NY NY - Ellery, Rte 17, WhtFem 30-37, UP15489 193UFNY, GSW, poss from Canada or Europe, note, clothes, Dec'83
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AFAIK, I can't say that the mafia tried to hide the victim identity, at least not the Italian mafia.
Quite the opposite.
So, I doubt that the mafia did it.
The article solidifies my opinion that it's a politically motivated crime linked to a dictature, most likely South African apartheid. Albania is the least likely in my opinion: People's Socialist Republic of Albania - Wikipedia I know, Wikipedia.
I considered Albania because of ties with Italy, but the way the dictature of Enver Hoxha worked makes me think that she is highly unlikely from Albania.
The way the UID was killed and made her unidentifiable is consistant with a politically motivated crime linked to a dictature.
A mafia hit would not take such lengths at hiding the victim identity, the opposite.
But correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't believe that it was a drug motivated crime as there was no evidence of addiction on the toxicology report + her excellent dental care + no evidence of past substance consumption on her body.
Quite the opposite.
So, I doubt that the mafia did it.
The article solidifies my opinion that it's a politically motivated crime linked to a dictature, most likely South African apartheid. Albania is the least likely in my opinion: People's Socialist Republic of Albania - Wikipedia I know, Wikipedia.
I considered Albania because of ties with Italy, but the way the dictature of Enver Hoxha worked makes me think that she is highly unlikely from Albania.
The way the UID was killed and made her unidentifiable is consistant with a politically motivated crime linked to a dictature.
A mafia hit would not take such lengths at hiding the victim identity, the opposite.
But correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't believe that it was a drug motivated crime as there was no evidence of addiction on the toxicology report + her excellent dental care + no evidence of past substance consumption on her body.
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Glad to see that after all these years, the Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Office finally set up an official Facebook page for her. They call her Chautauqua County Jane Doe, but she is also known as Ellery Doe (a name I personally like better). Her original FB page can be found here.
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Should we post the possible match Erzebeth Szita Service de police de la Ville de Montréal - SPVM on there and ask for a rule out?
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I prefer Ellery Doe too, because it's hard for me to spell the other name
after all this time it still doesn't stick.I just had a conversation with a retired prosecutor who has been himself victim of apartheid.
1) For apartheid SA standards, she would not had been quite white, but belonging to colored.
2) For him, the way she was shot is consistant with a killing of apartheid regime. He confirmed to me that yes, they also killed abroad, even in Western countries.
I am waiting for the person working on apartheid-era crimes finding the victims for the SA prosecution to get to know more.
1) For apartheid SA standards, she would not had been quite white, but belonging to colored.
2) For him, the way she was shot is consistant with a killing of apartheid regime. He confirmed to me that yes, they also killed abroad, even in Western countries.
I am waiting for the person working on apartheid-era crimes finding the victims for the SA prosecution to get to know more.
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What is colored? In what way she would not be considered white? The only thing I can think of she MAYBE was advocating against apartheid and in that way some kind of threat for certain people. Was it common for this kind of killings to dishonor her....remember no shoes, panties were reported.
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Column: Why is ‘people of color’ OK but not ‘colored people’? A reading list for white folks
''Now, in 2020, “people of color” often is used to refer to the collective group of non-white Americans. It is offensive to single blacks out as “colored.”
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Column: Why is ‘people of color’ OK but not ‘colored people’? A reading list for white folks
''Now, in 2020, “people of color” often is used to refer to the collective group of non-white Americans. It is offensive to single blacks out as “colored.”
The regime had racial classifications in those days, see Population Registration Act, 1950 - Wikipedia
I know, Wikipedia
And yes, the regime considered opponents as worse than animals. So killing to deshonor her is sadly in line with the regime mindset in those days.
The regime had racial classifications in those days, see Population Registration Act, 1950 - Wikipedia
I know, Wikipedia
I understand.
Just remember that the person with whom I was talking is in South Africa and per the South Africa law in those days, she was classified as "Colored", meaning nor Black nor White.
Source: Population Registration Act, 1950 - Wikipedia
See picture from Wikipedia explaining the racial classification in South Africa during apartheid era.
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Where does this apply to Ellery Doe, listed as white/Caucasian (a slight possibility she had some native blood, but I don't even see that, considering the European link)
Her skin color was not white enough for being considered "white". Ditto for her facial features.
In this case, quoting from Wikipedia for the characteristics:
Being classified as "White" for the US doesn't mean that it's the same in South Africa.
And even if she were classified as white by Pretoria regime standards, they did kill white activists.
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So Italian people were not considered white? Olive colored skin, brown hair, brown eyes...dominantly?
Not always. If they could find such racial admixture like in our Jane Doe, she was considered as "Colored".
If Jane Doe's skin color were wither, that would had been another story.
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What racial admixture?
Remember, we thought that she was possibly of First Nations.
Her slightly almond-shaped eyes, high cheeckbones + her skin color made her classified as "colored" in South Africa. These facial features made her classified as "mixed race", thus colored.
Thank God that law I refer about has been repealed for good!
Her slightly almond-shaped eyes, high cheeckbones + her skin color made her classified as "colored" in South Africa. These facial features made her classified as "mixed race", thus colored.
Thank God that law I refer about has been repealed for good!
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Ok, but that doesn't "proof" she was killed because or in relation with the apartheid regime. I'm sorry GiucO, I try to keep an open mind to every possibility. but I'm afraid you just can't get me over 100% in your "camp"....(no harm meant with this wording)
It doesn't prove anything. I raised this issue because when we deal with different countries, or with historical aspects, or both, we have to be mindful not to be US-centric.
Hence the different racial classification.
Without understanding this context, the way SA vs US operated racial classifications, we can make major mistakes for potential matching.
Even if she were classified as "white" per the apartheid law, she would had been killed as an activist.
So, I don't think that the different racial classification proves anything. I only brought it up because when I or anyone else dig up into the topic, we have to be mindful about such aspects.
When I, or anyone else, dig up at available victim files (especially a race classification certificate of those days) or statements, do not discount a potential match because SA didn't classify her as white.
If a PM is classified as "Colored" in the SA statement while US classifies her as "White", it's not a blatant inconsistency.
That's what the retired SA prosecutor told me.
But let me check with someone whom task is finding the missing persons during the apartheid era at SA prosecution.
Right now, I am waiting for more information.
Hence the different racial classification.
Without understanding this context, the way SA vs US operated racial classifications, we can make major mistakes for potential matching.
Even if she were classified as "white" per the apartheid law, she would had been killed as an activist.
So, I don't think that the different racial classification proves anything. I only brought it up because when I or anyone else dig up into the topic, we have to be mindful about such aspects.
When I, or anyone else, dig up at available victim files (especially a race classification certificate of those days) or statements, do not discount a potential match because SA didn't classify her as white.
If a PM is classified as "Colored" in the SA statement while US classifies her as "White", it's not a blatant inconsistency.
That's what the retired SA prosecutor told me.
But let me check with someone whom task is finding the missing persons during the apartheid era at SA prosecution.
Right now, I am waiting for more information.
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Ok, going back at the TRC website for looking potential matches, even if I don't hope getting anything more than what we already parsed.
This time, I have to search in "missing in exile" and "disappearances". Last time I was on it, I haven't looked well enough the cases of missing in exile.
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This time, I have to search in "missing in exile" and "disappearances". Last time I was on it, I haven't looked well enough the cases of missing in exile.
Truth and Reconciliation Commission