the link you provided leads to an old newspaper. the Venjiont is a transcription error. it was describing a piece of property or business between 2 streets, Vermont and Rhode Island.
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the link you provided leads to an old newspaper. the Venjiont is a transcription error. it was describing a piece of property or business between 2 streets, Vermont and Rhode Island.
Actually this Jane Doe was listed as much younger years ago. She is still listed as 8 yrs old on this website.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/mcicsearch/Flyers/FlyerCust1pic.asp?ID=3535
forgive me if any of this has been said before but I wanted to add these observations.
regarding the clothing and the pollen. I'd be interested in knowing where the pollen was found. if it was just in the jacket, that only means that the jacket had been in CA, AZ, MX or FL at one time, not necessarily Caledonia Jane Doe herself. with the tan lines, however, she certainly was in a warmer, sunnier location before she was murdered.
also, if the pollen was found in the pants, that means that she had been wearing the same pair of pants for quite some time unlaundered. I suppose it is relatively easy for her to wash panties at a truck stop, let them dry and put them on again. not so easy if they are the only clothes she's got.
I am curious as to how she wound up in Caledonia, Livingston County, NY if she had come from the South or the Southwest, especially if Boston really was her destination. the major trucking route up the east coast is I-95 and it only cuts through NY state in Manhattan (briefly like a mile or less), then the Bronx, until it goes into CT.
that she was alone at the diner is not a big shock if some kindly trucker dropped her off and gave her a few dollars for dinner. a more sinister scenario is that the killer let her get something to eat and did not want to be seen. perhaps (and this is pure speculation) at the diner she found out she was nowhere near New England and said something to her driver who then killed her as she was going to become perhaps not so complacent.
regarding the clothing and the pollen. I'd be interested in knowing where the pollen was found. if it was just in the jacket, that only means that the jacket had been in CA, AZ, MX or FL at one time, not necessarily Caledonia Jane Doe herself. with the tan lines, however, she certainly was in a warmer, sunnier location before she was murdered.
also, if the pollen was found in the pants, that means that she had been wearing the same pair of pants for quite some time unlaundered. I suppose it is relatively easy for her to wash panties at a truck stop, let them dry and put them on again. not so easy if they are the only clothes she's got.
I am curious as to how she wound up in Caledonia, Livingston County, NY if she had come from the South or the Southwest, especially if Boston really was her destination. the major trucking route up the east coast is I-95 and it only cuts through NY state in Manhattan (briefly like a mile or less), then the Bronx, until it goes into CT.
that she was alone at the diner is not a big shock if some kindly trucker dropped her off and gave her a few dollars for dinner. a more sinister scenario is that the killer let her get something to eat and did not want to be seen. perhaps (and this is pure speculation) at the diner she found out she was nowhere near New England and said something to her driver who then killed her as she was going to become perhaps not so complacent.
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Okay, I checked in to it, and yes, definitely "my bad" for not reading further, that particular "Venjiont" post online was in error. I do apologize. However, what about VenJoint? It is a legitimate company, it is in the Fulton, NY area (at least it was for a time), and is it possible that the female caller knew more about Cali's disappearance? Like the last person seen with Cali was driving for VenJoint in NY state?
Honestly, I just care about the girl. My mother lived a ridiculously hard life and is a success now, only to her own credit. She told me about a period of hitchhiking in her mid-teens (which would have been the mid-seventies), and luckily for her, the man who took her in was looking out for her. Obviously not the same for Cali-Doe, but I feel like I understand her MO, she's my mother who caught the short end of the stick, they all are, in some way.
All in all, I want to breathe some new life into this case. I hope no one minds my "theories".
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There's a new NamUs NoPhoto Casefile for a girl named O'Dina Jeanette Lucero (18), last seen in Roswell New Mexico, who fits Cali's description (Last seen August 10, 1979).
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/15070/5
It looks like Detective Burress (who is in charge of Cali's case) is looking into this case already, as his name is listed on the Police Information page of O'Dina's NamUs casefile.
I haven't been able to find a yearbook photo of her. She was in Roswell, staying with an uncle. I would guess that she isn't actually from Roswell. Mill Valley CA police is also looking into her case, but Classmates doesn't have any yearbooks for 1975-79 at the local high school in Mill Valley (Tamalpais HS).
ETA: I just realized that O'Dina is probably not Cali. O'Dina has a capped canine tooth.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/15070/5
It looks like Detective Burress (who is in charge of Cali's case) is looking into this case already, as his name is listed on the Police Information page of O'Dina's NamUs casefile.
I haven't been able to find a yearbook photo of her. She was in Roswell, staying with an uncle. I would guess that she isn't actually from Roswell. Mill Valley CA police is also looking into her case, but Classmates doesn't have any yearbooks for 1975-79 at the local high school in Mill Valley (Tamalpais HS).
ETA: I just realized that O'Dina is probably not Cali. O'Dina has a capped canine tooth.
I'm trying to clean up my comparison files so I'm going to throw this one out there. I'm sure the eyebrows don't match, but can be plucked and the nose really isn't right. Everything else looks similar. She went missing on Oct.29,1979.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bailey_andria.html
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I called Tamalpais HS in Mill Valley CA to see if she attended there. They don't have a transcript for her, so she didn't go to that school. I wonder why Mill Valley PD is looking at her case.
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Is there any girl we know of in NamUs who looks like Zendrosky but who's circumstances are far more plausible to fit Cali-Doe's case? To me, Zendrosky's facial features have been the most "on point" so far. I have issues with girls who go missing in October and who's looks to not fit Cali-Doe's. That is, unless we're tossing around the suspicion of teen prostitution, in which a missing person's feature's would definitely be altered at the time of discovery whether dead or alive. If any of the missing October girls were Cali-Doe, I would think they would need to come from a sunny region to explain the suntan, and then the rest can be explained away with a month long stint as a child prostitute disguising herself, and heading wherever the pimp/john is taking the girl. The difficult thing to explain though, is why Cali-Doe has no signs of sexual assault???
no need to apologize em. you found it by a google search. completely understandable.
what might have happened here was that whoever took the call or interviewed the person who said Venjiont, might have written the word down. could have been years later that someone attempted to add the data to the MP registries and simply misread it.
I assume (as did some others) that it was a transcription error for Vermont. since we know she came from a warmer climate, then Cali was not likely from New England, at least not in the last few months of her life.
what might have happened here was that whoever took the call or interviewed the person who said Venjiont, might have written the word down. could have been years later that someone attempted to add the data to the MP registries and simply misread it.
I assume (as did some others) that it was a transcription error for Vermont. since we know she came from a warmer climate, then Cali was not likely from New England, at least not in the last few months of her life.
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I agree that no one is likely to drive Karen around with her alive for a month in a 200 mi radius, dress her up in boyish clothing, home perm her hair, hand frost the top, and then shoot her in the head and the back, without sexual assault.
I was thinking more along the lines that she went off somewhere willingly (to a warmer area) and was returning home by hitch hiking and ran into the wrong person.
I have asked previously if anyone knew if the clothes fit Jane Doe? Likely that she chose them for herself? Or, were they thought to be borrowed? Possibly from the perp who came from one of the areas suggested due to the pollen samples? The pockets were emptied. Why would a complete and total stranger need to empty her pockets? Unless the clothes didn't belong to her? Wasn't she seen in a diner in Lima with a man the night before?
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Biggest Zendrosky issues for me:
1) Who goes bowling late at night with a sister to then run away? I wouldn't go to a kegger with my brother with the intention for heading to Arizona in a few hours, not if I've no intention of letting people know where I'm going or if my family life is that poor (Zendrosky's didn't seem to be)
2) She went missing in October. I'm from South Texas. I can speak to the fact that real tan lines are probably from a recent summer excursion and definitely not obtained quickly in the southwest between Oct. 8th and early Nov.
As for the clothing, I think the pollen doesn't hold much weight. 1)Those clothes could have been handed to our Jane Doe from the perp who handled grain for a living or who's teenage sons lived in the southwest. 2)They also look like a feeble attempt to quickly hide an identity or 3)tone down attractiveness for the purposes of "safer" hitchhiking, if there even is such a thing. And, 4)not all clothing is laundered at the thrift store or Goodwill.
I'm just saying, let's find a Zendrosky look-alike who's story fits the bill, because her's isn't cutting the mustard for me. Cali=runaway, Karen=Unwillingly Taken, and don't get me wrong, BOTH are victims.
(totally going to feel like an *advertiser censored** if Zendrosky is a perfect DNA match to Cali-Doe, but would also be OVERJOYED!!!!)
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Could you please link to the information about Zendrosky going to the bowling alley with her sister? I have looked at a couple of sources that summarize the circumstances of her disappearance and have not come across her being accompanied by her sister.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1667dfnj.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zendrosky_karen.html
I was also thinking along the lines of her running away and then being picked up by her killer.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-10-04-pollen-murder-case_x.htm
Toole and Lucas were transients/drifters. Authorities were not able to account or confirm the whereabouts of either Lucas or Toole during the time of the murder. Both men had been seen in New York State several months before the murder. Moreover, Lucas wandered aimlessly around the American South for a while. Toole was from Florida which could account for the pollen in her pockets. Like Wanting2Help, I was thinking that her clothes may have belonged to her killer since both the shirt and jacket were for males.
Regarding the tan lines, I don't think we know a time period for when the tan was acquired. If a dark tan had been acquired in late August, for example, wouldn't the tan lines still be there November 9th? I am not sure...
This is going to sound batty crazy but does anyone else see a resemblance between the man in the posted sketch and the composite of someone seen near one of the Connecticut River Valley killings? Now there are two composites of CRVK and they look pretty different but one sketch has a man with glasses and he's the one I'm thinking of:
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41814_103319683047724_4477_n.jpg
He was described as being stocky, round faced, between 20 and 25 with dark hair in 1986.
I wouldn't even normally bring it up but the other thing that gave me pause is the only surviving victim claimed her attacker also had a station wagon with wooden sides and of course the timing matches up as the CRVK was suspected to be active from 1978-1988.
Again, probably crazy and nothing but this is the first time I've seen a sketch of the POI in this case and thought I'd throw it out there. You'd also have to resolve the matter that Cali was shot and the others were all stabbed.
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I do seem some resemblance but Suzanne has green eyes and Cali has brown. Cali is also 3 inches shorter than Suzanne.
I also see Suzanne has dental info submitted but I don't see it anywhere. That would be an obvious way to rule her out since Cali has some distinctive tooth decay.
The circumstances certainly fit though. I think if Cali was in a database, she's probably a runaway who disappeared a few months or even years prior to her killing. Seeing as Suzanne disappeared in 1978 and phoned home in 1979, that scenario seems plausible.
I also see Suzanne has dental info submitted but I don't see it anywhere. That would be an obvious way to rule her out since Cali has some distinctive tooth decay.
The circumstances certainly fit though. I think if Cali was in a database, she's probably a runaway who disappeared a few months or even years prior to her killing. Seeing as Suzanne disappeared in 1978 and phoned home in 1979, that scenario seems plausible.
Sherry Roach's circumstances fit and I think she would resemble the Jane Doe if you took away the glasses.
http://doenetwork.org/cases/2989dfca.html
Sherry Elizabeth Roach
Missing since June 8, 1976 from San Mateo County, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: February 5, 1959
Age at Time of Disappearance: 17 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 115 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes. Glasses.
DNA: Available
Circumstances of Disappearance
Sherry was last seen on June 8, 1976 when she left the halfway house she was living at to take the bus to work.
She has not been seen since.
http://doenetwork.org/cases/2989dfca.html
Sherry Elizabeth Roach
Missing since June 8, 1976 from San Mateo County, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: February 5, 1959
Age at Time of Disappearance: 17 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 115 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes. Glasses.
DNA: Available
Circumstances of Disappearance
Sherry was last seen on June 8, 1976 when she left the halfway house she was living at to take the bus to work.
She has not been seen since.
I looked at Cali's dental description and it was said she had normal occlusion. I'm not a dentist but I would think that the buckteeth (or overbite) in Sherry Roach's picture would exclude her as a match as I would not consider that normal occlusion.
Hi all,
Today I saw the profile of a missing girl, and she reminded me of this Jane Doe. However she disappeared in 1967 when she was 5 years old.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/elwell_judith.html
Judith Ann Elwell
Today I saw the profile of a missing girl, and she reminded me of this Jane Doe. However she disappeared in 1967 when she was 5 years old.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/elwell_judith.html
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I can really see a resemblance between "Cali" and Judith! Is it possible Judith was kept alive by her abductor until she became a unruly teenager? Or she ran away from her abductor when she was older and met a tragic end on the road. Seems unlikely I suppose but stranger things have happened...
It would explain Cali's lack of dental/health care.
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