Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[SeeMamaRun]

Sometimes easier to compare upside down...

 

[milou69]

Hi all,

On http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/unidentified.htm#;view=Details;/Poster I saw Cali mentioned and the description differs from NamUs and the DoeNetwork:

DoeNetwork - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html
Distinguishing Characteristics: She had curly brown, shoulder length hair which had been frosted about four months before her death. The frosted hair was in the process of growing out. She had brown eyes. She was tanned and had visible bikini lines. She had no distinguishing marks. The victim had had no broken bones that would have been in a hospital's records. It didn't look as though she had received much medical attention of any kind.

NamUs - https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6583
-1/2" scar on forehead at the hairline
-1" scar on front left shoulder
-1/2" scar on outer left ankle
-tiny scar on left knee, right knee, top of right foot, right ankle, inner right thigh
-skin defect that is 3"x1" that resembles an old burn scar on inner right thigh
-Z shaped scar on right shin
-1/2" scar on left forearm
-3 small scars on left index finger
-small mole about 1.5" below outer corner of left eye

Texas DPS - http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/U...nt.asp?id=U9212001&Person=Unidentified Person
She had pierced ears and a small mole or birthmark on her lower lip, just left of midline.

This Jane Doe does have the birthmark on her lower lip but why is it not mentioned anywhere else? It also does not show up on most reconstructions?
Also, Judith Ann Elwell is not in NamUs, I hoped her DNA would be on file for comparison.

When I read the parts about the moles I decided to look at the pictures again and compare them, I'm not sure but it does look like Judith has the small mole below the outer corner of the left eye and moles on her lower lip:

Maybe someone else can look at the pictures and tell me I am going crazy? I hope that Cali will get her real name back some day.

With love, Milou69

 

[chaddylex]

Hi all,

On http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/unidentified.htm#;view=Details;/Poster I saw Cali mentioned and the description differs from NamUs and the DoeNetwork:

DoeNetwork - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html
Distinguishing Characteristics: She had curly brown, shoulder length hair which had been frosted about four months before her death. The frosted hair was in the process of growing out. She had brown eyes. She was tanned and had visible bikini lines. She had no distinguishing marks. The victim had had no broken bones that would have been in a hospital's records. It didn't look as though she had received much medical attention of any kind.

NamUs - https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6583
-1/2" scar on forehead at the hairline
-1" scar on front left shoulder
-1/2" scar on outer left ankle
-tiny scar on left knee, right knee, top of right foot, right ankle, inner right thigh
-skin defect that is 3"x1" that resembles an old burn scar on inner right thigh
-Z shaped scar on right shin
-1/2" scar on left forearm
-3 small scars on left index finger
-small mole about 1.5" below outer corner of left eye

Texas DPS - http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/U...nt.asp?id=U9212001&Person=Unidentified Person
She had pierced ears and a small mole or birthmark on her lower lip, just left of midline.

This Jane Doe does have the birthmark on her lower lip but why is it not mentioned anywhere else? It also does not show up on most reconstructions?
Also, Judith Ann Elwell is not in NamUs, I hoped her DNA would be on file for comparison.

When I read the parts about the moles I decided to look at the pictures again and compare them, I'm not sure but it does look like Judith has the small mole below the outer corner of the left eye and moles on her lower lip:

Maybe someone else can look at the pictures and tell me I am going crazy? I hope that Cali will get her real name back some day.

With love, Milou69

Milou69,


I think you should contact the people that are listed in NamUs for Cali's about this possible match. https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6583

She has went unidentified for so long, what can it hurt. I see the resemblence between the two..

 

[q64ceo]

Hi all,

On http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/unidentified.htm#;view=Details;/Poster I saw Cali mentioned and the description differs from NamUs and the DoeNetwork:

DoeNetwork - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html
Distinguishing Characteristics: She had curly brown, shoulder length hair which had been frosted about four months before her death. The frosted hair was in the process of growing out. She had brown eyes. She was tanned and had visible bikini lines. She had no distinguishing marks. The victim had had no broken bones that would have been in a hospital's records. It didn't look as though she had received much medical attention of any kind.

NamUs - https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6583
-1/2" scar on forehead at the hairline
-1" scar on front left shoulder
-1/2" scar on outer left ankle
-tiny scar on left knee, right knee, top of right foot, right ankle, inner right thigh
-skin defect that is 3"x1" that resembles an old burn scar on inner right thigh
-Z shaped scar on right shin
-1/2" scar on left forearm
-3 small scars on left index finger
-small mole about 1.5" below outer corner of left eye

Texas DPS - http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/U...nt.asp?id=U9212001&Person=Unidentified Person
She had pierced ears and a small mole or birthmark on her lower lip, just left of midline.

This Jane Doe does have the birthmark on her lower lip but why is it not mentioned anywhere else? It also does not show up on most reconstructions?
Also, Judith Ann Elwell is not in NamUs, I hoped her DNA would be on file for comparison.

When I read the parts about the moles I decided to look at the pictures again and compare them, I'm not sure but it does look like Judith has the small mole below the outer corner of the left eye and moles on her lower lip:

Maybe someone else can look at the pictures and tell me I am going crazy? I hope that Cali will get her real name back some day.

With love, Milou69

Holy ****

ITS HER

Bout ****ing time

Call it in, CALL IT IN

 

[Angie4b1g]

I agree, call it in. I see nothing that jumps out as a "it can't be". And if it IS her, it would explain lots.

 

[CherBearSTL]

I would say that having moles on your lip isn't all that common. The fact that these 2 have them and they are close to being in the same spot makes it a very likely match. Very good work everyone!!! I hope it's her.

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[milou69]

Hi all,

Since I live in the Netherlands it would be better if someone who lives in the USA and possibly someone who knows more about this case called it in? I have no idea how this would work and no experience at all.

q64ceo offered to call it in (thank you so much!) and I really hope that maybe CarlK90245 will have a look at this comparison too and give his opinion?

 

[Wanting2Help]

Hi all,

Since I live in the Netherlands it would be better if someone who lives in the USA and possibly someone who knows more about this case called it in? I have no idea how this would work and no experience at all.

q64ceo offered to call it in (thank you so much!) and I really hope that maybe CarlK90245 will have a look at this comparison too and give his opinion?

Did anyone ask CarlK to look at it?

 

[milou69]

@Wanting2Help Should I send CarlK90245 a private message to ask him?

 

[SeeMamaRun]

This Jane Doe does have the birthmark on her lower lip but why is it not mentioned anywhere else? It also does not show up on most reconstructions?
Also, Judith Ann Elwell is not in NamUs, I hoped her DNA would be on file for comparison.

Great job with the mole comparisons! I think we're on to something!

I read somewhere that Judith's brother is alive and looking for her. Hopefully that is still the case and he can provide dna. Wouldn't it be amazing!?

Who's going to call it in? I have no experience with such a thing but I can if no one else is able/willing.

Cali has been on my heart for so long. I would love to bring her home.

 

[q64ceo]

Hi all,

Since I live in the Netherlands it would be better if someone who lives in the USA and possibly someone who knows more about this case called it in? I have no idea how this would work and no experience at all.

q64ceo offered to call it in (thank you so much!) and I really hope that maybe CarlK90245 will have a look at this comparison too and give his opinion?

tdougherty@co.livingston.ny.us

I have been in contact with him before when I submitted Elsie's name months ago. He is the primary.

 

[Wanting2Help]

tdougherty@co.livingston.ny.us

I have been in contact with him before when I submitted Elsie's name months ago. He is the primary.

q64ceo are you going to submit this?

 

[traacker13]

WOW~! Judith looks JUST like Cali. Great work, milou69!

 

[q64ceo]

Called it in, got an answering machine.

Will report back when I hear something

 

[SeeMamaRun]

Thank you q64ceo! I hope you hear something soon!

I know we all want to know where "Cali's" story began <3

 

[milou69]

Called it in, got an answering machine.

Will report back when I hear something

Thank you so very much!

 

[q64ceo]

I just got to say one thing, milou69

Your attention to detail is remarkable. 12 years missing. No one would have gone that far back.

Holy ****, man

This is a historic moment for Websleuths. She is one of the most well known Jane Does out there. She even has a wikipedia entry.

Its just amazing. I am euphoric right now.

 

[milou69]

Thank you, I know it is very unlikely for Judith to have been alive for 12 years after her kidnapping but after seeing her picture I had to post it here, I hope it is not all a coincidence..

 

[q64ceo]

Thank you, I know it is very unlikely for Judith to have been alive for 12 years after her kidnapping but after seeing her picture I had to post it here, I hope it is not all a coincidence..

Jaycee Lee Dugard was held captive for 18 years. It is not unheard of.

NY Jane Doe was severely neglected which over a period of twelve years would result in the medical issues she would have. It makes absolutely perfect sense.

Now, the only thing that is still up in the air is why was she trying to get to Boston? If she was a victim of abduction, and she was traveling alone, why wouldnt she go to the police?

That is the only major issue that needs to be resolved

 

[chaddylex]

@Wanting2Help Should I send CarlK90245 a private message to ask him?

Carl is my go to guy when I go and submit a match... he has very good eyes when it comes to this.

Carl might even have a different contact for Cali... I know he been involved with figuring out who this UID is!