NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #13

[sbakker]

One other thing I want to point out here:

Anyone wanting to run drugs or conduct any other illegal activity in Vegas DOES NOT need to look for unsuspecting people in another state. There are plenty of folks right here in Vegas who need to make money. That's why the thought of someone "luring" Steven here has always seemed so ludicrous to me.

IF, Steven was into anything he shouldn't have been, it definitely would have started in St. George and, most likely, because of someone he knew.


I am just SUGGESTING a theory. And the person running drugs could certainly lived in Utah. i told a story several threads ago, about a friend in law enforcement, who told my husband and I about drug runners, and how they Do pick random, innocent,naieve, people to work for them. Telling people, they need furniture, office supplies, etc. delivered.

 

[Fairy1]

Three things:

The ping list does not appear to be a "tracker." It only offers hits when the phone make/receives a call/text. So in each case, you can assume the phone is getting a call or making a call when it pings off a tower. I don't know why it doesn't show his movements when the phone isn't in use, but it doesn't.

In some cases, there are several calls between tower pings (I don't have the doc at home, but I can give more details tomorrow), yet the phone doesn't show any tower info. For example: Call 1 from 555-1212 at 3:00 p.m. pings on the Whitney Ranch tower. Call 2 from 555-1213 at 3:05 p.m. has no tower info. Call 3 at 5 p.m. pings off I-515 and Russell tower. I believe there is no tower info because there is nothing new to report (it's pinging off the same tower). This is significant because, in my opinion, it means the phone hasn't moved. If this theory is correct, it means the phone sits at I-515 and Russell for several days before losing communication with the tower. (I should really have some of you LV WSer's come to my office to see the doc and know what I'm talking about...)

Finally, I do not believe he ran off with someone, or for that matter, walked away from his life. First, I cannot stress the remoteness of the neighborhood where he dumped his car. I used to live downtown and a dumped car could go days without being noticed, maybe weeks. Second, when looking at his email account, I believe he only thought about one thing: finding a job. I am not exaggerating when I say there are thousands of emails in his account, and 99% revolve around looking for work. Finally, despite what some believe, the family ties are very strong. Sure, he moved to St. George, but the drive isn't that big of a deal. I just don't see it.

So, what do you think did happen?

 

[RubyRed]

But why did he arrive in Vegas so many hours prior to such a meeting?

I think he went to SCA and drove by the home he was going to. Then trashed around somewhere else, till we see him at noon on video.

I would say that he wanted to make sure he wasn't late and wanted to scope it out before the actual meeting time.

That's just it, he drives,then parks, waits a few then walks confidently to where he is going. There is no hesitation. Had he just arrived in that neighborhood and had never been there, wouldn't he have turned onto EL and drove by the home he was going to and then parked? Yet he doesn't, which leads me to believe he checked it out earlier or he had been there before.

 

[Paulette]

Three things:

The ping list does not appear to be a "tracker." It only offers hits when the phone make/receives a call/text. So in each case, you can assume the phone is getting a call or making a call when it pings off a tower. I don't know why it doesn't show his movements when the phone isn't in use, but it doesn't.

In some cases, there are several calls between tower pings (I don't have the doc at home, but I can give more details tomorrow), yet the phone doesn't show any tower info. For example: Call 1 from 555-1212 at 3:00 p.m. pings on the Whitney Ranch tower. Call 2 from 555-1213 at 3:05 p.m. has no tower info. Call 3 at 5 p.m. pings off I-515 and Russell tower. I believe there is no tower info because there is nothing new to report (it's pinging off the same tower). This is significant because, in my opinion, it means the phone hasn't moved. If this theory is correct, it means the phone sits at I-515 and Russell for several days before losing communication with the tower. (I should really have some of you LV WSer's come to my office to see the doc and know what I'm talking about...)

Finally, I do not believe he ran off with someone, or for that matter, walked away from his life. First, I cannot stress the remoteness of the neighborhood where he dumped his car. I used to live downtown and a dumped car could go days without being noticed, maybe weeks. Second, when looking at his email account, I believe he only thought about one thing: finding a job. I am not exaggerating when I say there are thousands of emails in his account, and 99% revolve around looking for work. Finally, despite what some believe, the family ties are very strong. Sure, he moved to St. George, but the drive isn't that big of a deal. I just don't see it.

My 1st thought is Steven didn't abandon his car, there is no logincal reason to walk miles and miles to this Whitney Ranch area. Just because his phone is in this area doesn't mean Steven accompanied it.

 

[Paulette]

One other thing I want to point out here:

Anyone wanting to run drugs or conduct any other illegal activity in Vegas DOES NOT need to look for unsuspecting people in another state. There are plenty of folks right here in Vegas who need to make money. That's why the thought of someone "luring" Steven here has always seemed so ludicrous to me.

IF, Steven was into anything he shouldn't have been, it definitely would have started in St. George and, most likely, because of someone he knew.


I am just SUGGESTING a theory. And the person running drugs could certainly lived in Utah. i told a story several threads ago, about a friend in law enforcement, who told my husband and I about drug runners, and how they Do pick random, innocent,naieve, people to work for them. Telling people, they need furniture, office supplies, etc. delivered.

So that package we see under Steven's arm could be drugs or $$$. That makes sense.

 

[Fairy1]

I am just SUGGESTING a theory. And the person running drugs could certainly lived in Utah. i told a story several threads ago, about a friend in law enforcement, who told my husband and I about drug runners, and how they Do pick random, innocent,naieve, people to work for them. Telling people, they need furniture, office supplies, etc. delivered.

I'm no expert, but I think a So Utah drug runner would go north, not south. We don't need any drug runners from UT down here, we have plenty coming up from So Cal.

And, there are plenty of naive, innocent desperate people - and even LDS - right here in Vegas. Go by a Home Depot or Lowe's any early morning. No need to go looking for LDS boys up in St. George.

Also, I know TONS of people who drive back and forth to Utah and So Cal every single weekend. Recruiting seems completely unnecessary.

IMO

 

[RubyRed]

I don't think you can do that anymore. TSA looks for something on the driver's license that shows it's legitimate. If one has to present ID for the Greyhound, they have to verify it's legit.

I'm not trying to nit pick, but not everyone drives or has a license. They would have to use other forms of identification. And as recently as last December a woman used fake ID and boarded a bus from San Antonio, Texas to Florida. The Elizabeth Johnson/Gabriel Johnson case. So it does happen.

 

[sbakker]

I'm no expert, but I think a So Utah drug runner would go north, not south. We don't need any drug runners from UT down here, we have plenty coming up from So Cal.

And, there are plenty of naive, innocent desperate people - and even LDS - right here in Vegas. Go by a Home Depot or Lowe's any early morning. No need to go looking for LDS boys up in St. George.

Also, I know TONS of people who drive back and forth to Utah and So Cal every single weekend. Recruiting seems completely unnecessary.

IMO[/QUOTE

I am not a expert either. But if a drug runner lives in Utah, he might have business in several areas. You might not need runners from Utah, but that does not mean you don't. he might have partners in Las Vegas. He may be be running a legit business in Utah, and do this on the side. I am not a expert-but I know this happens.

 

[Paulette]

Maybe he was bringing something from the Ruby Valley drive. Maybe he went to Ruby Valley to pick it up. He supposedly left a church function and started driving. He put over a 1,000 miles on his car in 2 days. Wow!

The only thing I can think of that anyone in Las Vegas would want is $$$. And who better to trust than a Morman with a good background.

Now, who & why?

 

[Sin City]

In regard to a ping in the area of Sunset/Stephanie, as someone stated this is near Sunset Station Hotel & Casino....plus, one block from the Best Buy on Sunset & Marks.

Also, I live in old town Henderson, and I had no idea that Greyhound buses could be taken from this convenient store on N. Water St. I've only been in there a couple of times, as it creeps me out. There's usually some creepy people outside the building, or sitting inside cars. BTW this convenience store is across from the old TimeMet plant property, if anyone is familiar with that.

I cannot imagine SK finding this Greyhound location, nor walking to it from SCA.

The convenience store is right down the street from the Henderson Court House & Police Dept. And, from where the media event was held by SK's family. Did the family & PI miss this? Did Henderson Police Dept mention this Greyhound location to the family, or PI?

With this said, however, I will go speak with the clerk tomorrow to get some details regarding bus tickets, IDs, & leave a flyer. If you all think this would be a waste of my time please say so.

 

[rd_jfc]

Three things:

The ping list does not appear to be a "tracker." It only offers hits when the phone make/receives a call/text. So in each case, you can assume the phone is getting a call or making a call when it pings off a tower. I don't know why it doesn't show his movements when the phone isn't in use, but it doesn't.

In some cases, there are several calls between tower pings (I don't have the doc at home, but I can give more details tomorrow), yet the phone doesn't show any tower info. For example: Call 1 from 555-1212 at 3:00 p.m. pings on the Whitney Ranch tower. Call 2 from 555-1213 at 3:05 p.m. has no tower info. Call 3 at 5 p.m. pings off I-515 and Russell tower. I believe there is no tower info because there is nothing new to report (it's pinging off the same tower). This is significant because, in my opinion, it means the phone hasn't moved. If this theory is correct, it means the phone sits at I-515 and Russell for several days before losing communication with the tower. (I should really have some of you LV WSer's come to my office to see the doc and know what I'm talking about...)

Finally, I do not believe he ran off with someone, or for that matter, walked away from his life. First, I cannot stress the remoteness of the neighborhood where he dumped his car. I used to live downtown and a dumped car could go days without being noticed, maybe weeks. Second, when looking at his email account, I believe he only thought about one thing: finding a job. I am not exaggerating when I say there are thousands of emails in his account, and 99% revolve around looking for work. Finally, despite what some believe, the family ties are very strong. Sure, he moved to St. George, but the drive isn't that big of a deal. I just don't see it.

This is really critical stuff, jaxon (yet again). What email service did he use (yahoo, gmail, hotmail, something not web based?) As far as we know he could only email by going to a library because he is said to have no internet service at the rented place.

What was times of last few days of emails? This could say where he was in gaps. Without divulging personal info, means and methods, etc. etc., is this email stored on his laptop and therefore he did have internet service or a web based email account that he could access from anyplace like a library? Was he spending all his time in libraries? What about gaps such as Saturday or Sunday morning? Any emails?

The tracker pings are stored (or not stored at all) entirely differently than call data. There are permanent records for calls. Tracker data is kept based on various carrier policies as far as I can see from different cases. Lots of times it doesn't seem to be available. Other times it's a godsend. Storing locations with calls is just a different thing based on storing a call record for billing.

Concerning non-repetition of tower data, generally in programming we deliberately suppress repetition of data as it is hard for user to read. You'll only see when data changes or at the top of page when a page break. Not saying that's necessarily true here, but is often the case with reports.

So, I am wrong about battery running out Monday morning. Maybe. Check the data again if you could keeping in mind that no tower data means there is no tower data, that is, phone was off. That would be only incoming calls that went to voice mail. Several days at I515 and Russell tower with no tower data repeated would mean to me that battery had run out, there was no tower communications to report. But they do record calls going to voice mail in general, although I caught your point about it being inconsistent.

Too bad I don't live in LV area. Thanks jaxon.

rd

 

[swjaxon]

So, what do you think did happen?

I have no idea, but I believe a few things:

I do not believe he is still alive. I do not believe SCA was his final destination. I believe he was coming to LV/Henderson on something he believed to be work-related. I believe he expected to return to his car at some point. Beyond that, I don't know.

That said, I think for anyone to rule out anything, from suicide to walking away to murder, is shortsighted.

 

[RubyRed]

Three things:

The ping list does not appear to be a "tracker." It only offers hits when the phone make/receives a call/text. So in each case, you can assume the phone is getting a call or making a call when it pings off a tower. I don't know why it doesn't show his movements when the phone isn't in use, but it doesn't.

In some cases, there are several calls between tower pings (I don't have the doc at home, but I can give more details tomorrow), yet the phone doesn't show any tower info. For example: Call 1 from 555-1212 at 3:00 p.m. pings on the Whitney Ranch tower. Call 2 from 555-1213 at 3:05 p.m. has no tower info. Call 3 at 5 p.m. pings off I-515 and Russell tower. I believe there is no tower info because there is nothing new to report (it's pinging off the same tower). This is significant because, in my opinion, it means the phone hasn't moved. If this theory is correct, it means the phone sits at I-515 and Russell for several days before losing communication with the tower. (I should really have some of you LV WSer's come to my office to see the doc and know what I'm talking about...)

Finally, I do not believe he ran off with someone, or for that matter, walked away from his life. First, I cannot stress the remoteness of the neighborhood where he dumped his car. I used to live downtown and a dumped car could go days without being noticed, maybe weeks. Second, when looking at his email account, I believe he only thought about one thing: finding a job. I am not exaggerating when I say there are thousands of emails in his account, and 99% revolve around looking for work. Finally, despite what some believe, the family ties are very strong. Sure, he moved to St. George, but the drive isn't that big of a deal. I just don't see it.

bbm

I hope those in the LV area take you up on that. Thanks for all your help.

 

[Sin City]

Was the name of the real estate company or realtor released. The one that showed the property on Savannah Springs & was questioned by LE & said she didn't see Steven.

Does anyone know the address of this house or who had the listing?

We were told that the driver of the white SUV was the daughter of the home owner, and a real estate agent. Her name, nor the real estate company's name was released. The address is 2639 SS. One can find the current owner (since 1/7/2010), and the previous owner, RT, on the Clark County Assessor webpage.

 

[RubyRed]

In regard to a ping in the area of Sunset/Stephanie, as someone stated this is near Sunset Station Hotel & Casino....plus, one block from the Best Buy on Sunset & Marks.

Also, I live in old town Henderson, and I had no idea that Greyhound buses could be taken from this convenient store on N. Water St. I've only been in there a couple of times, as it creeps me out. There's usually some creepy people outside the building, or sitting inside cars. BTW this convenience store is across from the old TimeMet plant property, if anyone is familiar with that.

I cannot imagine SK finding this Greyhound location, nor walking to it from SCA.

The convenience store is right down the street from the Henderson Court House & Police Dept. And, from where the media event was held by SK's family. Did the family & PI miss this? Did Henderson Police Dept mention this Greyhound location to the family, or PI?

With this said, however, I will go speak with the clerk tomorrow to get some details regarding bus tickets, IDs, & leave a flyer. If you all think this would be a waste of my time please say so.

Thank You for doing that. It can only help, let us know what you find out.

 

[webrocket]

Three things:

The ping list does not appear to be a "tracker." It only offers hits when the phone make/receives a call/text. So in each case, you can assume the phone is getting a call or making a call when it pings off a tower. I don't know why it doesn't show his movements when the phone isn't in use, but it doesn't.

In some cases, there are several calls between tower pings (I don't have the doc at home, but I can give more details tomorrow), yet the phone doesn't show any tower info. For example: Call 1 from 555-1212 at 3:00 p.m. pings on the Whitney Ranch tower. Call 2 from 555-1213 at 3:05 p.m. has no tower info. Call 3 at 5 p.m. pings off I-515 and Russell tower. I believe there is no tower info because there is nothing new to report (it's pinging off the same tower). This is significant because, in my opinion, it means the phone hasn't moved. If this theory is correct, it means the phone sits at I-515 and Russell for several days before losing communication with the tower. (I should really have some of you LV WSer's come to my office to see the doc and know what I'm talking about...)

Finally, I do not believe he ran off with someone, or for that matter, walked away from his life. First, I cannot stress the remoteness of the neighborhood where he dumped his car. I used to live downtown and a dumped car could go days without being noticed, maybe weeks. Second, when looking at his email account, I believe he only thought about one thing: finding a job. I am not exaggerating when I say there are thousands of emails in his account, and 99% revolve around looking for work. Finally, despite what some believe, the family ties are very strong. Sure, he moved to St. George, but the drive isn't that big of a deal. I just don't see it.

Months ago I posed the question of the computer usage and while I'm not going to go digging for it, I was and still am convinced an answer lies on that hard drive. Maybe not an answer to the question of why was he in LV that day, but an answer.

Among the questions I asked were whether the computer was used up until the end or whether the usage tapered off as December approached. Also, I asked whether what email addresses were being used. You would be surprised how much information can be gleaned just by the email address someone uses.

Also, I had questioned whether there were any visits to sites like mapquest that would show destinations of some of these trips. Of further curiosity is whether he was visiting dating websites (of any persuasion)

The ONLY response we got from people in the know (until now) was that there was nothing on his computer that explained why he was in SCA that day, which really said nothing.

I would be more than happy to snoop around with email addresses, but unless someone is kind enough to let anyone know what addresses he was using, no one could possibly help.

 

[webrocket]

My 1st thought is Steven didn't abandon his car, there is no logincal reason to walk miles and miles to this Whitney Ranch area. Just because his phone is in this area doesn't mean Steven accompanied it.

However, it really makes no sense that a killer would take just Steven's phone if he had just killed him. It's one thing to take the phone for 20 mins and throw in a dumpster. It is quite another thing to take it overnight and access voicemail the next morning if the phone's owner is dead.

 

[carbuff]

I don't think you can do that anymore. TSA looks for something on the driver's license that shows it's legitimate. If one has to present ID for the Greyhound, they have to verify it's legit.

Yes, but they don't ask for any secondary ID to establish that the name on the ID is really yours. And getting a fake ID is trivial.

I'm not exactly on the leading edge of criminal awareness, but I know where I could go to get a driver's license that would pass all but the tightest scrutiny. I could get one with my own name on it (if, for instance, I was under age or an illegal immigrant) or with another name. It would cost me around $75 and I could pay it in cash, food stamps, international currency, phone cards, almost anything hockable. I could probably give them my cell phone with its cache of unused minutes. Since it's based out of a convenience store, I could probably even pay for it by credit card for a fake purchase.

I wouldn't have to do anything online or via phone, either. In fact they'd probably prefer that I didn't leave a trail. It'd probably take two trips, one to make contact and the second to make the purchase.

And that assumes he didn't already have some kind of secondary ID for whatever he was doing in St. George.

 

[believe09]

In regard to a ping in the area of Sunset/Stephanie, as someone stated this is near Sunset Station Hotel & Casino....plus, one block from the Best Buy on Sunset & Marks.

Also, I live in old town Henderson, and I had no idea that Greyhound buses could be taken from this convenient store on N. Water St. I've only been in there a couple of times, as it creeps me out. There's usually some creepy people outside the building, or sitting inside cars. BTW this convenience store is across from the old TimeMet plant property, if anyone is familiar with that.

I cannot imagine SK finding this Greyhound location, nor walking to it from SCA.

The convenience store is right down the street from the Henderson Court House & Police Dept. And, from where the media event was held by SK's family. Did the family & PI miss this? Did Henderson Police Dept mention this Greyhound location to the family, or PI?

With this said, however, I will go speak with the clerk tomorrow to get some details regarding bus tickets, IDs, & leave a flyer. If you all think this would be a waste of my time please say so.

THANK YOU!!! It would be nice to firmly rule this out....

 

[webrocket]

what I don't understand is that if LE had the ping data, they should have plastered the Whitney Ranch area with flyers.

Until we learned of this about a week ago, I don't think we ever hear of that before and people concentrated on the SCA area.

I find it distressing to say the least. I can understand if it was not shared publicly at first, but to my knowledge there was NO LE activity in that area. I mean it has been claimed that LE knocked on the doors around Evening Lights. You would think they would have checked out restaurants and hotels in the Whitney Ranch area had they known his phone last pinged there.