Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 8

[csleuth]

I've said it in previous posts but I'll go ahead and reiterate and add to my opinion on this.
I think controlling what the children see and read on things like facebook and forums like this one is very easy to do for someone in the IT industry(if they are being parented as they should be). What is written and said in MSM however, not so easy. I say this because even if they don't see or hear it with their own eyes, the likelihood of people or kids they know reading or hearing and talking about MSM increases drastically.

If you look at it that way (and likely even if you don't)...you will see that the things that have been said about Jennifer, much of which can not even be backed up by real proof, are extremely hurtful.

I.E.-Jennifer had a mental "break".
Jennifer had unhealthy weight loss (it has never been proven that it was "unhealthy", but implying so is very hurtful).
Jennifer was so different and had changed so much that GR and the kids didn't even miss the person she had become (again-no one has come forward to back up this claim).
Jennifer had become obsessed with gaming (proven? Nope!)
Jennifer probably took off with an online companion (the only person who came close to corroborating this wanted to remain anonymous, which speaks volumes imo).
All of the above has been said in MSM by either a "close friend" of their mother or their father.....about their mother!!!

Now lets look at what has been said about GR in MSM....
He was last to see her alive (FACT!)
He had a "tryst" and admitted to it himself. (FACT!)
Am I missing other things? If so, please feel free to add...

Who is saying things that could potentially hurt the kids feelings? Who has a fighting chance of defending themselves about the things being said? Those are things he has had the nerve to bring up in MSM. Why would a man say all of those things about his missing/deceased wife, and not mention the wonderful things she had done? If someone can talk like that about their missing/deceased spouse to anyone willing to listen, I can only imagine what is being said behind closed doors!

So....people can throw guilt trips out at me like the one above all day long. I'm not phased by it. I'll start regretting, feeling guilty, and apologizing for the things I've said just as soon as GR does the same.

Unfortunately the other day one of Jen's kids was being bullied on the bus about her death. Thankfully my son stepped in and stopped it. It infuriates me that they have to deal with this on top of the loss of their mother.

 

[fringles]

Unfortunately the other day one of Jen's kids was being bullied on the bus about her death. Thankfully my son stepped in and stopped it. It infuriates me that they have to deal with this on top of the loss of their mother.

This is terrible. What kind of child bullies another about a tragedy in the family? I don't want to tell you what to do but I'd suggest calling the bully's parents, so they can cut that kids behaviour right out. Well done your son.

 

[LivingJuicy]

It was my understanding that ES is back home and denying any trysting, so hopefully it's not happening.

I haven't checked today or anything but last I recall, ES was back to being single.


Wolf, I don't think we should get our hopes up.

:snake:

 

[LivingJuicy]

My understanding was the same. It is not my understanding any longer. Things have changed.

Geez, I just posted off of Wolf's had I only read one more post.

Are you kidding me?


I swear I am 2.5 seconds away from buying a ticket to NY to just sit on the side of the road and watch this craziness.

Come on LE...

:jail:

 

[Jilllian]

Unfortunately the other day one of Jen's kids was being bullied on the bus about her death. Thankfully my son stepped in and stopped it. It infuriates me that they have to deal with this on top of the loss of their mother.

Unfortunately the other day one of Jen's kids was being bullied on the bus about her death. Thankfully my son stepped in and stopped it. It infuriates me that they have to deal with this on top of the loss of their mother.

wow - lots of new people flooding WS.

interesting about the bullying. i would have thought that even the cruelest of bullies drew the line at death of a kid's mother, especially murder of a kid's mother.

schools are mandated by law to intervene in school bullying situations, even on the bus. the school should provide tutoring outside of school for these kids (say, at the local library), until the dust settles. i wouldn't send my kid to school if they were being bullied, and it's up to the school to do something about it.

wonder if GR will follow through with that.

 

[LivingJuicy]

Unfortunately the other day one of Jen's kids was being bullied on the bus about her death. Thankfully my son stepped in and stopped it. It infuriates me that they have to deal with this on top of the loss of their mother.

Awe, this breaks my heart. Please pat your son on the back. He did the right thing..

:heartbeat:

 

[yupikgirl]

Geez, I just posted off of Wolf's had I only read one more post.

Are you kidding me?


I swear I am 2.5 seconds away from buying a ticket to NY to just sit on the side of the road and watch this craziness.

Come on LE...

:jail:

I know right i think ill join you. My inlaws live not to far and wouldn't mind the company.....unfortunately I'm a 25 hour plane ride away, but they are super nice people the offer still stands :floorlaugh:

 

[Peekerfoo]

I think the children being bullied is just one more reason why, if GR passed the polygraph, perhaps LE should say so.

If not... then the children will need even more help than they need now.

 

[voominvava]

SNIPPED

He also said the only life insurance policy he has for himself and his wife “was taken out many, many years ago” through his employer, IBM, and that no changes have been made in recent years.
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van/print



As opposed to what? Say last November? Protesteth much?

Keep up the great work everyone. I feel there WILL be justice for Dear Jennifer!

:moo: of course

Ditto!! Just what I was thinking ... :what:

 

[csleuth]

wow - lots of new people flooding WS.

interesting about the bullying. i would have thought that even the cruelest of bullies drew the line at death of a kid's mother, especially murder of a kid's mother.

schools are mandated by law to intervene in school bullying situations, even on the bus. the school should provide tutoring outside of school for these kids (say, at the local library), until the dust settles. i wouldn't send my kid to school if they were being bullied, and it's up to the school to do something about it.

wonder if GR will follow through with that.

The bus driver stopped the bus when he was made aware and dealt with the parties involved. Monday morning I'm calling the school to notify them as well. I know everyone has their theories of what happened, as do I. It's so important for parents to remember to be aware of what they are saying in front of their children.

 

[zwiebel]

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman/print

“Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,” the posting continued. “She has never left home and not keep in contact within 2-3 hours via phone or text. She would never miss our daughters’ Winter Concert last night or her birthday tomorrow. I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound. The kids and I miss her so much, her laugh, her quirkiness, just everything. Today I went to Walmart and I grabbed my cell to call home and ask her a question about which item I should purchase and reality smacked me in the face and I started crying uncontrollably! That was rough! I am strong and I know the kids and I will get through this.”

Elaborating on the ordeal, Ganesh Ramsaran went on: “All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case. The helplessness and the not knowing is an additional nightmare which I can’t escape from right now. The lack of sleep, the loss of appetite, the stress of not knowing, the worrying where and how she is doing is a burden that I never thought I would have to carry but life comes with some curve balls.”

Lost hope and faith a week after she went missing, yet was convinced she met someone online and formed a relationship with him?

Sounds like a novelist trying out different storylines, until they find one that fits.

 

[voominvava]

If one is truly grieving as well as trying to take care of devastated motherless children, if one is innocent- would one be on television giving interviews, reading opinions of people on the internet, spend time "liking" things and worrying about what strangers think?

Out of respect for your in-laws and children, would one still be constant companion of one's tryst- while your loved one is missing, found, identified, buried, and remembered?

I don't think the one you speak of, has the ability of devastation, his primary concern is himself and keeping up his appearance and popularity. :moo:

(It makes me sick, his behaviour.)

 

[zwiebel]

Actually, thinking about it, I have never heard a missing person's loved one list their feelings like that, in that impersonal way. Not;
"I can't sleep, I can't eat, I'm stressed (odd word. Shouldn't it be devastated or something?)
But;
'The lack of sleep, the loss of appetite, the stress of not knowing'.

There is definitely something odd about it. Almost as though he is one step removed or it's happening to someone else. Very odd indeed.

 

[voominvava]

I would imagine that would depend on who is charged for her murder.

:rocker:

I would also imagine, if the person that commits the murder actually cared about the children of the victim, they wouldn't do it in the first place. :furious:

 

[SyraKelly]

I've been watching this case from afar.I did not attend the memorial b/c I didn't think I could stand there & watch GR,he just makes me nauseous!I also felt like being there would have been supporting him & I was not going to do that!!

If he is arrested & this goes to trial..I will be there!!
You all are wonderful people!

 

[zwiebel]

I don't think the one you speak of, has the ability of devastation, his primary concern is himself and keeping up his appearance and popularity. :moo:

(It makes me sick, his behaviour.)

I was just posting a query about why he hadn't used the word devastated, just as you were posting that you didn't think he had the ability!

 

[voominvava]

I can't remember when, but one of our insiders here posted that GR had told his eldest child that Jennifer had run off and left them. I honestly think that, his total disinterest in looking for their mother and his constant subtle assassination of her character, will be the thing that causes them most pain down the line. If they came here, I think they will see painful things - but what they will also see is that everyone here understood from the get-go that Jennifer would never, ever leave her children. They will also see people who wanted desperately to help, either on the ground or by getting her name out round the world, being blocked by their father. People who have tried never to forget how beautiful Jennifer was - and that was without knowing her true story (girl scouts, carer etc) - because the person who should have been singing that to the skies thought it was more important we saw Jennifer as an internet addicted middle life crisis.

Unfortunately it happens in many cases that things will be out there that those involved will be hurt by if they read or hear them - but that is part of life, and it happens on and off the internet.

Not so subtle, unfortunately ... :twocents:

 

[Jilllian]

I've been watching this case from afar.I did not attend the memorial b/c I didn't think I could stand there & watch GR,he just makes me nauseous!I also felt like being there would have been supporting him & I was not going to do that!!

If he is arrested & this goes to trial..I will be there!!
You all are wonderful people!

there are some of us who were there and definitely not supporting him, or the freak show the "shining hope event" was, complete with a tip jar with dollar bills put into it (it was a mason jar) prior to people's arrival, right next to pictures of jennifer.

i'm glad you missed the lack of class that was on full display at this event, as well as the theme of celebrating, while jen's frozen body was about 10 miles away.

 

[voominvava]

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman/print

“Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,” the posting continued. “She has never left home and not keep in contact within 2-3 hours via phone or text. She would never miss our daughters’ Winter Concert last night or her birthday tomorrow. I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound. The kids and I miss her so much, her laugh, her quirkiness, just everything. Today I went to Walmart and I grabbed my cell to call home and ask her a question about which item I should purchase and reality smacked me in the face and I started crying uncontrollably! That was rough! I am strong and I know the kids and I will get through this.”

Elaborating on the ordeal, Ganesh Ramsaran went on: “All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case. The helplessness and the not knowing is an additional nightmare which I can’t escape from right now. The lack of sleep, the loss of appetite, the stress of not knowing, the worrying where and how she is doing is a burden that I never thought I would have to carry but life comes with some curve balls.”

Lost hope and faith a week after she went missing, yet was convinced she met someone online and formed a relationship with him?

:banghead: totally! And that is just chock full of me, me, ME MEEEEEE LOOK AT MEEE something bad happened to MEEEEEEEEEE

sorry, the time change must be affecting MEEEEEE :furious:


ETA: "curve balls?!?" Seriously, who would ever call a missing wife who, at that moment, you think is not safe and sound, a CURVE ball?

 

[SyraKelly]

there are some of us who were there and definitely not supporting him, or the freak show the "shining hope event" was, complete with a tip jar with dollar bills put into it (it was a mason jar) prior to people's arrival, right next to pictures of jennifer.

i'm glad you missed the lack of class that was on full display at this event, as well as the theme of celebrating, while jen's frozen body was about 10 miles away.

I saw some of the pics where he is smiling.I was glad I did not attend,as I decided to honor her in my own private way!