NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[goathairjones]

Why not ask him what happen that night? You could ask him who the drifter is! You could ask him who was at the party! You could ask him a million things <modsnip>

Hey Sherlock,

I don't know what your full reply was but if I ever do see him in the right setting, I will ask him about the drifter. But I highly doubt that he will offer that information up to some guy he runs into in a supermarket or CVS. I've run into him twice so far. I would love to know if he hangs out a certain bar on a regular basis. Maybe that bar next to his sisters liquor store. This guy seems like the type of guy that will strike up a conversation with anyone. And with a few drinks in him, you never know what information he may divulge.

I don't know why you have such a hard-on for him. Not all people that hire escorts are killers. And why would this guy hire an escort, realize she has a driver and still attempt to kill her. I truly believe that he is not the killer. And if he was, you can be sure that the FBI would have pined it on him a long time ago.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Case archive:

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[Sillybilly]

... Not all people that hire escorts are killers. And why would this guy hire an escort, realize she has a driver and still attempt to kill her. I truly believe that he is not the killer. And if he was, you can be sure that the FBI would have pined it on him a long time ago.

<rsbm>

I wouldn't rule JB out due to the potential for collusion between he and MP and/or others.

JMO

 

[goathairjones]

<rsbm>

I wouldn't rule JB out due to the potential for collusion between he and MP and/or others.

JMO

I agree SillyBilly,

He should not be ruled out at this point. At least not until some other credible information comes up that points to someone else.

But I really wish that everyone here could experience what I have with this guy. It's very strange because you see him on the news and he is very "unfriendly". But to see him in person is something completely different. It seems like he will talk to anyone!

I don't think he fits the profile though. Not that profiles mean much when you are talking about an extremely meticulous killer like this. But he is nothing like I would imagine Joel Rifkin or Robert Shulman to be. Those two were very anti-social. This guy is the exact opposite!

But I am certainly not ruling him out completely yet.

 

[minazoe]

omg dudes...Ted Bundy was a suicide hotline worker and friends with absolutely everyone...btk was a church dude..both he and gary ridgeway had wives and kids...john wayne gacy was the life of the party with his clown routines and charity work...

look at the grim sleeper...he's supposedly a real fun guy...so is Drew Peterson....

think again about who this guy could be....don't be fooled....

 

[MrsPC]

I agree SillyBilly,

He should not be ruled out at this point. At least not until some other credible information comes up that points to someone else.

But I really wish that everyone here could experience what I have with this guy. It's very strange because you see him on the news and he is very "unfriendly". But to see him in person is something completely different. It seems like he will talk to anyone!

I don't think he fits the profile though. Not that profiles mean much when you are talking about an extremely meticulous killer like this. But he is nothing like I would imagine Joel Rifkin or Robert Shulman to be. Those two were very anti-social. This guy is the exact opposite!

But I am certainly not ruling him out completely yet.

I highlighted a portion of your post that sort of makes me laugh.....

Unless *you* are a Craigslist prostitute....how Joseph Brewer reacted to you personally isn't really comparable is it?

 

[goathairjones]

I highlighted a portion of your post that sort of makes me laugh.....

Unless *you* are a Craigslist prostitute....how Joseph Brewer reacted to you personally isn't really comparable is it?

I'll give you that, MrsPC. He probably would treat a craigslist prostitute differently than some guy he runs into in a local store.

But I would just love to know what you're thinking as far as a scenario that played out that night. Did JB run after SG and go completely undetected by Gus Coletti and everyone else? MP was seen in the vicinity of where she was missing. CPH lives right there where she was last seen.

And don't you think the SCPD and the FBI would be able to get this guy on something? They searched his house and his car and I am sure they tracked his cellphone triangulation pings that night.

Now I'm not going to clear this guy until they find something more substantial on someone else. But if I were to place a bet right now on who is the LEAST likely killer between JB, MP and CPH, my money would be on JB.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

It just bugs me to no end that a girl who flees for her life from Brewer's house, for some reason ends up on Anchor Way and then disappears into thin air. And the family later gets a call from someone who just happens to live on Anchor Way, claiming that Shannan was being treated by them at their rehab facility.

That's one whopper of a coincidence, don't ya think?

 

[goathairjones]

Just saw this article on LI Press:

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/08/18/still-looking-for-judy-judith-erin-odonnell/

 

[JeannieC]

Just saw this article on LI Press:

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/08/18/still-looking-for-judy-judith-erin-odonnell/

Judith's sister Maureen has her case on WS Judith O'Donnell. It is really sad that it has taken this long to finally get her in the news. There have been some interesting developments in the case since the article appeared.

 

[MrsPC]

It just bugs me to no end that a girl who flees for her life from Brewer's house, for some reason ends up on Anchor Way and then disappears into thin air. And the family later gets a call from someone who just happens to live on Anchor Way, claiming that Shannan was being treated by them at their rehab facility.

That's one whopper of a coincidence, don't ya think?

IMO, the *larger* whopper of a coincidence, is that she was a Craiglist prostitute, and so were the other 4 whose bodies were found. And JB was SG's john.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

IMO, the *larger* whopper of a coincidence, is that she was a Craiglist prostitute, and so were the other 4 whose bodies were found. And JB was SG's john.

It's not uncommon for johns to find "providers" through Craigslist, Mrs. PC. In fact, if you scan some of the hobbyist sites for LI, you'll find it's VERY common. You don't think Brewer is the only person in Oak Beach who uses "providers" do you?

 

[Redbird]

The Long Island Serial Killer shows much experience with escorts. He was able to charm them out of taking their purses or cell phones. If he is also connected to the Manorville murders, he has been operating for many years without being noticed, much less detected. The professional profilers described him as organized. He planned carefully. Shannan does not fit this pattern and may very well not be directly connected to the other girl's murders. JB is a slob in everything he does. His comments and his reactions in the media show him to be bumbling and inept. His fear of transvestites, his worry about his wife's reaction much more than LE's reactions indicate to me he has had little experience hiring escorts. What fool would refuse to pay when the escort was traveling with a driver/bodyguard/pimp? His laughter at the idea he was being considered a serial killer, although inappropriate, is the response of an innocent man.

No one has ever been able to discover who "the drifter" is and I personally do not think he exists. I think the drifter was really MP who did not want his name published. It is too much of a coincidence that "the drifter" moved to Georgia and MP moved to Georgia. People are trying to make this more conplicated than it is because of various agendas. Shannan ran from GC's house with MP following behind her down a narrow deserted road just before dawn in a gated community. It is unlikely that JB even knew MP before that night. How many serial killers could have been hanging out waiting for a prostitute to show up? Would a cunning, secretive killer want to hook up with JB? I can't imagine it myself.

And I don't believe anyone in LE has said the AC murders and the LI murders are connected. Please provide links. Anne Marie Fahey was not a prostitue and has no relation to these cases. Comments about her have been written by a nutcase with who knows what motives.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

MP is not in georgia - he lives in queens. he never really left.

the last person to allegedly see SG alive was gus coletti. He was interviewed many times by the media. Maybe it was more than one person out looking for SG other than just MP. But the news said she knocked on a few doors - and 3 other people from that neighborhood called the police - does anyone know who else called the police? Does anyone know why the 9-1-1 call SG made has not been made pubic? those things ARE ALWAYS made public and blasted all over the airwaves - how come in this case - the call has been very private? that in itself is suspicious.

 

[nugzter]

The Long Island Serial Killer shows much experience with escorts. He was able to charm them out of taking their purses or cell phones. If he is also connected to the Manorville murders, he has been operating for many years without being noticed, much less detected. The professional profilers described him as organized. He planned carefully. Shannan does not fit this pattern and may very well not be directly connected to the other girl's murders. JB is a slob in everything he does. His comments and his reactions in the media show him to be bumbling and inept. His fear of transvestites, his worry about his wife's reaction much more than LE's reactions indicate to me he has had little experience hiring escorts. What fool would refuse to pay when the escort was traveling with a driver/bodyguard/pimp? His laughter at the idea he was being considered a serial killer, although inappropriate, is the response of an innocent man.

No one has ever been able to discover who "the drifter" is and I personally do not think he exists. I think the drifter was really MP who did not want his name published. It is too much of a coincidence that "the drifter" moved to Georgia and MP moved to Georgia. People are trying to make this more conplicated than it is because of various agendas. Shannan ran from GC's house with MP following behind her down a narrow deserted road just before dawn in a gated community. It is unlikely that JB even knew MP before that night. How many serial killers could have been hanging out waiting for a prostitute to show up? Would a cunning, secretive killer want to hook up with JB? I can't imagine it myself.

And I don't believe anyone in LE has said the AC murders and the LI murders are connected. Please provide links. Anne Marie Fahey was not a prostitue and has no relation to these cases. Comments about her have been written by a nutcase with who knows what motives.

You nailed it. Every word you wrote is exactly my theory also. There is a witch hunt like attitude in some of the theories posted here ref. JB and CHP. And I feel for Shannon's family and I hope they get some closure one way or the other. Hopefully even turn up alive somewhere. But her disappearance has become a distraction in the sleuthing in the SK aspect of the the GB4 case. As for me I am not sleuthing for an individual, I am trying to piece together patterns and timelines, ect. , To think outside the box. Maybe catch something LE has missed. But all this SG investigation talk distracts me so much , I get frustrated to even come here to look on the boards for theories. I have to read 40 SG post for every 1 SK related post. Some of you here would disagree and will probably get angry at me. Oh well. This is my opinion. I wish we would start pouring over the facts and scrutinizing them. A lot of people have done a lot of hard work putting things together, and all that goes on here lately is slander JB or CHP. All that time and effort wasted…. It’s a shame.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

You nailed it. Every word you wrote is exactly my theory also. There is a witch hunt like attitude in some of the theories posted here ref. JB and CHP. And I feel for Shannon's family and I hope they get some closure one way or the other. Hopefully even turn up alive somewhere. But her disappearance has become a distraction in the sleuthing in the SK aspect of the the GB4 case. As for me I am not sleuthing for an individual, I am trying to piece together patterns and timelines, ect. , To think outside the box. Maybe catch something LE has missed. But all this SG investigation talk distracts me so much , I get frustrated to even come here to look on the boards for theories. I have to read 40 SG post for every 1 SK related post. Some of you here would disagree and will probably get angry at me. Oh well. This is my opinion. I wish we would start pouring over the facts and scrutinizing them. A lot of people have done a lot of hard work putting things together, and all that goes on here lately is slander JB or CHP. All that time and effort wasted&#8230;. It&#8217;s a shame.

BBM

Okay, let's talk about this.

What facts do you feel we've failed to pour over and scrutinize? Or is it more that you feel theory and conjecture has been given more weight than the known facts of this case?

 

[nugzter]

BBM

Okay, let's talk about this.

What facts do you feel we've failed to pour over and scrutinize? Or is it more that you feel theory and conjecture has been given more weight than the known facts of this case?

More along the lines of Theory, slander and just down right speculation. I remember a few months ago, someone (I forget who) had made an awesome map with pics, dates, and all the info known at that time. It was talked about for, and I am not kidding, less than 20 posts, and the conversation got steered back to the SG disappearence. There is little to go on in the GB4 case, all the more reson to go back to the evidence and scrutinize it again, and agian, and again. The key is finding something over looked. And it is in there somewhere.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

More along the lines of Theory, slander and just down right speculation. I remember a few months ago, someone (I forget who) had made an awesome map with pics, dates, and all the info known at that time. It was talked about for, and I am not kidding, less than 20 posts, and the conversation got steered back to the SG disappearence. There is little to go on in the GB4 case, all the more reson to go back to the evidence and scrutinize it again, and agian, and again. The key is finding something over looked. And it is in there somewhere.

I'm game for taking another look at all the facts. In order for that to be something of interest to me personally, though, it would need to have it's own thread (I'm not prepared to wade through this thread looking for that info). And the thread would have to have some agreed upon standards of what we will consider fact. In other words, information gathered ONLY from msm, police reports, eyewitness accounts, maps, etc. etc. And links to sources would be a must.

If that's something you're interested in doing, I'd be happy to contribute to that. I think it would be a very useful tool to help get us all back on track.

 

[nugzter]

I'm game for taking another look at all the facts. In order for that to be something of interest to me personally, though, it would need to have it's own thread (I'm not prepared to wade through this thread looking for that info). And the thread would have to have some agreed upon standards of what we will consider fact. In other words, information gathered ONLY from msm, police reports, eyewitness accounts, etc. etc. And links to sources would be a must.

If that's something you're interested in doing, I'd be happy to contribute to that. I think it would be a very useful tool to help get us all back on track.

I agree. I am looking for a map as we speak and am having a hard time sifting thru all the posts. I would go as far as to say only info released by LE pertaining to the GB4 only. The reason for this is that MSM is more confused than anyone.
I will be doing a virtual drive by of the sites using google street view. I am hoping to find some sort of markers. Natural or man made. I also want to see how far down the road I can see in either direction. Then factor in night time, (car headlights). Then hope to gather how much time he had to discard the bodies.

 

[Redbird]

IMO rehashing this case one more time would be counterproductive. All the facts we have are in these threads if one has the patience and interest to read through them. This case seems to be growing cold. The biggest problem we have is the amount of information that LE is withholding. We can speculate 24/7, but without the release of the 911 call and other information such as the phone records, the police report of the woman who got away, the identity of the other victims, at this point we are just spinning our wheels. And as time goes by the more speculation creeps into the discussion, the more comments by people who do not know the facts we have and do not want to bother reading up on the case. I think we will just have to wait until something happens or LE releases more information.