NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #21

[A51]

Okay, so let's say someone knocks on your door and asks you if you've seen YOUR murder victim. What are you gonna say?

No search warrants have ever been executed in SCA. Why would they be? There have never been any signs of foul play.

It wuldnt have gone down there. U dont sh** in ur own hood. He aint there.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Okay, so let's say someone knocks on your door and asks you if you've seen YOUR murder victim. What are you gonna say?

No search warrants have ever been executed in SCA. Why would they be? There have never been any signs of foul play.

Thank you Fairy1, I believe that is important to note!!!

 

[A51]

Just wanted to know, how you know , they are working so hard on this case? I do not think any of us are down on sk's case, but do you have information we do not know about?

I would like to think there was alot going on in this case, but really have not heard that much is happening.

Cause the cops are smooth. I was a CI for them and they no more then they tell and there everywehre. From workin w/thm I no its hard to stick a bust even when u have someone on the inside. There not goin to dime out there own investion just so they can impress.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I was surprised at how little the Discovery show talked about GW. We didn't even get to see a picture. What if they were together the night before and someone had seen them? Think a little more about their relationship would have been helpful.

 

[SassyBenton]

I believe that someone in the SCA neighborhood knows something about Steven’s disappearance, I don’t think it was just a random out of the way spot that Steven chose to leave his car at. If he wanted to disappear and abandon his car, wouldn’t he have parked it in a busier area, such as the Strip? It would less likely to be noticed and it would’ve gone unreported a lot longer than it did.

Unfortunately LE didn’t have enough to go on to get warrants or anything else for the homes in that area and like someone said, no one is going to offer up info if they were involved and LE didn’t track them down. I am still not convinced that the women in the white blazer seen on the surveillance video didn’t have something to do with Steven’s disappearance. The timing of Steven’s arrival at SCA and the arrival of the white blazer and the way it parks as Steven is crossing the road is just too big of a coincidence to me. I know that LE spoke with the driver and she was supposedly showing a house, but it just doesn’t sit right with me. I just can’t get passed it.

 

[Weygand]

Ditching the car in SCA, or some such similar place, makes the most sense. Most big cities have tow drivers who are champing at the bit to tow a car. This is because the city vigorously pursues the "parking tickets as ATM" policy meaning you will get ticketed and towed faster than when you ditch it there. Especially if it's easier to get where you're going by not going downtown on your way to a new life.

 

[Fairy1]

I believe that someone in the SCA neighborhood knows something about Steven’s disappearance, I don’t think it was just a random out of the way spot that Steven chose to leave his car at. If he wanted to disappear and abandon his car, wouldn’t he have parked it in a busier area, such as the Strip? It would less likely to be noticed and it would’ve gone unreported a lot longer than it did.

Agreed. And yes, if you wanted your car "hidden" you wouldn't park it in a retirement community with a homeowners association. I recall a case that came up last year where the vehicle of a man who went missing was parked in the garage at the Silverton Casino for ages before it was ever connected to the missing man. His remains were found in Red Rock Canyon, where he had gone hiking.

Unfortunately LE didn’t have enough to go on to get warrants or anything else for the homes in that area and like someone said, no one is going to offer up info if they were involved and LE didn’t track them down. I am still not convinced that the women in the white blazer seen on the surveillance video didn’t have something to do with Steven’s disappearance. The timing of Steven’s arrival at SCA and the arrival of the white blazer and the way it parks as Steven is crossing the road is just too big of a coincidence to me. I know that LE spoke with the driver and she was supposedly showing a house, but it just doesn’t sit right with me. I just can’t get passed it.

No, they didn't have enough to go on. But a little digging might give them something to go on.

Lots of folks have trouble getting past the white SUV. But keep in mind, WE have only seen small pieces of the surveillance video. There are others who have watched hours and hours of video both before and after Steven appears on it. In addition to the realtor being questioned in person, I think it's safe to assume that the video footage we haven't seen clears her as well.

 

[Fairy1]

Just wanted to know, how you know , they are working so hard on this case? I do not think any of us are down on sk's case, but do you have information we do not know about?

I would like to think there was alot going on in this case, but really have not heard that much is happening.

I totally get the initial lack of urgency on LE's part when any adult goes missing and no signs of foul play exist. However, the investigation in Steven's case revealed, fairly quickly, that it was completely out of character and there were absolutely no indications of his living some kind of "double" life. Taking into consideration everything else we've learned about Steven and his actions prior to going missing, it seems to me a bit more digging would be in order.

To assume that foul play can only be indicated by the presence of blood or a smoking gun greatly limits the possibility of finding - or even looking for - a missing person.

 

[Jessicaleanne1992]

he went to that neighborhood with a purpose. he didn't want to disappear, he had just bought christmas gifts for his brother's children. i'm guessing he went to that neighborhood for some type of job interview and never came out. i feel like the cops really did nothing here to find him. that's just the vibe i get. if that neighborhood was for older people then there are only so many places he could have went.

 

[Weygand]

he went to that neighborhood with a purpose. he didn't want to disappear, he had just bought christmas gifts for his brother's children. i'm guessing he went to that neighborhood for some type of job interview and never came out. i feel like the cops really did nothing here to find him. that's just the vibe i get. if that neighborhood was for older people then there are only so many places he could have went.

Odds are he left SCA or he went to a job interview and was murdered at the job interview by either the senior living at the destination or someone working with the mobile home owner to lure a stranger there to be murdered. Since mobile home parks tend to be filled with nosy old women with nothing better to do THAN mind their neighbors' business (anecdotal evidence of course), they had to disable or shoot him as soon as he walked in (hoping of course no one else happened to walk by (in a senior living community where everyone
goes for walks [again, anecdotal] when he approached the door, lest they hear the silencer or sounds of a struggle) because if they weren't suspicious of their neighbors before, with a potential murderer living in their midst, I bet they are now.

I don't think there's much the police can do..the guy appears to have said "FYIQ" and took off. Happens all the time....

 

[SassyBenton]

Odds are he left SCA or he went to a job interview and was murdered at the job interview by either the senior living at the destination or someone working with the mobile home owner to lure a stranger there to be murdered. Since mobile home parks tend to be filled with nosy old women with nothing better to do THAN mind their neighbors' business (anecdotal evidence of course), they had to disable or shoot him as soon as he walked in (hoping of course no one else happened to walk by (in a senior living community where everyone
goes for walks [again, anecdotal] when he approached the door, lest they hear the silencer or sounds of a struggle) because if they weren't suspicious of their neighbors before, with a potential murderer living in their midst, I bet they are now.

I don't think there's much the police can do..the guy appears to have said "FYIQ" and took off. Happens all the time....

SCA isn't a mobile home park, what place are you referring to?

 

[SuziQ]

SCA isn't a mobile home park, what place are you referring to?

And from what I understand no one walks there. No one in sight doing yardwork or anything.

 

[SassyBenton]

Odds are he left SCA or he went to a job interview and was murdered at the job interview by either the senior living at the destination or someone working with the mobile home owner to lure a stranger there to be murdered. Since mobile home parks tend to be filled with nosy old women with nothing better to do THAN mind their neighbors' business (anecdotal evidence of course), they had to disable or shoot him as soon as he walked in (hoping of course no one else happened to walk by (in a senior living community where everyone
goes for walks [again, anecdotal] when he approached the door, lest they hear the silencer or sounds of a struggle) because if they weren't suspicious of their neighbors before, with a potential murderer living in their midst, I bet they are now.

I don't think there's much the police can do..the guy appears to have said "FYIQ" and took off. Happens all the time....

Many of us believe that Steven was in the Vegas area for looking for a job. What is hard to comprehend is how a possible job interview would turn into murder. I think it is HIGHLY unlikely that someone was posting help wanted ads with the intention of luring strangers into a home to murder them for no reason. Makes absolutely no sense. Most murders occur due to the following: drugs & alcohol, money, revenge and domestic disputes. It doesn’t appear that Steven had any issues like these, so who would have a reason to kill him? :waitasec:

 

[SassyBenton]

And from what I understand no one walks there. No one in sight doing yardwork or anything.

This was my understanding as well. A few people who are familiar with SCA have posted on here saying that there is almost never anyone walking around outside, which makes sense since it’s a retirement community and Vegas gets extremely hot in spring and summer. (That wouldn’t matter in this case since Steven disappeared in the winter.) I was thinking that since people are rarely out walking in SCA, wouldn’t residents be more likely to notice someone walking around, especially if it was a younger person such as Steven? Wouldn’t a young man stand out in a retirement community? I’m just speaking from personal experience, but my grandma lives in one of these types of neighborhoods and let me tell you, the residents in her community notice ANYTHING that happens out of the ordinary. I don’t know, maybe it’s because they don’t have much to do but watch tv. :crazy:

 

[Weygand]

Many of us believe that Steven was in the Vegas area for looking for a job. What is hard to comprehend is how a possible job interview would turn into murder. I think it is HIGHLY unlikely that someone was posting help wanted ads with the intention of luring strangers into a home to murder them for no reason. Makes absolutely no sense. Most murders occur due to the following: drugs & alcohol, money, revenge and domestic disputes. It doesn’t appear that Steven had any issues like these, so who would have a reason to kill him? :waitasec:

Answer the last question and you'll be closer to the truth than anyone else.

 

[Weygand]

SCA isn't a mobile home park, what place are you referring to?

Sorry, I errantly substituted my parents retirement community (mobile homes retired people live in) with SCA (Non-mobile homes retired people live in)

 

[Fairy1]

I have been to the neighborhood several times, so let me try to clear up some things.

In all the times I've been there, I've seen one person walking in the SCA neighborhood. However, I've seen tons of folks walking, running, walking their dogs, biking, etc. in greater Anthem.

The SCA neighborhood where Steven's car was parked is fairly upscale and the landscaping (at least the majority) is all live, not artificial. Every, single home there is perfectly manicured. I don't know if the landscaping services are provided by the homeowners association, but I have never seen anyone outside doing their own yard work.

I have no idea what the statistics of luring a young man from another state on the premise of a job interview as a ruse for murder by a senior citizen may be but, personally, I assume the odds are pretty low.

 

[A51]

Odds are he left SCA or he went to a job interview and was murdered at the job interview by either the senior living at the destination or someone working with the mobile home owner to lure a stranger there to be murdered. Since mobile home parks tend to be filled with nosy old women with nothing better to do THAN mind their neighbors' business (anecdotal evidence of course), they had to disable or shoot him as soon as he walked in (hoping of course no one else happened to walk by (in a senior living community where everyone
goes for walks [again, anecdotal] when he approached the door, lest they hear the silencer or sounds of a struggle) because if they weren't suspicious of their neighbors before, with a potential murderer living in their midst, I bet they are now.

I don't think there's much the police can do..the guy appears to have said "FYIQ" and took off. Happens all the time....

BBM

what? old bitties with silencers. i came from a bad part of town but i aint never seen no old geezers or bitties with silenced guns. what kind a hood is this sca place? why not bump off a girl scout when they come with them cookies?

 

[A51]

I have been to the neighborhood several times, so let me try to clear up some things.

In all the times I've been there, I've seen one person walking in the SCA neighborhood. However, I've seen tons of folks walking, running, walking their dogs, biking, etc. in greater Anthem.

The SCA neighborhood where Steven's car was parked is fairly upscale and the landscaping (at least the majority) is all live, not artificial. Every, single home there is perfectly manicured. I don't know if the landscaping services are provided by the homeowners association, but I have never seen anyone outside doing their own yard work.

I have no idea what the statistics of luring a young man from another state on the premise of a job interview as a ruse for murder by a senior citizen may be but, personally, I assume the odds are pretty low.

BBM

fairy--you r da bomb. you got me crackin up when i red this.:floorlaugh:

 

[Weygand]

BBM

what? old bitties with silencers. i came from a bad part of town but i aint never seen no old geezers or bitties with silenced guns. what kind a hood is this sca place? why not bump off a girl scout when they come with them cookies?

So I think you get my point which is

• 
  if someone was going to lure a stranger into a trap to murder them, odds are likely they aren't going to do it in a retirement community

• They certainly aren't going to do it in a retirement community in broad daylight and have them park away from the *trap* increasing the odds that the victim will be seen walking through the neighborhood entering the residence where the trap is sprung.

• And just leave his car there potentially bringing police around asking questions to where you lured the victim. Odds are they didn't know about the surveillance camera because if they did they wouldn't have had him park there

Not saying foul play didn't occur....just saying I don't think it occurred in SCA

/IMO OC