NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 5

[laytonian]

I'm a bit confused on the exact location of the last sighting of Trevor.

I'm confused, too....because "3800 South Town" isn't at Flamingo at all. It's north...and seems to be on top of the I-215 junction

Did you see the map I put, in Trevor's info? 3800 South Town plots to being just north of I-215.
There's a Terrible Herbst station at 3650 South Town, just north of I-215.
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/similar-cases

The RC Willey store, 3850 South Town, is just south of I-215.

BUT....a month after Trevor disappeared, a hunky blonde-haired guy with blue eyes disappeared from an (unnamed) casino. They really protect those casinos, don't they? Won't even name them in a missing persons case.

We're up to ONLY 8 "similar" cases since Sep 2000 -- but I'm sure there's more. But not so many that the cases are massive to investigate. Not 1500 a month, 18000 a year or 180,000 missing in ten years.

8, so far, men 25-35ish are being sought, after disappearing in Las Vegas.....and
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/similar-cases

 

[Fairy1]

I'm confused, too....because "3800 South Town" isn't at Flamingo at all. It's north...and seems to be on top of the I-215 junction

Did you see the map I put, in Trevor's info? 3800 South Town plots to being just north of I-215.
There's a Terrible Herbst station at 3650 South Town, just north of I-215.
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/similar-cases

The RC Willey store, 3850 South Town, is just south of I-215.

BUT....a month after Trevor disappeared, a hunky blonde-haired guy with blue eyes disappeared from an (unnamed) casino. They really protect those casinos, don't they? Won't even name them in a missing persons case.

We're up to ONLY 8 "similar" cases since Sep 2000 -- but I'm sure there's more. But not so many that the cases are massive to investigate. Not 1500 a month, 18000 a year or 180,000 missing in ten years.

8, so far, men 25-35ish are being sought, after disappearing in Las Vegas.....and
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/similar-cases

That's creepy, Laytonian. I did see your map, but everything I see says Trevor disappeared from the "3800 block" of Town Center. I want to know exactly WHERE. And I saw somewhere that the cab driver said he took off into the desert. What?

Yes, the casinos are protected. But - keep in mind that lots of people come here to disappear on purpose. And it's a very transient city, so many people move through here all the time.

 

[laytonian]

That's creepy, Laytonian. I did see your map, but everything I see says Trevor disappeared from the "3800 block" of Town Center. I want to know exactly WHERE. And I saw somewhere that the cab driver said he took off into the desert. What?

Yes, the casinos are protected. But - keep in mind that lots of people come here to disappear on purpose. And it's a very transient city, so many people move through here all the time.

You'd have to ask the Dad, I guess. His "timeline" is so full of what HE (Dad) did, I couldn't get much info about Trevor. Why isn't that video online, like Steven's is?

People may be transient, but they still need basic things to carry on a life and those leave trails....and when they "poof" from a casino, I think it's wrong that it's protected information just to protect an industry.

I think the three latest unsolved cases (Brenton, Morse and Koecher) have similarities.

 

[Fairy1]

You'd have to ask the Dad, I guess. His "timeline" is so full of what HE (Dad) did, I couldn't get much info about Trevor. Why isn't that video online, like Steven's is?

People may be transient, but they still need basic things to carry on a life and those leave trails....and when they "poof" from a casino, I think it's wrong that it's protected information just to protect an industry.

I think the three latest unsolved cases (Brenton, Morse and Koecher) have similarities.

The thing is, Steven and Trevor did not go missing from the casinos. And, the casinos have more surveillance cameras than any other public place, and VERY tight security. Lots of people do things in Vegas they wouldn't normally do. They get drunk or high and stupid.

Seems to me Steven and Trevor were lured to the destinations from which they went missing. On the face of it, I just don't see many similarities in these men and their lifestyles. But there are other parallels that are intriguing.

 

[webrocket]

The thing is, Steven and Trevor did not go missing from the casinos. And, the casinos have more surveillance cameras than any other public place, and VERY tight security. Lots of people do things in Vegas they wouldn't normally do. They get drunk or high and stupid.

Seems to me Steven and Trevor were lured to the destinations from which they went missing. On the face of it, I just don't see many similarities in these men and their lifestyles. But there are other parallels that are intriguing.

Trevor may have been lured. I think Steven was just meeting up with someone he intended to hook up with, intending to leave and not come back (not in a death sense).

 

[Fairy1]

If Koecher and Morse hadn't been seen on security cameras, their "last seen" would have been ... what? Those cameras are incidental.

With all of the security cameras, and someone obviously having seen Brenton there, it's funny he wasn't seen on a camera.....at least leaving. "Yes, sir - you can see that nothing happened to Mr Brenton at The Mirage, because you can see him leaving on this camera."

Koecher and Morse are lucky to have family still looking for them.

Where do you see he was at the Mirage? And if he left the property, how could they know what happened next?

IMO, if someone's family is not still looking, it's because they know there's a reason NOT to look. Like I said, lots of people come here to disappear and lots of people have secrets of which their families and friends are not aware. Sad, but true.

I work on the Las Vegas Strip and I noticed today that, being Superbowl weekend, there are TONS of young, attractive guys here right now. Many of them will get stupid and put themselves in harms way. Most of them will just have a good time with their buds.

 

[laytonian]

Trevor may have been lured. I think Steven was just meeting up with someone he intended to hook up with, intending to leave and not come back (not in a death sense).

But leaving all his stuff behind, like his computer....and a change of clothes?
And not even taking his shaving kit?

I just told my dh I need *that* kind of sugar daddy

 

[laytonian]

Where do you see he was at the Mirage? And if he left the property, how could they know what happened next?

I should have prefaced that with the word "satire"

 

[Fairy1]

Everything about Steven's case points to the likelihood that he was going to return home.

Resumes can be sent via e-mail so if he was actually going on a job interview, there should be a trail of some kind somewhere - phone or computer. It wouldn't have been something to hide if it was on the up-and-up. He would have had a dialog with the person - in some fashion. And he would have needed directions to his destination. Right?

WTH are we missing here?

 

[laytonian]

Everything about Steven's case points to the likelihood that he was going to return home.

Resumes can be sent via e-mail so if he was actually going on a job interview, there should be a trail of some kind somewhere - phone or computer. It wouldn't have been something to hide if it was on the up-and-up. He would have had a dialog with the person - in some fashion. And he would have needed directions to his destination. Right?

WTH are we missing here?

We're not thinking like Steven.

I wish his friend Tom was still here. He could tell us whether Steven emailed or snail-mailed the resume to him.

 

[pudd]

Everything about Steven's case points to the likelihood that he was going to return home.

Resumes can be sent via e-mail so if he was actually going on a job interview, there should be a trail of some kind somewhere - phone or computer. It wouldn't have been something to hide if it was on the up-and-up. He would have had a dialog with the person - in some fashion. And he would have needed directions to his destination. Right?

WTH are we missing here?

Yes - I really wish we could urge the family to have Steven's computer forensically examined (not just look at his "sent" folder in his email and call it a day).

We also really need that final cell call ping location and cell phone records!! Come on folks, let's doooooo iiiiitttttt.

 

[Mia]

This may have been asked and answered already, but does anyone know if Steven's car was paid off? I just wonder because if it was paid off, it would seem less likely he'd abandon it if he were indeed planning on taking off forever. Whereas if it wasn't paid off there's a greater chance he would abandon it because he didn't want to have to deal with making the payments. Maybe Laytonian knows the answer to this?

Ugh, I am just totally consumed by this case. Even if Steven were purposefully running off with someone, like webrocket suggests, and even if this man/woman happened to be a multi-millionaire who would support Steven and take care of all of his needs, you'd think he'd still bring a few of his possessions with him...at the very least a small overnight bag with essentials or his laptop or a change of clothes or...something! Even if running off to start a new life with someone or alone, I just can't fathom bringing absolutely nothing but a portfolio. That's the biggest reason, for me at least, that I have to dismiss right now Steven leaving on purpose/running off to start a new life.

 

[Fairy1]

This may have been asked and answered already, but does anyone know if Steven's car was paid off? I just wonder because if it was paid off, it would seem less likely he'd abandon it if he were indeed planning on taking off forever. Whereas if it wasn't paid off there's a greater chance he would abandon it because he didn't want to have to deal with making the payments. Maybe Laytonian knows the answer to this?

It wasn't paid off.

 

[liz b.]

Here's the thing , Steven was in dire straits, in a real fix. He was living on peanut butter and bread,along with cheap fast food. He was in fear of being evicted, months behind on his rent, and the utilities were about to be shut off. He had been sleeping in his car. No full time job in sight..... So, this is the exact time that he runs off with a lover ? It doesn't really make sense. If he had been planning to leave with someone, why wait until it was peanut butter sandwich time financially ? Couldn't they have moved up their exit date a bit ? I can see, though ,that his serious financial issues would have made him so vulnerable ; a promise of help in finding a decent job might have lured him. IMHO

 

[webrocket]

Everything about Steven's case points to the likelihood that he was going to return home.

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WTH are we missing here?

I see just the opposite. Everything to me points to his intention NOT to return home.

I probably said this in one form or another. If this was just a random disappearance, i.e. the victim of a crime, then he would not have at least attempted to delete his internet usage history.

When Chandra Levy vanished, her internet history was there for LE to examine because she was fully expecting to return home from her walk in the park.

This does not preclude the possibility that Steven has since become a victim of crime. I am saying that I seriously doubt that anyone lured Steven to SCA with the intent to do him harm. The other person or persons would have no way of knowing if Steven in fact trashed his hard drive or left an e-trail behind.

 

[hollyblue]

...that we know of (besides his fellow church leader).

Or Jeff Bradshaw, but we really don't know how close or his relationship with him as family.

 

[carbuff]

I agree, Webrocket. To me, the only factor arguing against a voluntary disappearance is that he doesn't seem like the kind to run off without telling his family where he was going. But he was in desperate straits, and proud men in desperate straits sometimes do silly things.

I can read his car either way -- either he intended to come back, or he intended it to be found in good condition and returned.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I just wanted to pop in for a minute and address the voicemail issue. I have had ATT cell service for years, with at least 4 different phones. And with none of those phones have I ever called my own number or the ATT number for voicemail, nor have I needed a password. I can either press the "send/call" button from the voicemail screen, or I can press and hold "1" from any screen. Pressing "1" isn't a speed dial that I set up -- it's just how all ATT phones work. When I do access the voicemail through either of these methods, the local (with my area code) ATT voicemail number appears in my call log under "dialed numbers." I can't say for certain this is how Steven's phone worked, but I'd assume this is how it operated, since I've had low-end and high-end phones with ATT service.

Hope that's helpful! I haven't felt that I've had much to add lately, but I'm still following this case and thinking of Steven and his family often.

This is great information, and the reason I keep asking if the AT&T voicemail number was on his cell phone before, and how often. Naegle answered "Yes". I also asked if his own number is on the list of calls, but did not receive a reply.

So this could mean that possibly he had another phone that he was checking voicemail on, or he and someone else communicated by leaving messages on voicemail of a totally seperate phone. Which would allow everyone to remain "undetected"...b/c you would not have a "phone" number show up just the VM number on the monthly list of calls.

So...I wonder if GW also had that VM number on his phone?

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Yes, it's tacky to quote myself -- but why NOW describe this as a more high-level "marketing" job? I don't want to seem disrespectful to a hurting family, but terms like this seem like an attempt to lead only in one direction.

Actually, that makes more sense to me than him actually doing the work. Maybe T, the guy he worked for has clarified his role since the beginning of the case.

He did have fliers in his car, which is how the police called his boss to get his cell phone number. They were visible through the window. He might have been putting them in the gas stations he was stopping at, which is why he was stopping?????

 

[Valiant]

Here's my take from a male perspective:
There's no reason to suspect insurance fraud on the car. A 2003 Cavalier isn't worth much and he still owed on it so he did have to have full coverage. Probably owed about what it was worth, just a guess.

If he left for Las Vegas the night before he may have met up with someone in Vegas, maybe someone that worked until late, we will call him or her Person X. Maybe even GW saw him with Person X, who knows. This would account for the clothes that don't look slept in and the clean shaven look, Person X may have an apartment or house in Vegas.

As for that neighborhood, I don't think the car was there randomly. I also don't think he went there to visit someone who lived in that neighborhood. I think Person X has family there, parents or Grandparents and they attend church or brunch together every Sunday. Person X does not want to bring SK along, at least not yet, so Person X says meet me near where my parents/grandparents live. Park down the street, I'll pick you up at noon and we'll go do whatever. It saves Person X a trip back to Vegas so they have more time together.

I think the trip back home may have been for something like the passport. It would be needed for a job or a NV license. Or SK could be working under the table for cash like before.

Now, why would I think he ran away? I think it's similar to what happened to Nicholas Francisco. NF probably felt trapped because there was little money and he was married to a princess (every thing about the wife leads me to believe she was high maintenance). Finally he had too much and left.

I think SF may have felt smothered by his family. When things are good, that's fine. But the earlier jobs he had were closely related to his father and his family is now deeply into his financial troubles. I don't mean this in a bad way, it's obvious they were trying to help, but SK may have felt trapped by this.

So he meets Person X again and they start talking. SK decides he really has little use for a car he can't pay on, so he just leaves it. And with nothing much else to walk away from, and the new life looks so much better than where he was... And somehow Person X does not fit with SK's old life.

For whatever reason, Monday he dials voicemail and that's the final break with the old life. Personally, I think there's a TracPhone or public computer use somewhere because I don't think any of the meeting was random. I do think the odd driving everywhere first was random.

Just my thoughts.