NV - Police fatally shoot man holding cell phone

[kimlynn]

Making a gesture? I think you mean point it at the police.

Why should police have to wait for a felon at large, who is advancing on them, to point a possible firearm at them first? If it was a gun he could have shot them.

The police did what they had to do protect themselves and the public.

JMO

You have a valid point if he was advancing toward them. I'm just not sure if that was the story to cover the mistaken cell for a weapon.
And we may never know. IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I wonder what he would've done if the officers hadn't shot?

That's the kajillion dollar question.

 

[bluesneakers]

They did not shoot on sight. They shot when he would not comply with their directives and they felt they were in danger. He was a desperate fugitive, a fleeing felon, who had jumped bail and run before sentencing, and they did not have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I was responding to your question:

Exactly what 'protections' does a violent CONVICTED criminal have, when he flees across two stAtes, and jumps bail, to try to escape his sentencing after being found guilty?

 

[RANCH]

That's why I think this was a suicide by cop scenario. He knew exactly what was going to happen, imo.

Could be. I don't see how he could think that he was going to get away.

 

[Tillicum]

You have a valid point if he was advancing toward them. I'm just not sure if that was the story to cover the mistaken cell for a weapon.
And we may never know. IMO

Even the neighbor boy heard them yell "freeze" twice.

 

[RANCH]

You have a valid point if he was advancing toward them. I'm just not sure if that was the story to cover the mistaken cell for a weapon.
And we may never know. IMO

I have no reason to think that the police are lying about the circumstances in this shooting.

 

[RANCH]

Even the neighbor boy heard them yell "freeze" twice.

And that corroborates the police account of the shooting. JMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

That's why I think this was a suicide by cop scenario. He knew exactly what was going to happen, imo.

My friend. Some people feel that their families will get millions if they are killed by cops.

So his actions could have been used to not only be a suicide by cop. But it could also have been used for a fighting chance for any family members to get something.

But in all honesty. We see 1000 people a day with a phone in hand. And we never thought that they had a gun in hand. Jmo

So I don't know since I wasn't there.

 

[kimlynn]

I have no reason to think that the police are lying about the circumstances in this shooting.

Hope springs eternal but I hope you're right. As I said we will probably never know if they are. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Seriously katy I'm aware of his past. The trial would have been the one for fleeing. LE can't shoot a person for a crime. We have the courts to handle that.
According to LE he was shot because they thought he had a weapon. IMO

But it is all tied together. It was not like a routine traffic stop where some one was shot because the cop thought a cell phone was a gun. This was a desperate, fleeing felon. That adds a sense of desperation and urgency to the suspects possible actions. the cops are going to be extra cautious because they know how desperate this CONVICTED felon is now. If they arrest him he goes to prison for a long time. So they shot him because given all they knew about him, jumping bail, running across state lines, fleeing the sentencing hearing, they figured it was highly possible he was going to shoot at them if possible. They said FREEZE several times, they asked to see what he was holding, and he refused.

So when you say he was shot 'because they thought he had a weapon', that is not wholly correct. He was shot because of the context of the entire situation. He was shot because they had to track him down after he fled. He was shot because he jumped bail and would not comply with their directives when they caught him. All of that goes in to their feelings that he might be holding a gun. He was not someone they pulled over for speeding and they saw a black object in their hand so they opened fire. There was way more to it that made it 'REASONABLE' that he might have a weapon and want to use it. JMO:moo:

 

[katydid23]

Hope springs eternal but I hope you're right. As I said we will probably never know if they are. IMO

There are witnesses who heard them say 'FREEZE…FREEZE!' And a long while took place before the shots according to the timeline, Correct? So wouldn't that say there was an interaction and not just a sudden shooting with no reason?

 

[RANCH]

My friend. Some people feel that their families will get millions if they are killed by cops.

So his actions could have been used to not only be a suicide by cop. But it could also have been used for a fighting chance for any family members to get something.

But in all honesty. We see 1000 people a day with a phone in hand. And we never thought that they had a gun in hand. Jmo

So I don't know since I wasn't there.

They didn't see a phone in his hand because he was concealing it. The police were only aware that he had something in his hand and they thought it was a gun.

'The suspect did not listen, quickly began to advance on the officers, concealing his right hand, which the officers believed was holding a firearm,' McCarthy said in a video message that accompanied the police statement.

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[bluesneakers]

There are witnesses who heard them say 'FREEZE…FREEZE!' And a long while took place before the shots according to the timeline, Correct? So wouldn't that say there was an interaction and not just a sudden shooting with no reason?

Did the witnesses say he didn't freeze when the officers gave the command?

 

[kimlynn]

But it is all tied together. It was not like a routine traffic stop where some one was shot because the cop thought a cell phone was a gun. This was a desperate, fleeing felon. That adds a sense of desperation and urgency to the suspects possible actions. the cops are going to be extra cautious because they know how desperate this CONVICTED felon is now. If they arrest him he goes to prison for a long time. So they shot him because given all they knew about him, jumping bail, running across state lines, fleeing the sentencing hearing, they figured it was highly possible he was going to shoot at them if possible. They said FREEZE several times, they asked to see what he was holding, and he refused.

So when you say he was shot 'because they thought he had a weapon', that is not wholly correct. He was shot because of the context of the entire situation. He was shot because they had to track him down after he fled. He was shot because he jumped bail and would not comply with their directives when they caught him. All of that goes in to their feelings that he might be holding a gun. He was not someone they pulled over for speeding and they saw a black object in their hand so they opened fire. There was way more to it that made it 'REASONABLE' that he might have a weapon and want to use it. JMO:moo:

Again you can't (and this includes LE) shoot a person for a past history of crimes. The courts are in place for a reason.
According to LE (via media )they shot due to the fear he was holding a gun.

 

[Tillicum]

Did the witnesses say he didn't freeze when the officers gave the command?

IMO if they had to say it more than once, he didn't.

 

[RANCH]

Again you can't (and this includes LE) shoot a person for a past history of crimes. The courts are in place for a reason.
According to LE (via media )they shot due to the fear he was holding a gun.

You left out the part that Childress was advancing on the officers also.

Seems aggressive to me. JMO

 

[kimlynn]

There are witnesses who heard them say 'FREEZE…FREEZE!' And a long while took place before the shots according to the timeline, Correct? So wouldn't that say there was an interaction and not just a sudden shooting with no reason?

I think the reason was they thought he had a gun. Correct?

 

[Willow Knight]

That's why I think this was a suicide by cop scenario. He knew exactly what was going to happen, imo.

I have my two year old grandson tonight so I'm reading these posts sporadically. This has been my thought all along. I believe he knew exactly what the outcome would be if he defied orders, use of lethal force. He had experience in crime. Many people read these public forums, and I want the officers to know I am sorry they were put in that position. I thank them for keeping a neighborhood safe. There is no way the officers could have known what was in the person's hand.

I want to thank them for their service, and am so happy they were able to go home that night.

 

[bluesneakers]

IMO if they had to say it more than once, he didn't.

You might be right, and if it's true it was either stupidity or suicide by cop. Maybe both.

 

[kimlynn]

You left out the part that Childress was advancing on the officers also.

Seems aggressive to me. JMO

I was responding to post 151. The poster was posting that he was shot due to his history and being a fleeing felon.