NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

[shadowraiths]

Wrt the skeletonized remains, am thinking this is what people may be referring to ( link ):

Police sources told Newsday some of the bodies were wrapped in burlap and at least one was female. That was reportedly the first body. The skeletal remains were found Saturday just before 3 p.m. by Officer John Mallia and his canine officer “Blue.”
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Since at least two of the women were missing some time ago, one in 2007 and the other in 2009, I would expect some of the first remains to be skeletal.

Here's an article that briefly discusses the order they were identified. ( link )

Like the victim who was identified last week, the three victims identified this week had advertised for clients through Craigslist and other online services, and were in their 20s, the Suffolk County police commissioner, Richard Dormer, said in a telephone interview after a news conference with the county district attorney, Thomas J. Spota. ​

The above, of course, means very little, as there is nothing in that article correlates identification with age/stage of the remains.

 

[shadowraiths]

I just checked longislanderotica site and it is down.

Yeah, it's called, getting hammered by all the lookiloos (aka media + joe public). Or otherwise put, their bandwidth allotment has been exceeded. Give them a couple of days for people to get bored and go elsewhere, at which point, you'll likely be able to check it out.

 

[Lera213]

Probably some print media is following this site and ran with the story about the info our WS'ers dug up.

 

[txsvicki]

Sounds to me like they weren't all skeletonized. ( link )

The bodies, which were found within 500 feet of each other, were all in various states of decomposition and stripped of their jewelry, identification, purses, and clothing. It appeared that they had been killed elsewhere, robbing detectives of valuable clues.​

It almost sounds like a body farm. The ones wrapped in burlap also make it seem like the SK is planting the bodies. The texture of burlap would go well with the textures of the beach, even the colors. I wonder if the SK has an artistic streak and thinks he's collecting his victims sort of like Gary Ridgeway (who of course wasn't artistic or smart at all).Burlap is popular with crafters and people who sew. All sorts of things can be made for the home. Maybe he or a partner is into things like thatand bought a bunch of burlap.

 

[internetgirl101]

I'm really sorry I had to post this, everyone.
I was googling "ny serial killer" for a video and I came across this "music" video, and it's really disturbing. Is this even allowed?

[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZOBiaEsiqg[/ame]

 

[internetgirl101]

I'm trying to make that a link..and not the actual video on the thread, but can't figure it out. Sorry again ya'll.

Anyway..more scattered thoughts..

ALC's roommate said that she used his phone, but we have seen her posts and she advertised with a Florida number. I assumed it was her phone. She could have very well used his too I guess..?
$1500 seems like a lot of money, thinking most of these providers charged in the 2-300 range, but he could have asked for multiple hours or that was the cost for the appointment + party favors.
I think ALC's sister could be of some help to LE. I hope she is telling them everything she knows.

 

[MsFacetious]

This article says that Body #1 WAS skeletal. It also says the same officer found the first 5 bodies... plus that 6th body unrelated to this case in December. Can we like have him come look for all the other missing people in the country? :waitasec:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...-for-bodies-key-role-for-officer-and-dog.html


This is video of body 2, 3 or 4 - also skeletal

http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/?watchId=bf7774c9-af77-4905-96a0-bbd5835f5208


Summer 2007

Summer 2009

Summer 2010

September 2010

I guess we would assume that those two skeletal ones would be from 2007 and 2009? If they were just naturally skeletal?

It was also said though, that they appeared to have been there longer than Summer of 2010... they didn't think Megan was one of them at first. So, maybe they were more skeletal than even they expected.

http://www.longislandexchange.com/articles/news/gilgobeachbody-012011.html


Map of bodies:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/bodies-found-at-li-beaches-1.2541830?qr=1

Sure. But it's going to take me awhile since I'm really involved in the recovery efforts in the Holly Bobo case.

One of our sleuthers here posted a very telling video showing skeletal remains of one of the call girl victims that could have never decomposed to a skeleton within the timeframe of when the remains were placed there.

 

[cleo612]

Bones could offer clues on possible serial killings in New York

New York (CNN) -- Authorities are awaiting test results from bones found in the water near Long Island, New York, as they investigate possible serial killings.

"Bones were found in the water off of Oak Beach, and the physician's assistant will make a determination on whether or not they're human," Miros Kroupa, spokeswoman for the Suffolk County Police Department, said Sunday.

More at link: http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/18/new.york.bodies/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[evelyn24]

Bones could offer clues on possible serial killings in New York

New York (CNN) -- Authorities are awaiting test results from bones found in the water near Long Island, New York, as they investigate possible serial killings.

"Bones were found in the water off of Oak Beach, and the physician's assistant will make a determination on whether or not they're human," Miros Kroupa, spokeswoman for the Suffolk County Police Department, said Sunday.

More at link: http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/18/new.york.bodies/index.html?hpt=T2

Bones IN the water? Is this new information?

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

Brooklyn kid, 19, swept out by waves at Long Beach, L.I. just hours after cop drives over sunbather

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-05-26/local/27065439_1_suv-brooklyn-cop

50 years eh?
Also, note this was a young fit kid who voluntarily went just waist deep in the water.
just imagine someone who was high on drugs or having hallucinations

I meant from the Bay. Of Course people are swept out from the Ocean. I think last summer a few kids were swept out, Rip tides are crazy strong. Their Bodies were recovered. I'm sorry if I did not put those words at the end. I think the person I was talking with knew what I meant. If not I'm clearing it up.

 

[svpernin]

A response (to her entry titled, “My Trip To Gilgo Beach: Long Island Serial Killer Report&#8221 is dated Apr 5, 2011. I had been using the site to read MSM articles since she had been publishing them in full there, and I used to look for her commentary, but had never seen her "blogging" until posters here drew attention to them on this thread.

When did posters first notice her "blog entries"?

That site has been around since they discovered the first sets of remains in December. I remember running into it when I would do Google searches and wondering what kind of person would sensationalize a story like this to that extreme.

I first came across the Gilgo blog entry in the beginning of March. I posted something about it on here a while back that could pinpoint the exact time I first saw it but I'm pretty sure it was early March. It was after the first four bodies were found but before they found any others.

 

[svpernin]

I just checked longislanderotica site and it is down. Hmmmmm. Looks like the ball is rolling. Who ever found that info should get some credit. I read those post here day before yesterday I think. So it was cracked by a webslueth before this crappy other site ripped it. Good job....

I hope LE is tearing through that site like crazy. We first posted about it on here a month ago. When it comes to many aspects of this case, I'd say we've been 2 weeks to a month ahead of MSM on this board this entire time. That's why I think our research is so important for a case like this. There's tons of information out there, we just have to find it. Great job, sleuths!

 

[NJGuy]

I know I will be stating the obvious, but I wanted to throw it out there anyway...I think at this point there are two perspectives in looking at all this information, rumors, unknowns in this case. First LE must certainly know alot, alot more information that we do or than what has been reported in MSM. As for the perspectives, I think it comes down to what scenario you are inclined to believe.

1. If SG is not connected to the SK in some way then whatever happened to her at Oak Beach is the coincidence of the century. And now you have an SK linked to four prostitutes, and an incident at Oak Beach where another prostitute is now missing that are unrelated. Also, a phone call in a similar fashion was made to her family to try and cover whatever happened to her.

2. If SG is related, and ALC went missing after SG's night at Oak Beach, which has been established clearly, I think, then the SK is unbelievably brazen, arrogant, and cocky. Think about it, whatever happened to SG was a close call for the SK, she nearly escaped. And then he has the confidence to possibly be seen at ALC's home when he picked her up and still murder her? The SK took the risk of being seen with a girl who would eventually go missing. Now granted, none of the bodies had been discovered yet, and the links to each girl were not established, but after SG, he still has the arrogance to willingly pick up an escort and murder her, presumably in his own car, in the general area of the other missing girls.

To me, like nearly everything else in this case, something doesn't add up. I've nearly given up trying to speculate on things, but what is it about this guy? Is he so confident in his abilities to go undetected and noticed? Is there something else about ALC's last night that we don't know yet? I think after SG, although it had been a few months in between, the SK would at least try to keep a low profile and not take risks like picking ALC up at home. Now maybe that's part of the fun for him, seeing how much he can really get away with, like with the phone calls, but still, something is missing for me.

 

[cleo612]

Bones IN the water? Is this new information?

It sure looks like new information to me, as this is the first reporting of it that I have seen.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

LOL...some of you ought to write movie scripts.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Good Morning Everyone!

I would like to say a special thanks to eveyone who gave updates over the weekend. It was a busy wknd for me and I didn't have much time for sleuthing.

The bones found in the water is new info to me. LE sure isn't saying much. I hope LE did shut down that erotica site and is going over it with fine tooth comb. Isn't that the one where a poster said he like 'the thrill of the hunt'?

I wonder how the SK feels about going from the hunter to the HUNTED? It's gotta be disconcerting for him. He will feel compelled to kill again at some point, I just hope he is caught before then.

Ms Facetious, Thank you for linking the video that show the bones. Wow! It was very chilling seeing those bones lying there in such a desolate place. It made me want to cry.

We have a talented group of sleuths here. I am constantly amazed at the things you all dig up. (no pun intended)

MOO

wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I know I will be stating the obvious, but I wanted to throw it out there anyway...I think at this point there are two perspectives in looking at all this information, rumors, unknowns in this case. First LE must certainly know alot, alot more information that we do or than what has been reported in MSM. As for the perspectives, I think it comes down to what scenario you are inclined to believe.

1. If SG is not connected to the SK in some way then whatever happened to her at Oak Beach is the coincidence of the century. And now you have an SK linked to four prostitutes, and an incident at Oak Beach where another prostitute is now missing that are unrelated. Also, a phone call in a similar fashion was made to her family to try and cover whatever happened to her.

2. If SG is related, and ALC went missing after SG's night at Oak Beach, which has been established clearly, I think, then the SK is unbelievably brazen, arrogant, and cocky. Think about it, whatever happened to SG was a close call for the SK, she nearly escaped. And then he has the confidence to possibly be seen at ALC's home when he picked her up and still murder her? The SK took the risk of being seen with a girl who would eventually go missing. Now granted, none of the bodies had been discovered yet, and the links to each girl were not established, but after SG, he still has the arrogance to willingly pick up an escort and murder her, presumably in his own car, in the general area of the other missing girls.

To me, like nearly everything else in this case, something doesn't add up. I've nearly given up trying to speculate on things, but what is it about this guy? Is he so confident in his abilities to go undetected and noticed? Is there something else about ALC's last night that we don't know yet? I think after SG, although it had been a few months in between, the SK would at least try to keep a low profile and not take risks like picking ALC up at home. Now maybe that's part of the fun for him, seeing how much he can really get away with, like with the phone calls, but still, something is missing for me.

BBM

I made this exact same point a few days ago. And I am commenting again on it because I don't think we should discount the importance of this piece of information.

Our SK took the bodies of his last 2 known victims and dumped them at exactly the same location where he had dumped 2 other bodies from 2007 and 2009. These last 2 bodies were dumped at this location AFTER Shannan Gilbert ran from JB's house never to be seen again. This dumpsite is in extremely close proximity to the house SG was last seen at. Remember, JB WAS investigated after SG's disappearance. If he is our serial killer then he's the most brazen, reckless serial killer I've ever encountered.

If JB is not our SK, then we have to consider the possibilities of what might REALLY have happened to SG.

1). She did fall into the water and drown. (I personally doubt that.)

2). She managed to make it out of Oak Beach alive, and then just fell off the face of the earth. (Possible, I guess.)

3). She never made it out of Oak Beach alive. This is my belief. I just don't have a clue what happened to this girl. It stretches the bounds of reason to think she might have fled JB's in terror and coincidentally run across our mysterious SK. But then, we have her family recounting that they recieved a call from someone claiming to be PH, who just happens to live in the same gated community near these dumpsites. Now, PH hadn't been on anyone's radar at this point. That's important to remember when considering 2 known victims having been dumped near the gated community AFTER SG goes missing. But if our SK is PH, how on earth did he and SG cross paths that morning? Not a clue.

All just MOO, and all that jazz.

ETA: with respect to the state of decomposition of the 4 known bodies, my guess is that they were found to be exactly what one would expect...MBB and MB skeletonized, ALC and MW much less decomposed.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

One more thing I wanted to mention (and then I'll lurk for a bit). It very significant, imo, that we have reports of at least one body being found with a ligature around her neck. The ligature being left on the body tells me one of 3 things:

1). She was strangled while naked (probably while providing services) and the ligature being left on the body just wasn't that big of a deal for our SK to bother removing.

2). Our SK left that ligature around her neck as a calling card. And if this is the case, was the murder instrument (ligature, scarf, whatever) left on any of the other bodies? If not, why not?

3). The ligature being left on this body was an oversight. (And possibly a very BIG one.)

I'll just add that I think we really need to consider the possibility that our victims were on "car dates". Simple thing to toss out a naked body near where your car date occurs...not so easy to get a naked, dead prostitute out of a hotel room. JMO

 

[susan1122]

Bones IN the water? Is this new information?

It is new info.....but is it valid? I feel like almost every article I read has some misinformation.....except for NY Times or something of that quality.

 

[Seaslug44]

IMO, the SG aspect of this SK search is a distraction for me. I am trying to focus on the physical evidence, or lack there of. Thanks LE, lool. Until SG is connected to the SK, I am trying to not to take it in with much intensity. There are a lot of interesting parallels, but IMO we will get a lot further looking at just the facts, and get away from the rumors and Tabloid like atmosphere of SG disappearance.
BTW, whoever found all the internet John info is good. I looked for 4 hours yesterday thru alot of the "John" blogs and found nothing. Good Sleuthing yall!!!!

I totally agree. It's highly unlikely that the SK stalked SG while she was at JB's home. There's only one very narrow road in/out of the community plus the gate. There are also many homes with security cameras in the area. Then there are the dogs. Not sure if anyone mentioned them. If my memory serves me correct, there are many people in that neighborhood with pet dogs. I know our dogs bark every time they see or hear someone. I'm sure the SK would have been detected by them if he was on foot. There really isn't any place to sit in a car idling to watch JB's home for SG to leave. No, I respectfully disagree with the theory that the SK followed SG to Oak Beach.

I do agree that until SG's story develops, it is indeed a distraction to the story surrounding the SK's killings.