Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[Julessleuther]

Is there someone that has a relationship with LE on this case that would submit this? I do not want to interfere with someones existing contact.

I grew up in Rochester, and this is one of the very first UID cases I remember hearing as a young girl. It traumitized me at the time, and it still makes me so sad that after all this time, we still do not know who she is.

Wow, Julessleuther, good find!

The nose seems a bit different, but the faces are at slightly different angles so that might account for it. Too close not to submit considering how well location, age, coloring, and size match up.

 

[CarlK90245]

I did not see that this girl has been ruled out (according to NAMUS):

Theresa Armada Alfonso
http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

She went missing from Marathon, FL (extreme south FL) in 1974. If she was a runaway, she may have been hitchhiking for five years. Facial features are similar. She was 13 when she went missing, would have been 18 if this were here (in age range).

I'm sure that Barbara Monaco is not the only person that they've looked at (as NamUs indicates).

I don't think it's her. CJD's nose is very noticeably turned up at the bottom, and when you look at her side-view photo, you can see it's not the result of a low camera angle. Even with a camera vantage point slightly higher than nose level, you would still see her nostrils. Teresa Alfonso's nose doesn't turn up at all at the bottom.

I'm convinced that whoever CJD is, we won't find her in any of the missing persons sites unless she shows up in the "Updates" section. If she (or Buckskin Girl, Walker County JD, or the New Britain Girl, among others) ever was to show up on any of these sites, their phone lines would instantly be overrun with calls, just as was the case with Bambi L. Dick the day she showed up on NAMPN.

 

[tamar]

Closest match I've seen yet. Her nose is spot on in my opinion, my best friend has the same shape nose and I always noticed how much more turned up it seems from certain angles BUT,the thing that really piqued my interest was her teeth-- the slight gap, and the slightly protruding eyetooth.

Alfonso is listed as Hispanic, but looks Caucasian. She probably tans very easily and even a minimal amount of time in the sun would give her tan lines.
And with her "Light Brown Hair" she also would have easily been able to highlight her hair and have it look natural, as opposed to brassy.


Go ahead and submit this possible match.

 

[carbuff]

Carl, I agree the nose looks slightly but significantly off and also that probably everybody on the available databases has been gone through. But mistakes happen, things get omitted, and none of us are trained ME's. Everything else fits so well that I can't see not submitting it on the basis of only one photo.

Also, I think it's possible that the UID's head in the profile morgue photo is tilted slightly back. Her jaw seems more prominent from that angle too.

 

[carbuff]

Tina Faye Kemp?

Note freckles, turned-up nose with visible nostrils, pointy yet rounded chin, slightly downward slanting eyes. Tina went missing Feb. 1979, Cali was found November 1979, plenty of time to wander south to pick up that tan, the sun highlights, and the pollen. Tina was wearing jeans, sneakers, and a flannel shirt when last seen, the same kind of clothing Cali was wearing.

Cali is slightly larger, but Tina was 14 when she disappeared. She might well have grown an inch or two and gained 20 pounds in 9 or 10 months.

Also, until recently Tina wasn't listed on any of the major missing persons sites.

 

[CarlK90245]

Tina Faye Kemp?

Note freckles, turned-up nose with visible nostrils, pointy yet rounded chin, slightly downward slanting eyes. Tina went missing Feb. 1979, Cali was found November 1979, plenty of time to wander south to pick up that tan, the sun highlights, and the pollen. Tina was wearing jeans, sneakers, and a flannel shirt when last seen, the same kind of clothing Cali was wearing.

Cali is slightly larger, but Tina was 14 when she disappeared. She might well have grown an inch or two and gained 20 pounds in 9 or 10 months.

Also, until recently Tina wasn't listed on any of the major missing persons sites.

If not for the nose, I'd say she is pretty close, but the noses are way off. I was looking at these two a couple of days ago, and I could not reconcile the differences in their noses.

Even considering the fact that she was shot through the forehead which may have altered the nasal bones, the difference at the tip of the nose is too significant.

 

[CarlK90245]

I noticed that NamUs just added a Deborah McCall (From Illinois) to Cali's rule-out list.

I don't see a Deborah McCall in Charley, NamUs, or DoeNet.

 

[carbuff]

If not for the nose, I'd say she is pretty close, but the noses are way off. I was looking at these two a couple of days ago, and I could not reconcile the differences in their noses.

Even considering the fact that she was shot through the forehead which may have altered the nasal bones, the difference at the tip of the nose is too significant.

Could you illustrate what you mean? They look nearly identical to me, but I might not be looking at the same part.

I was more questioning the eyebrows, but the UID may have been plucking hers.

 

[CarlK90245]

Could you illustrate what you mean? They look nearly identical to me, but I might not be looking at the same part.

I was more questioning the eyebrows, but the UID may have been plucking hers.

Cali's tip of the nose is very small and delicate. The tip of Tina's nose is much more fleshy and bulbous.

I'm somewhat discounting that Cali's nose looks more turned up because that could be affected by camera angle and the injuries to the skull. (Note that the bullet wound above the inside end of her right eyebrow was photoshopped out of the postmortem photo.)

 

[carbuff]

Okay, I see what you're looking at, and I see your point -- but I'm not sure whether it's real, or an effect of the lighting.

I thought the postmortem photos looked really weird. One side of the head is completely distorted. It didn't occur to me that it was already photoshopped.

 

[CarlK90245]

Also, at the bridge of the nose, directly between the eyes, Tina's bridge is broader and more pronounced. IMO, these differences are much more than could be explained away as the effect of damage to Cali's skull or lighting differences.

I thought the postmortem photos looked really weird. One side of the head is completely distorted. It didn't occur to me that it was already photoshopped.

For whatever reason, Her right jawline was photoshopped as well.

 

[justthinkin]

Several truckers called in with information about a young girl who was traveling and catching rides where she could. One trucker swore he saw the girl the night before she was murdered trying to hitch a ride to Boston from a nearby truck stop.

Pollen samples taken from the victim's clothing were determined to have come from only four places: Arizona, California, South Florida, or Mexico.

http://www.doenetwork.org/

There are at least a couple of ways to look at the pollen samples taken from the victim's clothing.
1. The victim had just come from AZ, CA, FL or MX
2. She was wearing clothing that had been in one of those places, but she herself hadn't actually been there
3. The clothing she was wearing, a male's, might have actually belonged to her killer


This girl was mentioned as a possible match back in 2005, but it doesn't appear she was ever submitted as a possible. And like those posters then, I, too, think this girl greatly resembles Caledonia Doe.

The Doe Network:
Case File 1321DFNF

Sharon Drover
Missing since December 29, 1978 from St. John's Newfoundland, Canada.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

* Age at Time of Disappearance: 17 years old

Circumstances of Disappearance
Sharon Drover was last seen late on December 29, 1978. Her disappearance wasn't reported to police until several weeks later. Family members thought she was staying at her foster mother's home. Her foster mother thought she was visiting her family on Bell Island.
Drover left her boarding house to go to McDonalds on Kenmount Road to pick up her paycheck, however, she never arrived there. Later, two brothers came forward and said that on December 29, 1978 they picked up a hitchhiker, whom they thought may have been Drover, on Kenmount Road and dropped her off on Long's Hill, adjacent to the boarding house. The girl stopped and talked with a man and then ran down Long's Hill. Although police cannot confirm that it was Drover, they suspect it was.
Police have been unable to find out who she had been talking to. Foul play is suspected. In 1993, floorboards were removed in the Livingstone Street boarding house, but no evidence was gleaned from the search.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

Royal Newfoundland Constabulary
Cst. J. Case
709-729-8000

NCIC Number: N/A
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
Shellys Missing Persons Unsolved Crimes/

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One thing's for certain, no one was really keeping close tabs on Sharon Drover's whereabouts or her activities and friends. Doesn't sound like she was in school, living at a boarding house. She obviously had at least one living parent and a foster mom according to the Doe Network summation.

 

[carbuff]

If Tina's nose is too bulbous on the end, then Sharon's nose is way off -- but there's an overall resemblance that makes me say, "Yeah, that sure looks like her."

I think they're both too close to be ruled out by us on the basis of what little we have here, especially as misleading as photos can be. I know in cases where they have several pictures of the missing person, I often think, "Wow, I would never have guessed those two were the same person." I can think of one woman who looks like she has a strong chin in the full-face view, but in profile you can see it recedes sharply.

 

[tamar]

The new pictures of Tina Kemp on Doe Network...

submit this match.

 

[tamar]

Tina Faye Kemp and the UID both displayed sentimentality toward "love interest" via keepsakes/jewelry

UID- prosaic heart w/matching "key" keychain
Tina- leather armband with her boyfriend's name on it "Eric"

UID described as wearing red plaid boy's shirt
Tina- last seen wearing a plaid/flannel red and white shirt

UID is described as having moved around the country
Tina was a previous runaway and was known to travel the East Coast

UID was wearing a racing jacket (possible gambling connection?)
Tina was known to frequent horse racing tracks (possible gambling connection?)

UID teeth are small and have a slight turnout or gap left lateral incisor
Tina "smiling photo" small teeth and a slight turnout or gap left lateral incisor

one notable difference: UID eyes are listed as Brown. Tina's are described as Blue.

 

[carbuff]

Yeah, this is too close not to submit, though there are a couple of small but possibly significant differences.

 

[tamar]

Greetings Tamar,

It was brought to my attention that you had emailed someone in Delaware regarding similarities between a New York State unidentified female and our MP case NamUs MP # 6937, Tina Faye Kemp who went missing in 1979.

Your email eventually made it’s way to me, so I wanted to thank you for the referral. I have been in contact with authorities in New York and am checking into this possible connection. If will let you know the results and again, thank you for your work in this area! Very best regards, -Hal

Hal G. Brown, Deputy Director
Delaware Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
Forensic Sciences Laboratory

 

[CarlK90245]

Tina Faye Kemp?

Note freckles, turned-up nose with visible nostrils, pointy yet rounded chin, slightly downward slanting eyes. Tina went missing Feb. 1979, Cali was found November 1979, plenty of time to wander south to pick up that tan, the sun highlights, and the pollen. Tina was wearing jeans, sneakers, and a flannel shirt when last seen, the same kind of clothing Cali was wearing.

Cali is slightly larger, but Tina was 14 when she disappeared. She might well have grown an inch or two and gained 20 pounds in 9 or 10 months.

Also, until recently Tina wasn't listed on any of the major missing persons sites.

I just spoke with Hal Brown on a separate matter, but I brought up the subject of Tina Kemp and Caledonia Jane Doe.

He said that they don't have dentals on Tina, and the family is in the process of turning in DNA-FRS kits for input to CODIS.

However, he indicated that they showed Cali's photo to Tina's five sisters and her mother, and they all unanimously agreed that she was not Tina. He said that he is waiting for DNA results before putting Tina's name on Cali's NamUs exclusions list. He only puts exclusions in NamUs if there is a scientific basis for the exclusion.

fftopic: He also indicated that they are comparing Tina to a California UID case, although he didn't indicate which one.

 

[Reannan]

I just spoke with Hal Brown on a separate matter, but I brought up the subject of Tina Kemp and Caledonia Jane Doe.

He said that they don't have dentals on Tina, and the family is in the process of turning in DNA-FRS kits for input to CODIS.

However, he indicated that they showed Cali's photo to Tina's five sisters and her mother, and they all unanimously agreed that she was not Tina. He said that he is waiting for DNA results before putting Tina's name on Cali's NamUs exclusions list. He only puts exclusions in NamUs if there is a scientific basis for the exclusion.

fftopic: He also indicated that they are comparing Tina to a California UID case, although he didn't indicate which one.

Bump! Any updates on this case???

 

[CarlK90245]

Bump! Any updates on this case???

Updates on what? They are satisfied it's not Tina Kemp, but if they are wrong, there will be a CODIS hit when Tina's profile is put into CODIS. And I don't know who the California girl is that they were looking at.