NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

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Give me a few minutes to stream and capture.

You guys also want the 12 minute Sherre Gilbert interview and the Suffolk Police Commissioner interview?
 
Give me a few minutes to stream and capture.

You guys also want the 12 minute Sherre Gilbert interview and the Suffolk Police Commissioner interview?

Chris,

Yes the Sherri Gilbert and Dormer interviews would be great too!

Thanks!
 
Chris,

Yes the Sherri Gilbert and Dormer interviews would be great too!

Thanks!

to be specific, I think it was in the post special, "Full Dormer interview" when the news12 anchor specifies that CPH stated that he "never called".
I would like to find the video where it comes directly from CPH's mouth that "he never called"

it would be fun to put a video/edit together of the 3 statements from CPH :)

I wonder how many lures (escorts) LE has put in the water to try and catch this SK. I wonder how long he can hold back, and I wonder if he will try to catch prey using something besides craigslist or backpage.
 
I found it interesting that they said on News 12 that the Manorville victims found on Ocean Parkway were buried. Were the other parts of their bodies (I feel horrible writing those words but I don't know how else to say it) buried or on the surface in Manorville? Also, none of the GB4 were buried, right? They were wrapped in burlap but placed on the ground? I don't know exactly what my point is, I'm just trying to figure out whether I think the GB4 and Manorville victims are connected.
 
All 3 videos will go live on Vimeo in about 30 minutes. I will post links below when they are live.

Sorry for the crappy quality, I had low quality .FLV's to work with. Enjoy. TURN YOUR VOLUME DOWN...These levels are peaking.

Search for a Serial Killer special from News 12.

[ame="http://vimeo.com/27345142"]http://vimeo.com/27345142[/ame]

Sherre Gilbert Interview:

[ame="http://vimeo.com/27346166"]http://vimeo.com/27346166[/ame]

Dormer Interview:

[ame="http://vimeo.com/27345847"]http://vimeo.com/27345847[/ame]
 
After watching Dormer's interview, I am starting to get a different scenario forming in my mind. I think Shannan may have exited Oak Beach on foot and made her way onto the Ocean Parkway heading west towards Jones Beach. Someone may have seen her walking along the Ocean Parkway that night and reported it to police at some point. That may have led the K-9 officer to search in that direction along the Ocean Parkway. It is a good possibility that the serial killer came upon her walking on the Ocean Parkway and picked her up. Or maybe someone else picked her up and killed her.

Another possibility is that for some reason or another, the SCPD didn't believe MP's story and felt that he took Shannan from Oak Beach and drove west along the Ocean Parkway and may have disposed of her body along the way back to Queens.

I have said from the beginning that I do NOT believe that the K-9 officer was searching by Gilgo just based on luck. I think they were guided to search that area based on information they had. This interview reinforces that opinion for me.

Thanks for posting PickleChris!! You Rock!
 
After watching Dormer's interview, I am starting to get a different scenario forming in my mind. I think Shannan may have exited Oak Beach on foot and made her way onto the Ocean Parkway heading west towards Jones Beach. Someone may have seen her walking along the Ocean Parkway that night and reported it to police at some point. That may have led the K-9 officer to search in that direction along the Ocean Parkway. It is a good possibility that the serial killer came upon her walking on the Ocean Parkway and picked her up. Or maybe someone else picked her up and killed her.

Another possibility is that for some reason or another, the SCPD didn't believe MP's story and felt that he took Shannan from Oak Beach and drove west along the Ocean Parkway and may have disposed of her body along the way back to Queens.

I have said from the beginning that I do NOT believe that the K-9 officer was searching by Gilgo just based on luck. I think they were guided to search that area based on information they had. This interview reinforces that opinion for me.

Thanks for posting PickleChris!! You Rock!

Watching Shannan's sister Sherre's interview is very touching, especially at the end. And during the interview she mentions that Shannan may have been picked up while hitch-hiking. I wonder if she has ever received any information from the police or others to lead her to offer that possibility.
 
All 3 videos will go live on Vimeo in about 30 minutes. I will post links below when they are live.
Thanks for these links. The sister's & dormer's comments, along with the GC interview on the LISK site ( link ) supports the possibility that the SK may be an outlier who hits the sex-party scene and follows/abducts the girls afterwards.
 
Anyone hear of Andrew Urdiales? If you haven't, that story is worth a read. Why? Imho, Shannan's 911 call is, to some extent, reminiscent of the call that broke Urdiales case wide open. ( link )

Then, in April 1997, Indiana police contacted McGrath with a tip. A prostitute had called them from a seedy motel. They said she and her customer, a man named Andrew Urdiales, were having a fight, partly over his unusual requests.

"When they learned what Andrew Urdiales wanted to do to her and where he wanted to do it, they focused on Urdiales," says McKay.

He wanted to duct tape and handcuff her, the prostitute said, and take her in the back of his pickup truck out to Wolf Lake.

"She knew what had happened at Wolf Lake?" Spencer asks McGrath.

"Yes, she did," he replies. "And she wasn't having any part of that."
 
I appreciate your thought about him. But even if he has nothing to do with any of these murders, he is still an odd duck worthy of study. There are simply too many Circumstantial possibilities about him and what he could have become after all those years. Things happen to the best of people we will agree, I am sure.
He is def an odd duck, that's for certain. However, I am reminded of another odd duck, one who many were certain was guilty as sin...

Vanished: Missing
Girls Mystery
Sympathetic Stranger or Suspect?
Tim Bindner describes himself as a good Samaritan. (ABCNEWS.com, cached link )

Jan. 16 — Three days after 7-year-old Amber Swartz disappeared from her Pinole, Calif., yard in June 1988, a stranger came by to tell her mother that he had been searching the nearby woods for the little girl.

[...]

Five months later, another little girl, 9-year-old Michaela Garecht, disappeared in Hayward, a nearby town. Bindner showed up again, asking Michaela's mother if he could help find her daughter. Michaela had been abducted while buying candy with a friend, who heard a muffled cry and turned around to see her friend being kidnapped by a white male.

[...]

Birthday Greetings From a Stranger

Bindner's name surfaced again in the Nikki Campbell investigation. Months before Nikki disappeared, a worried couple in the same Fairfield neighborhood told police their 12-year-old daughter was getting odd mail, with the letters written backward so they could only be read in a mirror.

The person who had sent the letters was Bindner, a 43-year-old married man who worked at a sewage treatment plant. It turned out Bindner had been writing to lots of young girls, often sending birthday greetings.

[...]

'Accumulation of Coincidence'

[...]

Bindner once wrote a letter to law enforcement speculating that the next girl to disappear would be 9. Then, 9-year-old Michaela disappeared. On another occasion, Bindner sent a Christmas card to an FBI profiler with an image of a little girl holding up four fingers. Shortly after, 4-year-old Nikki disappeared.

Police bloodhounds also picked up Amber Swartz's scent at Angela Bugay's gravesite, which Bindner often visited. Police said dogs later picked up Nikki's scent at the gravesite.

[...]

Investigators in the Nikki Campbell case questioned Bindner, and named him a suspect in 1992. But bloodhound evidence is too unreliable to be presented in court, and prosecutors never found evidence to support criminal charges against Bindner. Next month, another man goes to trial on charges that he murdered Bugay.

Delivering Little Girls to Jesus

[...]

When she asked what he thought happened to the girls when they were taken, Goldston remembers him saying: "'Well, you know, one of them was sweet and shy and didn't say a thing, but the other went kicking and screaming.'" Then, she said, he added, "'I'm just guessing that that's what they would have said.'"

[...]

A Taunting Game?

Goldston said it seemed he was purposely toying with both investigators and reporters. "Whether he is the person who took the girls, I don't know," she said, "but I felt that he went out of his way to make me think that he had."

Kim Swartz, who had developed a bizarre friendship with Bindner at the urging of police, agreed that it seemed to be a game to Bindner.

"He was walking that fine line, knowing exactly where he can go with it," she said."I think he was getting off on taunting me and my family."

[...]

A Good Samaritan

Bindner refused to be interviewed on camera, but he agreed to speak with ABCNEWS off camera.

He said he was simply trying to help find the missing girls, and described himself as a good Samaritan. In fact, Bindner does have a record of helping others: He was given an award for heroism by the California Highway Patrol for assisting in the rescue efforts after the 1989 earthquake. He continues to insist that he had nothing to do with the girls' disappearances.

[...]

Philpin said that in some of the cases neither he, nor Swartz, nor any of the investigators have been able to rule Bindner in as a supsect or rule him out.

"It's a stalemate," said Philpin. "In the end, all the pieces of this particular puzzle just don't come together."

John Philpin, who is a forensic psych out of Harvard, also wrote a book regarding this case. ( link )
 
Anyone hear of Andrew Urdiales? If you haven't, that story is worth a read. Why? Imho, Shannan's 911 call is, to some extent, reminiscent of the call that broke Urdiales case wide open. ( link )

Then, in April 1997, Indiana police contacted McGrath with a tip. A prostitute had called them from a seedy motel. They said she and her customer, a man named Andrew Urdiales, were having a fight, partly over his unusual requests.

"When they learned what Andrew Urdiales wanted to do to her and where he wanted to do it, they focused on Urdiales," says McKay.

He wanted to duct tape and handcuff her, the prostitute said, and take her in the back of his pickup truck out to Wolf Lake.

"She knew what had happened at Wolf Lake?" Spencer asks McGrath.

"Yes, she did," he replies. "And she wasn't having any part of that."

You are right. In some ways it does. Here's another link about Urdiales. He was vicious!

http://skcentral.com/articles.php?article_id=3
 
He is def an odd duck, that's for certain. However, I am reminded of another odd duck, one who many were certain was guilty as sin...

Vanished: Missing
Girls Mystery
Sympathetic Stranger or Suspect?
Tim Bindner describes himself as a good Samaritan. (ABCNEWS.com, cached link )

Jan. 16 — Three days after 7-year-old Amber Swartz disappeared from her Pinole, Calif., yard in June 1988, a stranger came by to tell her mother that he had been searching the nearby woods for the little girl.

[...]

Five months later, another little girl, 9-year-old Michaela Garecht, disappeared in Hayward, a nearby town. Bindner showed up again, asking Michaela's mother if he could help find her daughter. Michaela had been abducted while buying candy with a friend, who heard a muffled cry and turned around to see her friend being kidnapped by a white male.

[...]

Birthday Greetings From a Stranger

Bindner's name surfaced again in the Nikki Campbell investigation. Months before Nikki disappeared, a worried couple in the same Fairfield neighborhood told police their 12-year-old daughter was getting odd mail, with the letters written backward so they could only be read in a mirror.

The person who had sent the letters was Bindner, a 43-year-old married man who worked at a sewage treatment plant. It turned out Bindner had been writing to lots of young girls, often sending birthday greetings.

[...]

'Accumulation of Coincidence'

[...]

Bindner once wrote a letter to law enforcement speculating that the next girl to disappear would be 9. Then, 9-year-old Michaela disappeared. On another occasion, Bindner sent a Christmas card to an FBI profiler with an image of a little girl holding up four fingers. Shortly after, 4-year-old Nikki disappeared.

Police bloodhounds also picked up Amber Swartz's scent at Angela Bugay's gravesite, which Bindner often visited. Police said dogs later picked up Nikki's scent at the gravesite.

[...]

Investigators in the Nikki Campbell case questioned Bindner, and named him a suspect in 1992. But bloodhound evidence is too unreliable to be presented in court, and prosecutors never found evidence to support criminal charges against Bindner. Next month, another man goes to trial on charges that he murdered Bugay.

Delivering Little Girls to Jesus

[...]

When she asked what he thought happened to the girls when they were taken, Goldston remembers him saying: "'Well, you know, one of them was sweet and shy and didn't say a thing, but the other went kicking and screaming.'" Then, she said, he added, "'I'm just guessing that that's what they would have said.'"

[...]

A Taunting Game?

Goldston said it seemed he was purposely toying with both investigators and reporters. "Whether he is the person who took the girls, I don't know," she said, "but I felt that he went out of his way to make me think that he had."

Kim Swartz, who had developed a bizarre friendship with Bindner at the urging of police, agreed that it seemed to be a game to Bindner.

"He was walking that fine line, knowing exactly where he can go with it," she said."I think he was getting off on taunting me and my family."

[...]

A Good Samaritan

Bindner refused to be interviewed on camera, but he agreed to speak with ABCNEWS off camera.

He said he was simply trying to help find the missing girls, and described himself as a good Samaritan. In fact, Bindner does have a record of helping others: He was given an award for heroism by the California Highway Patrol for assisting in the rescue efforts after the 1989 earthquake. He continues to insist that he had nothing to do with the girls' disappearances.

[...]

Philpin said that in some of the cases neither he, nor Swartz, nor any of the investigators have been able to rule Bindner in as a supsect or rule him out.

"It's a stalemate," said Philpin. "In the end, all the pieces of this particular puzzle just don't come together."

John Philpin, who is a forensic psych out of Harvard, also wrote a book regarding this case. ( link )

That gives me cold chills.:gasp:
 
PickleChris
Thank you SO mutch for posting those 3 videos:)

Sherre Gilbert is such a beautiful and sweet girl, seems so cincere, wise and full of emphaty, I really wish life will be good to her in the future.


Timeline Info I found usefull in her interview was:

Prior to the May 1, 2010 disappearence, SG trusted her driver MP, and MP had been her driver for 6 months, so he apparently started beeing her diver in Dec 2009..

SG and her boyfriend Alex Diaz had been together for 2 1/2 year. So they started their relationship in ca. Dec 2007.
 
Anything that I find useful on the local news I will rip and post for you guys.
 
Thanks for the vids, Pickle Chris. I will re-watch them and make some notes but am a bit tearful right now after watching Sheree Gilbert's interview about Shannan.

What a nice reflection Ms Gilbert is for her sister, Shannan. She is a very composed young woman and a great advocate for her sister!!

MOO

wm
 
In the News 12 video, it shows, for only a second, Shannan's phone bill and the numbers aren't blocked out too well. I think I have figured out MP's info but I am curious about the Toll Free number she called, in the beginning of the night. I can't make out the numbers. If someone else is interested and good at this sort of stuff, I'd like to see what you come up with.

Well, googling (MP's?) number, I found that someone wrote a comment about that number. It said "Good body, but her description of herself as refined and upscale is a joke. Nasty fake blonde hair."
To me, it seems like MP was advertising with his number? for Shannan? I don't know.
The person who wrote this comment also wrote a comment about another phone number saying that their pic is fake.
http://www.whojustcalledhere.net/searched-646-numbers


Also, to refresh our memory on a few points regarding MBB, MB, and MW..

"A city cop, who is a former Staten Islander, is being looked at as one of the last persons who, through Craigslist, contacted a prostitute slain by a Long Island serial killer" (Maureen Brainard Barnes)
"The Connecticut resident disappeared in 2007; the cop was living on Staten Island then, said the source. The officer, currently on modified duty, no longer resides in the borough."
"authorities are investigating the officer and an ex-cop, who left the force almost two decades ago over sex charges"
"the former Staten Islander was placed on modified duty due to allegations regarding his contact with a prostitute. Sexual accusations involving prostitutes had been levied against the retired officer."
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/ex-staten_island_cop_was_one_o.html

"Telephone records from 2009 belonging to one of four murdered female prostitutes found on Long Island were traced to budget motels about 15 miles from the beach where the bodies were found"
"Cellphone records for Ms. Barthelemy traced the calls, which were to her voice mail, to two motels near Massapequa — the Budget Inn and the Best Western"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/nyregion/26bodies.html

"An anonymous caller has left her [victim Megan Waterman's mother Lorraine Ela] several voicemails at work stating that he is a police officer from Long Island who wants to speak with her. Ela said the caller had an unusual tone and that police in Long Island have her proper contact information and would not call her at work. She said she was not able to identify the number because the person is calling from a private line."
http://www.findshannangilbert.com/latest-threats-wont-stop-megans-family/
 
Thanks to PickleChris and everyone who keeps reading, searching, and remembering these victims! I am really frustrated that we have heard no further information about the unidentified bodies and/or body parts. Why have we not heard any updated information about these people? At the very least, we should have heard how long they had been there. It is time for new information and hopefully, for some answers.
 
In the News 12 video, it shows, for only a second, Shannan's phone bill and the numbers aren't blocked out too well. I think I have figured out MP's info but I am curious about the Toll Free number she called, in the beginning of the night. I can't make out the numbers. If someone else is interested and good at this sort of stuff, I'd like to see what you come up with.

Well, googling (MP's?) number, I found that someone wrote a comment about that number. It said "Good body, but her description of herself as refined and upscale is a joke. Nasty fake blonde hair."
To me, it seems like MP was advertising with his number? for Shannan? I don't know.
The person who wrote this comment also wrote a comment about another phone number saying that their pic is fake.
http://www.whojustcalledhere.net/searched-646-numbers

Internetgirl

When I did a reverse check on MP's phonenumber on veromi.net, and I´m sure it IS his number because I found a Michael selling Chihuahua puppets with this number, the number is listed to two elder people with the last name Meyer located in West Babylon, and their address is located 0.6 miles north/west of Amber Lynn Costello's house. This Meyer family has a bizz Meyer Plastering Inc.
 
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