with you, although I am no psychologist. There could be many more crimes he has committed that are not known about by the authorities.
My only other theory is that he was suffering from some sort of psychosis or possible schizophrenia that has only recently manifested.
I'm just speculating though, I could be totally wrong !

It would be extremely unusual for schizophrenia to manifest in someone in their sixties.
http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm#

 

[m00c0w]

Maybe I'm stupid, but I really don't get this. Wouldn't this type of calculation only be useful if you're aiming at a stationary target?

Why would he need calculations like this when he was shooting hundreds (thousands?) of rounds into a crowd of more than 20,000 people with an automatic weapon?

He did shoot at fuel tanks at McCarren that were a considerable distance away. The crowd wasn’t his only target.

 

[margarita25]

No proof via media or LE right now, which is different than a hoax. We must wait to see if it's mentioned again in the investigation. Several witnesses seemed adamant it did indeed occur.

Just adding again, there are videos on YouTube for anyone interested in watching the video themselves (witness's direct account to reporter of the woman/couple, seems credible, moo)

 

[fred&edna]

He did shoot at fuel tanks at McCarren that were a considerable distance away. The crowd wasn’t his only target.

McCarran is about 2 miles away. I believe it was a closer/smaller terminal... maybe Atlantic Aviation (I posted a map in previous thread). Again, though... just my guess.

ETA: There's an overview in this article showing the fuel tanks to be approx 2000 ft from Paddocks "perch"


https://www.reviewjournal.com/local...ter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/


ETAdd Again... the tanks WERE owned by McCarran but were closer to the strip than McCarran's terminal (I think! lol)

 

[jjenny]

Just adding again, there are videos on YouTube for anyone interested in watching the video themselves (witness's direct account to reporter of the woman/couple, seems credible, moo)

There are also lots of hoaxes associated with this case. I am not sure how to determine credibility from you tube videos.

 

[margarita25]

There are also lots of hoaxes associated with this case. I am not sure how to determine credibility from you tube videos.

Agreed there's junk on the net, but, like I said, the video interview of the young lady speaking is there for anyone to watch and assess it's value/credibility for himself or herself.

 

[m00c0w]

McCarran is about 2 miles away. I believe it was a closer/smaller terminal... maybe Atlantic Aviation (I posted a map in previous thread). Again, though... just my guess.

ETA: There's an overview in this article showing the fuel tanks to be approx 2000 ft from Paddocks "perch"


https://www.reviewjournal.com/local...ter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/


ETAdd Again... the tanks WERE owned by McCarran but were closer to the strip than McCarran's terminal (I think! lol)

2 miles away? It’s like 2 blocks to the east of his hotel.

 

[rsd1200]

Bringing over

interesting stuff learned

Tid Bits/Nuance

Mr. Paddock, a former postal worker and tax auditor

is this first time we hear tax auditor?

Marilou Danley, told investigators that he seemed to be deteriorating in recent months both mentally and physically.

Dixie Gunworx in St. George, Utah. Chris Michel, the owner, said Mr. Paddock visited the store three times in January and February, making the 40-minute drive from Mesquite, Nev.

an hour and half drive to buy legal stuff?

that has to imo mean something or growing paranoia!!

From an early age, he focused on gaining complete control over his life

Paddock began buying and refurbishing properties in economically depressed areas around Los Angeles, teaching himself how to put in plumbing and install air-conditioning.

the late 1980s, “we had cash flow,” said Eric Paddock, who added that he had given his life savings to his older brother

two failed marriages, both short

arrogant, with a strong sense of superiority. People in his life bent to his will, even his mother and brother. He went out of his way for no one.

“He acted like everybody worked for him and that he was above others,” former executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa in Reno, where he saw Mr. Paddock frequently from 2012 to 2014.

Paddock wanted food while he was gambling, he wanted it immediately and would order with more than one server if the meal did not arrive quickly enough.
Mr. Weinreich said he would get irritated and “uppity about it.”

“I would liken him to a chess player: very analytical and a numbers guy...seemed to be working at a higher level mentally than most people I run into in gambling.”

he rented a hangar for $285 a month from 2007 through 2009. He also stored planes at the small airport in Henderson, Nev., from 2002 to 2010, an airport spokesman said, though it is not clear he ever lived at the local addresses to which they had been registered.

I dont know kinda sounds like he rented em out and then rented at profit to real plane owners!!

moo

brothers would fight over who would get the whole milk. Powdered milk, less tasty but cheaper, was the norm

neighborhood was working class,

took a science class with Mr. Paddock and remembered him as smart but with “a kind of irreverence. He didn’t always stay between the lines.”
He recalled a competition to build a bridge of balsa wood, without staples or glue. Mr. Paddock cheated, he said, using glue and extra wood.
“Everybody could see that he had cheated, but he just sort of laughed it off,” Mr. Alarcon said. “He had that funny quirky smile

First building he bought ( 30 units)

close to collage

those that are good at this

30-unit building at 1256 W. 29th Street

what would it cost in 1987 or now worth ??


they were excellent investments: Stephen Paddock more than doubled his money on his California holdings, which included at least six multifamily residences, according to property records. He made money in Texas, too. In 2012, he sold a 110-unit building in Mesquite, outside Dallas, for $8.3 million.
He was a good landlord. He kept the rents low, responded promptly to his tenants’ complaints, learned all their names and made sure they were happy.

starting to wonder if brother was telling truth!!!

installed his mother in a tidy house just behind the apartment complex in Mesquite, Tex.

During the riots in Los Angeles in the 1990s, he went to the roof of an apartment complex he owned in a flak jacket and armed with a gun, waiting for the rioters,


focused and astute when he made deals.
“He was a tough negotiator,” Mr. Franks said. “He wanted his price. His terms. He was a very savvy businessman.”

“He liked everyone doting on him.”

Paddock stayed in one Las Vegas hotel gambling for four months straight,

midlevel high roller, capable of losing $100,000 in one session, which could extend over several days

Mr. Paddock may have lost that amount at the Red Rock Casino in Las Vegas within the last few months.

His game, video poker, requires some skill. Players have to know the history of a particular machine. They can do that by reading a pay table, which tells them what each possible winning hand pays out.

One of the ways that video poker players get an advantage is to play casino promotions, which essentially pay out bonuses to winners,

knew the house advantage down to a tenth of a percent,

good standing with MGM Properties, the owner of the Mandalay and the Bellagio,

had a $100,000 credit limit, ( is that congruent I thought he spent 160,000 recently?

his 60th birthday, April 9, 2013, he flew to the Philippines on Japan Airlines and stayed for five days, according to a spokeswoman for the Philippine Bureau of Immigration. The family of Ms. Danley, his girlfriend, lived there and she was visiting the country at the time. The couple went again for his birthday the following year.

When he did appear at his Reno home, he could be curt. .....“Merry Christmas!” Mr. Paddock kept walking. “

when Mr. McKay tried to strike up a conversation with Mr. Paddock about Donald Trump during the election campaign, he got no response.
“Almost everyone has a reaction to Trump,

He always walked across the street and would never pass in front of our house.”

rarely saw a window or a door open at the house.

Mesquite, Nev., a retirement community of 18,000 people a....attracts golfers and gamblers

Mr. Paddock was a man who did not want to be seen.

Danley worked in Mesquite. She took a job booking sports bets----watching horse races

Mesquite

outfit : tight black skirts.

she attended morning mass--Ms. Danley dressed smartly and modestly, he said. She usually sat alone.






http://abcnews.go.com/US/portrait-emerging-las-vegas-shooter-man-descending-madness/story?id=50275427


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/u...ock-vegas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4e269b8a993f


https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...act=mrc&uact=8


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BBM

The gambling sessions, that could last over several days, has struck me, and the effects of being a Pathological Gambler. IANAD, but, he seems to be one. This was an interesting read, about the biological, psychiatric, and social effects of pathological gambling. I doubt it is a complete fit to SP, but it probably didn't help any other issues he had going on.

Pathological gamblers often report prolonged gambling sessions that can last anywhere from several hours up to two or three days straight, often without sleep or food. The impact of this kind of physical and emotional stress can be dramatic.

Winning, losing, and the arduous process of continuing to find ways to gamble can have a dramatic impact on mental health. Pathological gambling can directly trigger or worsen symptoms of depression, generalized anxiety, obsessions, and personality disorders.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004711/

 

[margarita25]

(My ex (the violent one) was a "professional gambler"...and I use this term loosely. More like "gambling addict", .)

 

[fred&edna]

2 miles away? It’s like 2 blocks to the east of his hotel.

Okay, forget what I said!

(Just seemed the terminal was farther away... in my mind, of course)

 

[bighairdontcare]

OH~~~I can speak to this issue~~right up my alley....LOL

Yes, any cash that is deposited for over $10k has to be documented. For example, if you went over to a local currency exchange and cashed a check for over $10k and wanted the cash, ie. not money order, western union etc. the cashier has a form they have to fill out with all of the pertinent information including identification. The IRS performs random audits at these establishments and banks to confirm they are compliant. I had to go for a Payday loan Operation out to California and confirm their stores were in compliance. If they suspect anything suspicious, they are to report it immediately. For example, Joe came in 5 days in a row requesting to cash a check for $15k each day. This would be reported. There is an IRS case where a woman in Iowa (I believe) was depositing her cash from her business and it caught the IRS's attention.

On a side note, I was wondering about the $369k cash that he purchased his house in Mesquite with. That type of transaction would aroused the IRS's attention as well and would have had to be reported too.

On a side note, if you went into a car dealership and paid $40k in cash for your new car, this also would have to be reported.

Hope that helps!

However, since he was a retired accountant , could he have possibly known ways to pay lump sums of cash (house), without raising suspicion ?


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[rsd1200]

Well then I guess my husband and I would trigger major alarms because when we go to AC and Vegas with a lot of cash and valuables, we sometimes prefer to not have strangers in our room when we are not there.

We've done the same and have never been to AC or Vegas. We go away, to get away, and truly don't need to have our bed made by the maid, or our room vacuumed daily, so there's a Do Not Disturb sign on our door for the large part of our stay. If we need anything we call for it or catch the maid in the hall. Also, as bears noted above, valuables.

 

[Kakidoll]

I call BS on Steve Wynn. I go to Vegas or anywhere, I keep my do not disturb sign ON my hotel door anytime I'm not there if I do not want my room done. And I don't have it done every day. I don't like people in my room either, when I'm not there. ESPECIALLY in Vegas and I have money around. I also leave the TV on. I've never been questioned, and I was just there a few months ago, 5 days, never had maid service, just exchanged towels when I wanted or saw them in the hall.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

“He went to work for the I.R.S. because he thought that’s where the money was, but it turned out the money wasn’t there,” the younger Mr. Paddock said. “He went to the aerospace industry but the money wasn’t there either. He went to real estate and that’s where the money was.”

Stephen Paddock began buying and refurbishing properties in economically depressed areas around Los Angeles, teaching himself how to put in plumbing and install air-conditioning. By the late 1980s, “we had cash flow,” said Eric Paddock, who added that he had given his life savings to his older brother to invest and eventually became a partner in his company, because “that’s the kind of guy he was. I knew he would succeed.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.amp.html

That news article is insightful. Great reporting.


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[Deleted member 158085]

No proof via media or LE right now, which is different than a hoax. We must wait to see if it's mentioned again in the investigation. Several witnesses seemed adamant it did indeed occur.

Link for several? I only saw that the Briana person claimed this.

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[EuTuCroquet?]

Not to be overly grim, but I imagine there wouldn't be much to study after he killed himself. The trauma would probably be massive.

Some interesting points and quandaries concerning violence and illness.
Although obvious, never thought examining a killer's brain would be limited if he was shot in the head.

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/brian-dickerson/2017/10/05/las-vegas-shooter/732590001/
Oct 5 2017
Brian Dickerson,

[emoji202]MOO

 

[human]

Assuming she is of sound mind, trusts authorities to contact them. The average law abiding citizen would not hesitate to call 911. What if she was an illegal immigrant/sex worker that did not trust authority?

Anonymous call

 

[human]

It would be extremely unusual for schizophrenia to manifest in someone in their sixties.
http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm#

He would be saying things and acting in a way that calls attention. No way to hide an elaborate plan