NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #21

[chris24]

Having seen the last video of Steven there are two things I can tell you. One for certain, the second highly likely.
1) Definitely he had been there before!
2) Most likely it was a business related rather than a social meeting.
Why? As a sales director of many years I have accompanied hundreds of thousands of salesmen on sales visits. You can just instantly tell if the salesman has been to a place before from how he acts and walks. For example, Stevens car did not cruise hesitantly up and down the street looking for exactly where to go. There was no gradual peering at door numbers or stop starting. He also knew without worrying where he could easily park nearby.
Then as he walks away from the car he knows EXACTLY where he is going and again there is no checking door numbers to find how far he is from his destination. These are just the obvious indicators, but there is also the feel that comes with years of experience of doing this. I KNOW when a colleague is kidding me about where he has and hasn’t been in the past. Steven had been there before! (It may be irrelevant, or you may profit by going further back on your CCTV or other records)
The second point. Why was it business related? Well he waited six minutes in his car. That’s what you do if you are visiting a business appointment. I have done it with my guys all my life. You get there early, wait in your car until a few minutes before the appointment and then walk in the door with a couple of minutes to spare. If it is a social call, you pull up in their driveway or outside the house and go straight in.
That second point is also another indicator that he had been there before. He could judge the journey time to arrive six minutes before the appointment. He did not arrive there half an hour in advance.

You bring up a lot of good points! Thank you!!

I have always believed that he parked in that spot because he was instructed to park there, away from the location where he was supposed to meet this other person. also, if he was walking a block or two to get into another car, then he'd have no reason to be looking at house numbers at all.

Excellent point.

Additionally, in many new neighborhoods there are rules about parking on the street. Do we know if that was true in this neighborhood? If it was, it makes sense why Steven parked so far from his destination, wherever it was. Maybe the cul-de-sac was a designated area to park.

 

[SheRa]

This is probably a dumb question that has likely been asked before, but still: does anyone know if it's possible to check what a certain website looked like at a certain point in time?

(I still think there has to be some sort of electronic "trail" that either LE has missed, or that LE is keeping mum about, or that has, unfortunately, evaporated due to the passage of time.)

For example, is it possible to figure out what the local Craigslist looked like in early December 2009, or is that totally, 100% not do-able?

*With the recent computer forensics development in the Caylee Anthony case, you can never ask too many "dumb questions" when it comes to computers, in my opinion!

 

[Where's Waldo]

This is probably a dumb question that has likely been asked before, but still: does anyone know if it's possible to check what a certain website looked like at a certain point in time?

(I still think there has to be some sort of electronic "trail" that either LE has missed, or that LE is keeping mum about, or that has, unfortunately, evaporated due to the passage of time.)

For example, is it possible to figure out what the local Craigslist looked like in early December 2009, or is that totally, 100% not do-able?

*With the recent computer forensics development in the Caylee Anthony case, you can never ask too many "dumb questions" when it comes to computers, in my opinion!

Have you tried The Wayback Machine? That site allows you to view many websites that have been archived from years past, including Craigslist.

 

[SassyBenton]

It’s been a long time since I’ve been on this thread, I was hoping something new in the case had come up. I’m glad to see new people joining in on the discussion, fresh eyes are always great for a case.

I don’t know why I’ve never noticed this before, maybe someone has already mentioned it and I missed it. On Steven’s facebook page, there are two cell phone pics of what I believe is a building that was just imploded. They were added to his profile in May 2009. A family member comments on one of the photos and asks him where it was taken but he doesn’t respond. In the background is a tall building outlined with red neon lights, looks like a casino or hotel. I’m wondering if this is in Las Vegas and if so, why was Steven there? To watch the implode? If this is Las Vegas there’s proof right there he had been there before and long before his disappearance. Any thoughts anyone?

https://www.facebook.com/steve.koecher ref=ts&fref=ts#!/steve.koecher/photos_stream

 

[Sporky]

So after hours of googling. I found what building it was that was imploded. It was in downtown Salt Lake City. Its the Key Bank Building. And it was imploded on Aug. 18 2007. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=421&sid=1656655

Here is a video that someone took of it and you can clearly see the building with the red lights that you were referencing.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695202066/Key-Bank-tower-comes-down.html?pg=allhttp://www.deseretnews.com/article/695202066/Key-Bank-tower-comes-down.html?pg=all

 

[AnonymousD]

Great work, sporky!

I can't get any of the videos to play from that page, but using the pics from the news page & those 2 pics on Steven's page, I found matching parts of the building in the top left.

I wonder why Steven didn't upload these pictures until nearly 2 years after the demolition?

 

[MissJ]

Just checking for any new information and hoping for something.....

 

[neverletgo]

:bump: for Steven. lease:

 

[kiwijayne]

Have just watched this on Disappeared. How heartbreaking for his family.

 

[Kaiser661]

Have just watched this case on Disappeared. Very puzzling but heres my thoughts. I do believe like many others that he went there looking for a job. I have not had chance to look through the entire thread but the fact that it was actually after 12 when he would of arrived at any appointment would lead me to believe that it was a flexible appointment ie between 12 & 1 at a near by residence or like many others have said he was getting picked up by someone.

What I do find odd is that if it was the latter why this place to meet I am not from the US but I would expect it to be a more public meeting place (ie a carpark) even if the intention was sinster from the first instance it just seems like an odd area to meet I cant fathom why someone would decide for instance lets meet outside 220 boulevard drive (I don't know the address of were he was) Unless of course there is more there that I don't know about.

Because of my points above I do believe the area his car was found holds the key.

I personally do not think he just walked off but I hope he did and I hope his family soon get some answers.

 

[deca]

Have just watched this case on Disappeared. Very puzzling but heres my thoughts. I do believe like many others that he went there looking for a job. I have not had chance to look through the entire thread but the fact that it was actually after 12 when he would of arrived at any appointment would lead me to believe that it was a flexible appointment ie between 12 & 1 at a near by residence or like many others have said he was getting picked up by someone.

What I do find odd is that if it was the latter why this place to meet I am not from the US but I would expect it to be a more public meeting place (ie a carpark) even if the intention was sinster from the first instance it just seems like an odd area to meet I cant fathom why someone would decide for instance lets meet outside 220 boulevard drive (I don't know the address of were he was) Unless of course there is more there that I don't know about.

Because of my points above I do believe the area his car was found holds the key.

I personally do not think he just walked off but I hope he did and I hope his family soon get some answers.

My guess is that the job was something that involved that neighborhood: like getting people to sign up for window washing, lawn service etc., or passing out flyers. The only other job I can think of is if someone told him that they worked out of their home (like an accountant or web designer) and needed some help but IIRC they checked out to some extent the people in that neighborhood.

We get people in our neighborhood going door to door pretty often. This month I have had nice dressed people trying to sign us up for pest control, alarm service, window washing, painting the curb, house painting, etc. Usually they park their car on one side of the area and walk back around to it when they are done.

I envision someone telling Steven to meet them somewhere in that neighborhood. Steven parks "out of the way" and walks off camera, probably to the perp's car. The perp might say something like, "Oh, we will do this area last...let's go do this other neighborhood first." and drives him away.

I know a lot of Mormons and they tend to be pretty trusting. One particular male friend has accepted many jobs over the years doing things this like this for extra spending cash. Luckily nothing bad has happened to him! Usually it is a friend- of a friend through church. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case with Steven.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I've always thought it was an appointment because he appears to walk with confidence and purpose in a certain direction right on time. He waited in his car for noon to come, and almost in an effort to not be exactly on time or possibly not seem too eager by showing up early, he leaves his car at 12 instead of a little before. Whatever happened after that, I believe he left the area with someone he trusted who did not necessarily live in the area, but was familiar with it for some reason, otherwise I do not believe they would have him park there. Or, alternately, something went wrong at someone's house who lives in the area and they didn't want to be seen moving the car. Either instance, someone in the area caused Stephen to not come back to his car. So whoever got him there has a direct or indirect connection to that street...and we have never really heard from anyone on that street except for some VERY RUDE postings in the beginning of this case.

 

[believe09]

I have always wondered if there were people who were not at home when LE canvassed the neighborhood, or who might have moved shortly afterwards that might have some info. I think that people were moving around that year, especially in LV, because of the implosion of the housing market. I mean there were deals to be had and foreclosures too numerous to mention.

 

[Kelly_Robinson]

Hello folks,

It's been awhile since I've posted here. I have looked into this case until I am blue in the face and the only thing that I am pretty sure about is that Steven Koecher was in the neighborhood to call on a business opportunity or job.

Kelly

 

[SassyBenton]

Doubt it. He was a committed member of the L.D.S. Church. People don't generally leave their faith like that. It's usually a long process and people who attend meetings like that have usually long left their faith and attend just to reinforce their decision.

Kelly

That is your opinion, not fact.

 

[margarita25]

Just saw Stephen's case on ID, Disappeared / Netflix (Season 4).

Bumping for Stephen.

:bump:

 

[ktgirl]

Do we know for sure where Josh Powell, Steven Powell, and Michael Powell (Susan Cox Powell's husband, father-in-law, and brother-in-law) were on the day Steve Koecher went missing?

I do not believe that Susan & Steve Koecher knew each other at all, let alone had an affair, etc. but I wouldn't put anything past the Powells to seize an opportunity to lure some upstanding Mormon man to his disappearance (or just happen upon him & take the opportunity). I just say this because I'm reading a seven page "preliminary report" Steven Powell wrote about why and how Susan & Steve K. likely ran away together and man is it something. He probably just saw that another devoted Mormon had gone missing and seized the opportunity to try to tie Susan's story into it, but at this point, I don't put anything past the Powells.

You can find the report Steven Powell wrote here: http://img.ksl.com/slc/2507/250737/25073705.pdf

Could the Powell guys have lured Steven K to where he disappeared from? Maybe the happened upon him when he was visiting Utah, overheard he was looking for a job or something, and set this up. Josh & Michael Powell used encryptions for their emails that LE hasn't been able to crack. Maybe they hid or encrypted computer conversations they had with Steven K? I know this is beyond implausible and the Powells just likely heard about Steven K disappearing and tried to tie Susan to him. But I am continually shocked by the Powell family and at this point wouldn't put anything past them.

 

[Solitaryone]

This case is so perplexing! It seems there hasn't been any new news or leads in a long time. What happened to Steven Koecher?

 

[armcha1r_detect1ve]

This case was posted to Reddit today and, while I haven't read the entirety of the 21! threads, I came up with the following:

In my opinion, if SK were in that neighborhood to pass out fliers he may have parked where he was and began sticking them on doors, in a kind of U shape, starting at the first house and then crossing the street and working his way back down to his vehicle... but.. he did not do that as no fliers were left on ANY doors. I think it's safe to say he wasn't there to pass out fliers.

He left his home on the 12th at 10:30pm. It doesn't state that he returned home that evening to sleep. Where did he stay on the night of the 12th? Where was his car parked on the night of the 12th while he slept?

Most importantly, what was he carrying in his arms walking away from the car? It seems that he is carrying it in the way someone would hold a football under there arm, not in the way that someone would carry a folder or documents against their body.

I believe someone on Evening Lights or it's connecting street knows what happened to SK. Either he was lured there, met someone the previous evening and was directed there, or, as others have mentioned showed up for his 12pm appt and it was not all what he thought it would be.

 

[SuziQ]

I've always thought it was an appointment because he appears to walk with confidence and purpose in a certain direction right on time. He waited in his car for noon to come, and almost in an effort to not be exactly on time or possibly not seem too eager by showing up early, he leaves his car at 12 instead of a little before. Whatever happened after that, I believe he left the area with someone he trusted who did not necessarily live in the area, but was familiar with it for some reason, otherwise I do not believe they would have him park there. Or, alternately, something went wrong at someone's house who lives in the area and they didn't want to be seen moving the car. Either instance, someone in the area caused Stephen to not come back to his car. So whoever got him there has a direct or indirect connection to that street...and we have never really heard from anyone on that street except for some VERY RUDE postings in the beginning of this case.

I'm not sure where to find in previous threads, the phone ping info. After he left the car, his phone moved, with or without him to another subdivision miles away. I remember it was very interesting.

If anyone knows where to find the phone ping info, can you bump it up?

Thanks! And welcome to all new posters viewing Steven's thread.