NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[scandi]

I'm at the point where I can't focus on the known facts we have regarding the GB4 anymore, because it's so jumbled up with Manorville, and a myriad of other random murders committed in Long Island. I can't even see patterns that exist in the GB4 now because it's all just become a jumbled mess in my mind.

I don't see staging by our SK. I don't see dismemberment at the hand of our SK. I don't see a "torso killer". Maybe I'm just the odd WSer out on this, but every instinct I have tells me these cases are not related, and I can't sleuth several unrelated cases as if they are one case. I just can't. Occam's razor and all that.

Maybe it's time I bow out of this thread.

I had similar feelings Kat as I have been out of the loop here too long and it is difficult to remember everything. I get confused too and hardly post.

I've decided to start reading everything and jump back in. I hope you do too ;} I've got this feeling LE is knocking on this case's door and we might witness it being solved. I wouldn't want to miss that for anything.

That, PLUS some poster here is going to have nailed it IMO and that will be very exciting. We have such stellar Sleuthers here working on the case it often boggles my mind.

 

[truthspider]

according to news archives on www.newslibrary.com

CPH changed positions to Central Suffolk in 1997

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives

Just as well, i just wanted proof that he worked all the way out in riverhead from little old oak beach

 

[scandi]

Truthspider, when I read what you wrote "I will not be suprised if we find out the driver of the car that disfigured CPH was a young woman, and that the accident may have happened on Ocean Parkway" my mouth almost fell off my face!

There is going to be something LIKE THAT IMO that is the kicker in this case. It is so possible. Do we know anything about his accident?

Even if LE knows info like that plus all the other Circ. info we have about him, they must need something yet to connect him physically to the crimes. I just feel they are soooo close.

 

[Seaslug44]

Wow, just stumbled upon this; a dumping ground off Route 8 in CT that includes unsolved strangled prostitutes as well as a dismembered body!

Here's the article;

http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/unsolvedct/serialkillers.html

Still want to believe that all of these bodies are the work of single serial killer(s) or can someone at least agree with me that it's remotely possible that they are being dumped by self-declared professional cleanup crews or "fixers"?

I found something to link these unsolved murders in Litchfield, CT to "Peaches"', the torso found stuffed in the Rubermaid container in Hempstead Lake State park. Peaches was ID'd by a tattoo artist in Bristol, CT which is only a few miles from where the bodies were dumped near Litchfield.

 

[Peter Brendt]

@Mountain Kat: I saw Manorville and the GB4 from the start as separate cases. Manorville is a torso killer, he staged for example Jessica Taylor's torso and onlt her torso, in a place where it had to be found soon. Which is basically exactly, why this type is called in Europe generally torso killer.
The GB4 are a completely different signature.
To mingle those two cases and a lot of other very early and mostly unrelated cases in was only because it appeared to some as unreasonable to assume, more than one killer would drop bodies in the same area (but in fact, it's pretty normal to see two or even three in the same area).
But having said that, I withdraw for a few days, because other things are currently more important.

 

[Masterj]

I found something t!o link these unsolved murders in Litchfield, CT to "Peaches"', the torso found stuffed in the Rubermaid container in Hempstead Lake State park. Peaches was ID'd by a tattoo artist in Bristol, CT which is only a few miles from where the bodies were dumped near Litchfield.

Good find! Bristol - Litchfield is about 17 - 19 miles / 30 minute drive depending on which route you take, according to google directions.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Truthspider, when I read what you wrote "I will not be suprised if we find out the driver of the car that disfigured CPH was a young woman, and that the accident may have happened on Ocean Parkway" my mouth almost fell off my face!

There is going to be something LIKE THAT IMO that is the kicker in this case. It is so possible. Do we know anything about his accident?

Even if LE knows info like that plus all the other Circ. info we have about him, they must need something yet to connect him physically to the crimes. I just feel they are soooo close.

I hear you Scandi. But for me, the problem isn't that I need to do MORE reading. The problem is my thoughts are becoming clouded by an over abundance of info, much of which, imo, has nothing to do with the GB4.

I think what I may need to do is stop, review the known facts about the GB4, and then take myself somewhere where that case is the only one being looked at.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

Typing out loud--again:

Maybe my mind has absorbed so much information concerning this case that my thoughts are muddled and I can't make a solid connection with this CPH.

I'm just not buying into it right now and I'm not sure that I ever will unless there is some concrete evidence. I read about the proximity of his employment to dump sites and I think, "So?"

I've seen a few times where the majority just knew the father of Jessica Lund was guilty as sin (Courttv Board) and it turned out to be the neighbor across the street. And the reasons why the father was viewed as guilty was because he went back to work while she was still missing and he didn't look nor act innocent.

Anyway, I could be wrong but we are barking up the wrong tree. I'm willing to believe that he has something to do with SG--that's a real high possibility. Then again....it's a real high possibility that he is responsible for the GB4....then again...it's a real high possibility that he is responsible for Manorville too.

Well damn, why is it that this one dude out of all the characters associated in this mystery can be placed in these areas? I guess it could just be a coincidence, however, I hear that detectives don't believe in coincidences but I think they do occur.

CPH...the monster with the prosthetic leg, dismembering and dumping bodies in the dark. *Shivers*

I'm just going to sit back and continue to read what others here conjure through sleuthing. Time for me to just take a back seat because at this time I can't offer anything. *Sigh* I wish SCPD would release some more information.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I hear you Scandi. But for me, the problem isn't that I need to do MORE reading. The problem is my thoughts are becoming clouded by an over abundance of info, much of which, imo, has nothing to do with the GB4.

I think what I may need to do is stop, review the known facts about the GB4, and then take myself somewhere where that case is the only one being looked at.

Hi Kat!

Why don't you start a thread where we can discuss the GB4 only? It would be help me to keep things straight. I'd do it but psoriatic arthritis is aflared today and typing is painful and concentration is nil!:crazy:

wm

 

[NJGuy]

I agree with many posters on here....recently I've been just reading the posts and not responding because to me, it is becoming difficult to sort out facts from each aspect of the case. Also, a lot of info I'm not sure has been verified so it has been difficult to keep pace with new information that may or may not be revelant. And I know I'm in the minority that believes CPH did not kill the GB4, but it seems this forum has become a lets-burn-CPH-at-stake-thread, and it seems many on here will not consider any other alternative. And if CPH is in fact responsible, I would certainly be more than happy to give the deserved credit to those posters on here, and be thrilled this case was solved. But it seems a severe case of tunnel vision has permeated the board...anyway just my rant of the day

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

I agree with many posters on here....recently I've been just reading the posts and not responding because to me, it is becoming difficult to sort out facts from each aspect of the case. Also, a lot of info I'm not sure has been verified so it has been difficult to keep pace with new information that may or may not be revelant. And I know I'm in the minority that believes CPH did not kill the GB4, but it seems this forum has become a lets-burn-CPH-at-stake-thread, and it seems many on here will not consider any other alternative. And if CPH is in fact responsible, I would certainly be more than happy to give the deserved credit to those posters on here, and be thrilled this case was solved. But it seems a severe case of tunnel vision has permeated the board...anyway just my rant of the day

Yeah, I have to agree. Actually, you're rant really did put it all together for me.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I wanted to stay away for some days because I have other work to do currently (if you find me strangled with about twenty fingerprints on my throat, it was most likely a bunch of agents and editors getting to me for being late with manuscripts). But this whole thing appears really to have become one big mess with gravy over it.
So, lets sort it out:
Manorville: A killer, who dismembers his victims and stages bodies while he just throws away the rest. A not nearer specified number of cases linked. It seems, that by the mere fact, that he lived and breathed around in the area, CPH is the main suspect for some.
GB4: A relative wide victimology, a long cool down phase, no staging, but just dropping of the bodies in the bushes. All four wrapped in burlap. There is some disagreement here, whether a guy with one leg missing and breathing problems would be able to commit these murders. I am also not convinced yet, that LI is in the center of that case or just a dumping ground.
Shannan Gilbert: We don't even know, whether SG is connected to the GB4 or Manorville. All we really know is, she is missing and people saw her running around in Oak Beach that night.
So, I second the suggestion (or do I already third it?), to split this into two cases: Manorville and LISK2.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I agree with many posters on here....recently I've been just reading the posts and not responding because to me, it is becoming difficult to sort out facts from each aspect of the case. Also, a lot of info I'm not sure has been verified so it has been difficult to keep pace with new information that may or may not be revelant. And I know I'm in the minority that believes CPH did not kill the GB4, but it seems this forum has become a lets-burn-CPH-at-stake-thread, and it seems many on here will not consider any other alternative. And if CPH is in fact responsible, I would certainly be more than happy to give the deserved credit to those posters on here, and be thrilled this case was solved. But it seems a severe case of tunnel vision has permeated the board...anyway just my rant of the day

From early on CPH topped my list (for the GB4, NOT Manorville!), but I've always been open minded about that. I've sleuthed JB, MP, DS, etc. etc. I've even sleuthed people outside the known names associated with this case. Wherever a lead takes me, that's where I go. But Manorville is a red herring, imo. The more people focus on that case, the more they begin to lose sight of the known facts wrt the GB4.

All just MOO, of course.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Hi Kat!

Why don't you start a thread where we can discuss the GB4 only? It would be help me to keep things straight. I'd do it but psoriatic arthritis is aflared today and typing is painful and concentration is nil!:crazy:

wm

I'm not a thread starter, WM. But if someone else wants to do it, I'd certainly be grateful.

 

[Nefriahaia]

Maybe a few strategically placed and unobtrusive security cameras could help solve the mystery.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I'm not a thread starter, WM. But if someone else wants to do it, I'd certainly be grateful.

I will start it Kat, if others will assist in providing links and info. What should we name it?

Any ideas? Anyone? Bueller?

wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I will start it Kat, if others will assist in providing links and info. What should we name it?

Any ideas? Anyone? Bueller?

wm

That's a tough one, WM. Something that reflects that the thread is to ONLY contain info on the GB4, and possibly SG. I think we really have to include SG in this, for a number of reasons. 1). the search for her lead to the discovery of the GB4, 2). the families of the GB4 treat SG as if she is connected, 3). much of the information we're getting about the GB4 is already tied in with SG. and 4). we have calls to the families of the victims in common.

I don't know how we could leave SG out without missing ALOT of information...do you? :waitasec:

ETA: Nutzger has a timeline for the GB4 (plus SG) ready to go. We could use that as a starting point in the new thread. Work our way out, like we did in the beginning, before we got so far afield.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Great Kat! How does 'Connecting the dots between the GB4 and Shannan Gilbert' sound?

I was just reading some of the threads that we have here and there is alot of info that I have never even read yet. I will go through them to make sure that we don't already have such a thread that has gotten pushed several pages back.

any other suggestions are welcome....

wm

 

[Theforeigner]

MrsPC you wrote:

"here's a screen capture from Bing maps of the white truck parked in front of CPH's home (in the street)"

Hi MrsPC
I have sent you a private message, please go and read.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Great Kat! How does 'Connecting the dots between the GB4 and Shannan Gilbert' sound?

I was just reading some of the threads that we have here and there is alot of info that I have never even read yet. I will go through them to make sure that we don't already have such a thread that has gotten pushed several pages back.

any other suggestions are welcome....

wm

I would make the thread title more narrow, personally. Something like, "GB4 Case Info Only", or "GB4 Plus One", etc. etc. If we title it "connecting the dots between GB4 and SG", then that confines us to bringing SG into it, and we may not always want to do that, KWIM?

ETA: I see you already started the thread, Speedy. I think we can work with that...the main thing is just to have some place away from the Manorville chatter to think and process the known facts of the GB4. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!