NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #18

[carbuff]

The longer I think about those coats in the back seat, and that robber, the more I wonder about something really hinky and quite mundane.

 

[Fairy1]

The longer I think about those coats in the back seat, and that robber, the more I wonder about something really hinky and quite mundane.

What robber?

 

[carbuff]

What robber?

Here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5711556&postcount=502

 

[sbakker]

weren't Steven and GW more or less going in different directions that Sunday? SK was in Vegas and told GW he was not going to be at church and GW said ok, I'll go back to St. G and cover it. that is my brief summary of my recollection of events.

Had the two met up in person, this conversation would not have taken place so I don't think they met each other in Vegas. of course it begs the question of whether GW's account of the conversation is true, but it does seem to fit within their don't ask don't tell mentality.

Well, we DO NOT know for sure that sk said he would NOT be back. That is what GW said.

 

[sbakker]

OT but I like the show Disappeared. It does show that too many people are missing. I wish they would do one on Steven but I'm not sure there would be much more info than what we know.

Are you thinking Steven got into trouble or was doing something that some people would call "hinky" or "shady.

I have followed this case all along but haven't posted on it yet. You have done a great job laytonian.

Myself, I am leaning to something "hinky" or shady. And I think it had to do with people from St. George.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Like the case I mentioned downthread, where a young man drove to his parents' home in Olathe KS, took their 9mm gun, and then drove all the way to Douglas, Wyoming - where he abandoned his car on the side of I-25?

The interesting thing about that case was, like in Steven's, all the things left behind in the car.



He wasn't in the SCA area until two hours later....but yeah, I think he could have driven around after talking to SA, to find the perfect parking place.

If that was the case...wouldn't that be on camera?

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

weren't Steven and GW more or less going in different directions that Sunday? SK was in Vegas and told GW he was not going to be at church and GW said ok, I'll go back to St. G and cover it. that is my brief summary of my recollection of events.

Had the two met up in person, this conversation would not have taken place so I don't think they met each other in Vegas. of course it begs the question of whether GW's account of the conversation is true, but it does seem to fit within their don't ask don't tell mentality.

Based on what GW told Neagle...when he spoke to SK, they were within a few miles of each other. Two guys who had no idea they were in the same city just happen to talk when they are "passing" each other. Maybe they were meeting up, or just leaving? I think the phone call was about something else...why would GW call if he was on his way home?

I still want to know how the Elders came to know GW was not going to make the meeting? I've read "realized"...does that mean GW called? If he did, wouldn't he mention SK was not going to be there either, eliminating the calls from SA to SK? Clarity of these events would answer a lot of questions for me.

 

[carbuff]

Based on what GW told Neagle...when he spoke to SK, they were within a few miles of each other. Two guys who had no idea they were in the same city just happen to talk when they are "passing" each other. Maybe they were meeting up, or just leaving? I think the phone call was about something else...why would GW call if he was on his way home?

I still want to know how the Elders came to know GW was not going to make the meeting? I've read "realized"...does that mean GW called? If he did, wouldn't he mention SK was not going to be there either, eliminating the calls from SA to SK? Clarity of these events would answer a lot of questions for me.

Question for the Las Vegas locals: I remember somebody mentioning that the pings where GW and SK passed each other are near the racetrack. Is it near anything else they might have both been visiting -- recreation area, convention center, big casino...?

 

[laytonian]

He wasn't in the SCA area until two hours later....but yeah, I think he could have driven around after talking to SA, to find the perfect parking place.

If that was the case...wouldn't that be on camera?

??
Other than Mr Security's cameras?

 

[laytonian]

But didn't that last ping bring him closer into the city - and not out into the desert?

You haven't looked at the map, have you? It's not just one ping. It's four. HERE: 12-13 Dec cell pings map.

Look at how those last four pings are within the Whitney Ranch area -- NOT into the city center, but past it, into the other side of town.

If he went elsewhere, where did he go? Why didn't he drive closer to his destination? Didn't he have a half tank of gas left?

I've tried to give up following Steven's logic, but now I'm having trouble following yours.

Car dump, as I've said repeatedly.

You dump the car somewhere to deflect attention away from where you're really going.

Your belief is that Steven's happy and alive somewhere - right?
Do you really believe he's camping out in SCA?

 

[carbuff]

You haven't looked at the map, have you? It's not just one ping. It's four. HERE: 12-13 Dec cell pings map.

Look at how those last four pings are within the Whitney Ranch area -- NOT into the city center, but past it, into the other side of town.
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Into the other side of town, and right next to one of the busiest routes into and out of the entire area, at a major entrance/exit.

 

[laytonian]

Into the other side of town, and right next to one of the busiest routes into and out of the entire area.

....and out by the bus station, too. Sin_City even went and talked to them -- and confirmed some interesting info.

BBM

05-24-2010, 10:25 PM
Sin City

I spoke with the clerk at the convenience store on N. Water St regarding Greyhound buses. No ID is needed to purchase a ticket. No ID is needed to board the bus. There isn't a passenger manifest. Tickets can be purchased at the Henderson location.

If one is getting on a bus at the Henderson location it will travel to the Main St Greyhound station in downtown Las Vegas, and then one continues on to another destination. One can ride the Henderson bus for free, if one has purchased a ticket that departs from the Main St station.

The bus that picks up at 7am, and 9pm arrives from the Main St station, and continues on to AZ locations (Kingman, Flagstaff, Phoenix, Tucson).​

A bus picks up at 7:00am....about the time of his last cell usage. The "depot" is actually the convenience store at 450 North Water Street, Henderson, NV (on Boulder Highway) - only about two miles from the cell phone pings. It could have picked him up about 7am, taken him to the downtown depot, and to the AZ locations or another.

The ONLY time an ID would be needed, is if the ticket was prepurchased "will call" (that's per the research I did on greyhound.com).

 

[carbuff]

The ONLY time an ID would be needed, is if the ticket was prepurchased "will call" (that's per the research I did on greyhound.com).

And as far as we know, he still has his wallet. So he might have showed his ID to board, or anywhere else since. It's not a registration card; it doesn't ping somewhere every time it's used.

I'm coming around to the walkaway theory -- and also suspect that he doesn't know he's missing. I think he thought that whatever happened between him and his father was definite enough that his father knew he wasn't coming back unless asked. His father didn't ask, so he cut all ties and went out on his own.

The last text ping from the landlord at 6:04 and the voicemail check at 7:04 are both off that same tower at 515/Russell, right?

 

[laytonian]

The ONLY time an ID would be needed, is if the ticket was prepurchased "will call" (that's per the research I did on greyhound.com).

And as far as we know, he still has his wallet. So he might have showed his ID to board, or anywhere else since. It's not a registration card; it doesn't ping somewhere every time it's used.

That's a good point. Even IF he showed ID, for a cash-paid ticket (which he could have obtained the day before, or in Mesquite or St George), it wouldn't be a signal.

I'm coming around to the walkaway theory -- and also suspect that he doesn't know he's missing. I think he thought that whatever happened between him and his father was definite enough that his father knew he wasn't coming back unless asked. His father didn't ask, so he cut all ties and went out on his own.

I know many believe he's a crime victim - and I thought so, for quite awhile. But really, there's not been anything uncovered.

Since the case hasn't gone national, he could be living under his own name quite easily. A car dump, and a move far away is starting to make more sense to me; I've not thought he was (alive) in Vegas for a long time. (The alternative is unsavory and depressing.)

We can't forget that his father told the SL Tribune, recently, that he hadn't even read Steven's journal. It really does make you wonder how much has been confided within the family. That "oh, dad...." and then the hangup.

I feel really sorry for his Dad. I can remember arguments between my own Dad and my brother (and they're still not close, at all).

The last text ping from the landlord at 6:04 and the voicemail check at 7:04 are both off that same tower at 515/Russell, right?

Yup.

It's just the one-hour time difference -- that's why I show both times on the timeline. The bold time is the time where the action took place.

7:04am (MST) 6:04am (PST)

SPECULATION: I'd really like to know where SK's St George acquaintance(s) were, after church on Dec 13th. Did anyone disappear for a few hours, in order to do a gigantic favor for a friend who'd confided in him .... something that could be described as a "long story"?

 

[laytonian]

In the past 24 hours, bodies have been found:

Green Valley HS, Henderson, NV (likely suicide). It's smack-dab near the Whitney Ranch area: MAP.
UPDATE says the body is an adult, not a student or anyone connected with the school.

Venice, CA (a 30-ish male in a jogging suit, found in the canals).

Altadena, CA (near Pasadena), UID skeletal remains.

Of course, we prefer to have SK be a walkaway....so these may relate to other cases?

Note:
All underlined text indicates a link to the news story or a map

 

[carbuff]

Sounds like both the Henderson and Venice bodies are quite recent.

 

[laytonian]

Sounds like both the Henderson and Venice bodies are quite recent.

I'm not sure about Venice; the first report I read (yesterday) said they couldn't easily determine what it was. But that still means pretty recent, in that climate.

 

[carbuff]

I'm not sure about Venice; the first report I read (yesterday) said they couldn't easily determine what it was. But that still means pretty recent, in that climate.

Recent enough to float is still quite a lot more recent than Steven.

 

[webrocket]

if they just discovered the suicide near Whitney Ranch, I think it is probably not Steven unless he was in hiding all this time and then decided to end it.

 

[Fairy1]

I was searching around today to see if Steven has popped up anywhere recently and came across this comment. Just below the headline, you can get to the actual article by clicking on "Return to story."

http://comments.sltdb.com/comments.php?p=5&id=49906365

I hope it's ok to link it this way - you can find the article itself online, but the comments are no longer there. I had to go backwards!

I don't recall seeing this story before. Tried to find some info on this gang, but most of what came up was in Spanish. I was hoping to figure out if they run in other cities.