Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

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Originally Posted by Mark Franzeo
Did anyone notice that Monica's file was removed from doenetwork and the mexican website? It just seems like odd timeing concidering the new pollen evidence and the fact that her file was brought to the attention of the people still wroking Cali's case. I hope that this is a good lead into Cali's idenity or that the lead about Monica at the very least turned up her wearabouts if she isn;t indeed Cali.


2sisters said:
This is going to sound stupid i know. Cali has highlights in her hair. monica's hair looks very dark. Monica's hair wouldn't "lift" to such a blond color like Cali had. usually you would get a yellow/orange tone or it won't go past a light brown. that of course shouldn't rule her out.
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All of the information which was origionally available on the Mexican website was copied into my earlier post about Monica. At that time, there was an operable website with her information in Spanish, but neither I nor the New York investigator, Sgt Smith, were able to make contact with the Mexican contacts listed. Attempts were made through our FBI to contact the Mexican law enforcement authorities. I do not know the status of those attempts at this time. I have not heard that Monica's case has ever been resolved. I think that the disappearance from the website was more likely due to other reasons.

There is very little information available on Monica's disappearance. She seems to fit the general description of Cali, and the dates are close. The Southwest style jewelry, tan lines, and the pollen test information all seem to point from New York back to the Southwest US or Mexico. The limited dental work on Cali might also point to her coming from a poor area, such as Mexico. Ruling Monica out as a potential match can't be done - at least not at this point. It would be nice to have more information about Monica.
 
The limited dental work on Cali might also point to her coming from a poor area, such as Mexico.



Or that she came from an area that was rural and only had well water. If you drink well water you need flouride vitamins.
Like Poly Vi flor vitamins. Some people didnt always use them .
 
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1787dfwa.html

I had not been checking on this case in ever so long and am thrilled to see the latest movement.

Going through the doe site on Sat. I found this:

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1787dfwa.html

Cherie Wyant, disappeared from WA in 1978. At 14-15, she is right in the age range for Calie. Has dark hair, dark eyes. If one were to photoshop off the heavy eye liner and add some streaks to the hair, I wonder then if she would look younger like the image we know of Calie? Her jaw, forehead and orbital area look close in comparison.

Could she have come down from WA thru CA and then on east?

ETA:

One thing to keep in mind, when looking at the nose on the "photo" image of Calie, remember that this was built off of the Post-mort photo of "Jane" in a reclining position. This really tilts that nose way up. This is why in 2002, Wesley Neville did the art work that appears along side of the photo to demostrate what the nose would look like in an upright position. Posters from the old Yahoo Doenetwork discussion group might remember this discussion.
 
ihadcabinfever said:
The limited dental work on Cali might also point to her coming from a poor area, such as Mexico.



Or that she came from an area that was rural and only had well water. If you drink well water you need flouride vitamins.
Like Poly Vi flor vitamins. Some people didnt always use them .
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Or, like me, she could have been a dental chicken. God help me if I ever turn up missing and my skull shows up decades later. To look at my teeth, you would guess that I was some bag lady from the cracked tooth in the upper plate to the poorly patched cannie tooth and not to mention the cavities...yet nothing could be further from the truth. I just hate the dentist with every fiber of my being.;)
 
I can't remember the dates off hand, but i was wondering if this could have possibly been Audrey Nurenberg. If this doe was really killed in the late sixties seventies the glittery clothing would have been a normal i think.
 
BAD_BUTTERFLY said:
I can't remember the dates off hand, but i was wondering if this could have possibly been Audrey Nurenberg. If this doe was really killed in the late sixties seventies the glittery clothing would have been a normal i think.
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Audrey's last name is spelled Nerenberg. Here is a link to her thread on Websleuths. I have bumped it up as well.

Linking Cali to Audrey, might be a possibility, but there is a little over two years between Audrey's disappearance and Cali's murder.


LINK:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1248243#post1248243
 
Trocaria said:
Or, like me, she could have been a dental chicken. God help me if I ever turn up missing and my skull shows up decades later. To look at my teeth, you would guess that I was some bag lady from the cracked tooth in the upper plate to the poorly patched cannie tooth and not to mention the cavities...yet nothing could be further from the truth. I just hate the dentist with every fiber of my being.;)
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I was under the impression that she had dental work done at one time but not in the years prior to her death. When I was a kid, I had braces wosdom teeth removed and the whole shebang but as an adult i have been to the dentist 3 times, My last trip was in may and I had no cavities, never have had one!
 
I've seen this case around since I first got into true crime in 2001 and here are a few thoughts:

1. Hair: don't forget bleaching and then highlighting. I've seen brunettes go very blonde, even just streaks.

2. Water Source: I work for a pediatrician's office as a receptionist and there are still a lot of well water folks in the area I'm in, which is suburban. In 1979, I'm not sure how much attention would have been paid to this, but I know our docs recommend flouride treatment to these kids. I've lived in suburbia for 11 years now and everywhere I've seen has running water, and the same was true during my first 9 years of life in an urban setting. Not sure if socioeconomic status is a big factor here or not if she was from the city (I don't think a whole lot changed between 1979 and 1986) or if it could be the area she was from--perhaps their water system just wasn't good.

3. Dental work: sometimes the effects of braces are hard to spot. If you don't wear your retainers after you get them off, the teeth move back. I've heard a lot of horror stories about that. Cleaning teeth does get the teeth clean, but if you brush well enough maintaining them shouldn't be an issue. I know people who go 3 years between cleanings and I'd never suspect them of having "unclean" teeth because they brush religiously. (To the above poster--you sure are lucky, no cavities! I thought I was good, only one and I'm 20--although I got a clear composite filling so nobody knows I've ever had work done on that molar..turns out I got a cavity because I wore the enamel off from brushing too forcefully)

4. The photo: I too have noticed the nose. I didn't realize that it was a result of the post-mortem photo until I saw the post-mortem a few months ago. The photo we normally see on Doe, etc. reminds me way too much of that photo. Are there other renderings/sketches/non-post-mortem photos available that I'm not familiar with?

5. I've heard about the restaraunt and food involved here. Was there any further investigation into the owner of the place where she got the food? I'm assuming she paid by cash there (especially given that it was 1979 and not as many people used their Visa and MasterCard to pay for food) so it may be tough to track movement of people (I recall the credit card being used in the case of Mary Shotwell Little after her disappearance) but perhaps there was a waiter or someone that could see her emotions of the time? Or if she was with someone?

6. As far as her origin, I wouldn't rule out the Carolinas/Georgia.
 
2. Water Source: I work for a pediatrician's office as a receptionist and there are still a lot of well water folks in the area I'm in, which is suburban. In 1979, I'm not sure how much attention would have been paid to this, but I know our docs recommend flouride treatment to these kids. I've lived in suburbia for 11 years now and everywhere I've seen has running water, and the same was true during my first 9 years of life in an urban setting. Not sure if socioeconomic status is a big factor here or not if she was from the city (I don't think a whole lot changed between 1979 and 1986) or if it could be the area she was from--perhaps their water system just wasn't good.

I am 43 and we always had those flouride vitamins (brown liquid) because we had well water. Our Pediatrician that we went to was in Bergen County NJ and he always prescribed them . There were only 2 DR's in the area we moved to when Dad completed the house and Dr. knew we had well water. I still to this day do not have a cavity in my bottom teeth. Amazing.
 
MacPlus512 said:
4. The photo: I too have noticed the nose. I didn't realize that it was a result of the post-mortem photo until I saw the post-mortem a few months ago. The photo we normally see on Doe, etc. reminds me way too much of that photo. Are there other renderings/sketches/non-post-mortem photos available that I'm not familiar with?
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If you go to the website, www.doenetwork.org and look up the case, you will see where Wes did a front and profile drawing of the girl with her nose in the correct position as if sitting up.
 
Kathleen Shea resembles this Jane Doe, but I couldn't even begin to explain how she disappeared at age 6 from Pennsylvania and ended up a murdered teenager in New York. Still, there is a resemblence, just to throw that out there if it hasn't already been mentioned.
 
From their physical resemblance I've often thought Cali could be Shea, but there are discrepancies. Cali's bad teeth with evidence of overseas dental work, her probable California origin, and her general well-kept appearance (unusual for a kidnap victim) all go against that theory.
 
i saw a very very erie resemblance to cali and the pictures they have listed hmm its worth contacting them with the info on cali
 
I sent them a list but I didn't include Cali. She looks so much like Cali down to the hair, the tan the forehead . Incredible.
 
And it also says that Bradford picked up some of his victims at race events. Okay, now I'm getting REAL suspicious, yet I haven't seen him named as a suspect anywhere. If he hasn't yet been questioned in Cali's death, he should be.
 
Even with the picture being so small, there is a resemblance. I tried blowing the picture up in Paint Shop Pro and of course it began to blur. But the curly hair, the forehead, even the smile looks like Cali. She appears to be wearing a peasant-style top, which were very popular in Southern California in the mid-1970s. I think it's worth looking into...but did anyone ever place Bradford in upstate NY?
 
Hi
I was just looking at articles on Rosario Gonzales missing in 1984 in Florida at a racing event.she was a possible serial killer Christopher Bernard Wilder victim.He killed his victims and they posed for him the same as they did for Bradford.The sketch of the suspect last seen with Rosario did not match Wilders discription.I think the sketch looks more like Bradford.Some of Brafords victims may be christopher Bernard Wilders victims.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/suzannec4444/gonzales4.jpg

http://lacountymurders.com/wanted/LADIES1.html

suzanne
 
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