NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

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I have been looking for the post with the Escort Names of the firts 4 vics. Can't find em any more. HELP!!!!!!
SK would only know them by their Escort Names if he was a John. I want to try to run them thru some diffrent sites.....
All I can rember is Jasmine and Chloe.....

Here is what I have so far RL Name/Stage Name/ Date Last Seen/ Phone Number:

[FONT=&quot]Maureen Brainard-Barnes - Jasmine - 7/9/2007[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Melissa Barthelemy - Chloe - 7/12/2009[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shannon Gilbert - Sabrina - 5/1/2010[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Megan Waterman - Lexy - 6/6/2010[/FONT][FONT=&quot] ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]207 807 9290)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Amber Lynn Costello - Carolina - 9/2/2010 ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]*advertiser censored* *advertiser censored* xxxx)[/FONT]
 
Hey Nugster... I pretty much agree with your profile, but I am curious about this one:

33. Sexual fetishes? BDSM, Foot, secret gay.

Why secret gay??? I certainly get the BDSM and Foot guy, but secret gay? I missed that.... clue me in! Oh, and welcome to WS's!!!!! Great to have you here!
 
Here is what I have so far RL Name/Stage Name/ Date Last Seen/ Phone Number:

[FONT=&quot]Maureen Brainard-Barnes - Jasmine - 7/9/2007[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Melissa Barthelemy - Chloe - 7/12/2009[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shannon Gilbert - Sabrina - 5/1/2010[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Megan Waterman - Lexy - 6/6/2010[/FONT][FONT=&quot] ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]207 807 9290)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Amber Lynn Costello - Carolina - 9/2/2010 ([/FONT][FONT=&quot])[/FONT]

OHHHHH Thank you Reannan. Gonna start now......
 
OHHHHH Thank you Reannan. Gonna start now......

Can't wait to hear what you find out! Good luck! Just remember, you can't post names of someone who has not been mentioned in MSM or named by LE. Save any information you get even if it isn't in MSM yet... it may be useful in the future.
 
Hey Nugster... I pretty much agree with your profile, but I am curious about this one:

33. Sexual fetishes? BDSM, Foot, secret gay.

Why secret gay??? I certainly get the BDSM and Foot guy, but secret gay? I missed that.... clue me in! Oh, and welcome to WS's!!!!! Great to have you here!

Thank you for the warm welcome!!!!

Hatred for women is not just a Macho type thing. And in alot of Fetish scenes, the rule seems to be no limits. For the least part he is curious and has explored same sex contact in some way or the other. Probably Dominate. But its a tough fight to kill an average sized man compared to a female. He would have to use drugs for that, and that is not his thing.
I live in Europe where Fetish's are more out in the open amongst friend and family. looool
 
Hi! Seaslug44, you wrote this on the last thread: "I disagree that JB is the SK because someone like him DOES have easy access to the water via a boat or two. If he wanted to discard bodies, he EASILY could do it out in the ocean. Anyone here familiar with the HBO series DEXTER? If you are then imagine the ability to dispose of bodies in the same fashion as the lead character Dexter does in those shows. A guy like JB has thousands of miles of ocean at his fingertips to dispose of bodies if he wanted to. It makes no sense that he would risk one of his neighbors spotting his vehicle on the side of Ocean Parkway while he dumped a body. That just makes no sense at all."

I've read that SKs often revisit the bodies or the scenes of their crimes, etc. It's the same reason they keep trophies - it allows them to relive the memories/fantasy. This is from an article about SKs: "The location of the serial killer's crimes is also of significance. Geographical profiling is based on the premise that the killer will operate in a zone where he feels comfortable. This may be near home or, alternatively, far away from it, depending on his psychological make-up. Location is not just where the crime was committed, but is also where the victim was abducted and where the body was taken and left after the crime."
So I don't think it would be at all unusual for JB to dump the bodies near his home, especially since it was one of several homes he owned - I think that house was empty for awhile, wasn't it, and he was living elsewhere, though he still owned it?
 
I've read that SKs often revisit the bodies or the scenes of their crimes, etc. It's the same reason they keep trophies - it allows them to relive the memories/fantasy. This is from an article about SKs: "The location of the serial killer's crimes is also of significance. Geographical profiling is based on the premise that the killer will operate in a zone where he feels comfortable. This may be near home or, alternatively, far away from it, depending on his psychological make-up. Location is not just where the crime was committed, but is also where the victim was abducted and where the body was taken and left after the crime."
So I don't think it would be at all unusual for JB to dump the bodies near his home, especially since it was one of several homes he owned - I think that house was empty for awhile, wasn't it, and he was living elsewhere, though he still owned it?
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Exactly:

A comfort zone

(I have posted about this on cases we have covered here.)
 
it was interesting to me that the reporter on the CNN show basically said this guy is no Ted Bundy...ouch...if he was a real ladies man he wouldn't kill prostitutes...he could get any girl, anywhere...he could charm them over his way...

well, Im not sure....

He may feel too guilty to murder a regular girl who might be innocent....but a call girl...well, what does she expect...she could be killed at any time...etc...he rationalizes it.

I could be wrong and the guy is a disgusting, gross, pig like Rifkin...but I think he is going to be an outwardly together and charming person.

I think you are right.

This is where I think many profiles are wrong. They say killers will choose prostitutes because they are willing to choose risky behaviors, that they are usually out of touch with anyone close to them so they tend not to be reported as quickly. And that because they do choose this lifestyle that sometimes they aren't listened to by persons in authority. Which makes them very silent victims. And all these things are true.

IMO SK's tend to objectify their victims. They aren't girls or women or persons with feelings and thoughts, they are 'its.' And prostitutes are easy to objectify. They are paid for their services, so easy to see them as just a receptacle. They are often protective of their backgrounds with the johns, so give little info and/or lie about the info. They are paid employees who will do what they are paid to do, their own preferences aren't even in the equation. (and I think that point is important to this guy, they "own" the prostitute." Also the sk can look at them with some contempt. They are doing something that isn't socially acceptable. Therefore they aren't socially acceptable in the sk thoughts.

I think this guy is probably very charming with women. And probably has had relationships, but maybe had trouble with being fully engaged in the relationships. Guy friends probably see this guy as a good friend, a nice guy a lot of fun. Neighbors probably have noticed some problems with him, but basically see him as an ok guy. (He won't be the guy planning the block party, but would probably show up for a little while.) Women probably see him as nice and charming, but emotionally distant. But yeah, they would go out with him.

But yeah, this guy is very familiar with the escort/prostitute system. They know him and he knows them. He probably prefers prostitutes than other women, but has other relationships in order to be more socially acceptable.

There has been talk on here about the rating/fan sites. I think it is likely that this guy has read there, maybe even posted there. Pay special attention to any talk about the id'd missing and/or dead prostitutes, or talk about reaction from the local sex workers. (ie comments about less traffic, or fear among the workers, more restrictions etc. )
 
Did anyone post this already?

http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?regionId=1&articleId=279098&position=1&news_type=news

I find this just outrageous. I think Shannon's sister and family are completely credible. I think they have been treated badly and LE dropped the ball when Shannon went missing and are trying to cover their arses. Richard Dormer annoys me anyway and I'm beginning to question his competence. The Nassau County representative who called the SK an "animal" gave me a lot more faith that they would actually do something! I wonder if Shannon came from a wealthy family and wasn't a prostitute if they would listen to what the family said.
 
The problem is, sleuthers like us would never be able to name a name that we have painstakingly distilled from the presented information, because it would be against rules.
 
A comfort zone
Right but the comfort zone is dependent upon the killer's motivations. For clarification and to provide context, following is an outline that covers various areas that need to be sussed out in order to generate a viable profile. And even with answers to these, one can only get a general feel wrt psychological markers.

Defining Characteristics
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Victimology: This is a key component when profiling a crime. For example, did the victims live high-risk lifestyles? Did they have an internet presence (i.e., myspace, facebook, xanga, usenet, online classifieds)? Do they share physical appearance? Are they related or known to each other? Knowing the answers to these type of questions can help to narrow down the suspect typology.

Number of Crimes Scenes: This number can be as few as one. Multiple crime scenes might include where the victim met the unsub, where they were held/tortured/assaulted, where they were murdered, where their body was dumped.

Environment/Place/Times of Crimes: This area addresses when and where each part of the crime occurred. For example, was the victim assaulted at home, in the middle of the night? Were they abducted in the middle of a busy intersection in broad daylight? Do the body dumps indicate any sort of pattern? For example, are the crimes clustered close together or far apart? The goal of this section is to determine the unsub's degree of risk taking, as well as determine the unsub's comfort zone.

For example, if the crimes seem to be dispersed in a general pattern that indicates the dispersal is limited by travel distance, while having a "clear" area in the center, the killer's comfort zone would be no closer than x-feet/miles from their residence and no further than a distance they can drive in, say, a day. Whereas, if the crimes take place within and around the killer's residencs, the killer's comfort zone would be no further away from the residence than x-feet/miles. The prior indicates a larger degree of control and lower risk taking, whereas the latter indicates less control (they are compelled to be near the body) and higher risk taking.

Number of Offenders: Was the crime committed by one, two, or more individuals working together?

Organized or Disorganized: Does the crime scene indicate the unsub is organized or disorganized? Was the unsub very methodical, leaving little to no trace evidence... Or did they seem disorganized, leaving the crime scene in disarray, such as a blitz attack, with no attention paid to leaving trace evidence. Most crime scenes are a mix, btw. So the key here is to identify anything that notably deviates.

Physical (trace) Evidence: Were fingerprints, blood, or items left at the crime scene that could help to identify the unsub?

Weapons Used: What type of weapons were used? Were the weapons brought with, or did the unsub use whatever weapons were available? For example, did s/he bring a .45 calibur firearm as opposed to killing the victim with a knife that was in the victim's kitchen? Disorganized unsubs are more likely to use a weapon found at the scene. Also, knives are more up close and personal than firearms.

Body Disposition: How and where was the body disposed? For example, was the body weighted and dumped in a lake? Left at the side of a busy thouroughfare? Was the body posed? This determination helps to indicate the unsub's level of desire to hide their crime as well as possible motive.

Items Left/Missing: Was anything left at the crimescene (a calling card) or taken from the crime scene (a trophy)?

Staging (if applicable): Staging often refers to modifying the crime scene in a way to divert investigators. For example, a staged kidnapping to cover for a murder. Staging is not to be confused with "posing" the victim's body.

Posing (if applicable): Posing refers to arranging the body after death. For example, a sexual sadist may lay his victim on his/or her back, bend the knees and tilt them outwards and to the side, to "expose" his victim, in death, to the public. Posing tends to be a compulsive act (i.e., must be done to complete the ritual) and may be indicative psychological markers that can be used to narrow down the unsub pool. Furthermore, those who pose their victims will be more compelled to revisit the crime scene. Just so they can "admire" their work.

Cause of Death: How did the victim die? For example, were they stabbed multiple times (i.e., overkill), shot once through the head (i.e., execution style)? The cause of death can lend insight into the unsub's preferred killing habits.

Trauma: Exclusive of the cause of death, what other trauma did the victim suffer? Were they raped and/or tortured? Were they disemboweld? Did the trauma occur before or after death? The amount and type of torture as well as when it was executed indicates the degree sadistic personality characteristics.

Sexual Assault: Was the victim sexually assaulted? If so, was the assault before or after they died. What was the nature of the assault? If present, this indicates sexual motivation component of the murder.
When considering this case in the context of the above, you can see we (the public) has very little information regarding this case. And why should we? After all, LE needs to be able to rule out cranks who call to confess to the murders. And, even if we did have more information, some cases remain unsolved. Consider Atlantic City, Daytona, Jennings, and Albuquerque. Then there are older cases, such as Zodiac and the Phantom. And recall how long it took to solve the Green River Killer & BTK? Though, the latter was not due to any sort of super sleuthing, rather a result of BTK's own arrogance and need to be recognized.
 
Reading all your posts tonight it made me wonder of all the serial killers out there that roam American streets, what is the percentage of them that do eventually get caught?

Google did me no good, and all I could find out is " . . . There are the statistics that tell us that "the United States, with 5 percent or less of the world's total population, has produced 76 percent of all known serial killers in the 20th century (closer to 85 percent since 1980)."

http://www.goodreports.net/reviews/theencyclopediaofserialkillers.htm

That is allot of them for sure. But we have read here for years that at any given time there are 50 SK's at work in the States. I know many killers are caught and LE is unaware of other kills they might have made.


The reason I ask here is I'm wondering what the ODDS are here that LE will find and apprehend this particular SK.
 
The environment the victims were found in is a key factor for me in thinking about suspects.
 
Reading all your posts tonight it made me wonder of all the serial killers out there that roam American streets, what is the percentage of them that do eventually get caught?

Google did me no good, and all I could find out is " . . . There are the statistics that tell us that "the United States, with 5 percent or less of the world's total population, has produced 76 percent of all known serial killers in the 20th century (closer to 85 percent since 1980)."

http://www.goodreports.net/reviews/theencyclopediaofserialkillers.htm

That is allot of them for sure. But we have read here for years that at any given time there are 50 SK's at work in the States. I know many killers are caught and LE is unaware of other kills they might have made.


The reason I ask here is I'm wondering what the ODDS are here that LE will find and apprehend this particular SK.

JMO. But I believe that as long as the killer is never id'd as a serial killer, he will get by for a very long time. Because lots of practice leads to a better expert. The less public attention the killer gets, the longer it will take to id him. The more risky the lifestyle, the longer it will take to id the sk.

He could have continued indefinately as long as physically able, as long as no one knew it was a serial killer. He was good at doing it without attracting attention to himself, he chose victims that little attention would be paid to. He had a successfull method of dumping remains.

All of those things means that it was more likley he could continue, and if he ever got caught it would most likely be from stupid chance thing. Like getting a traffic stop at the wrong time or a person passing him at an importune time and becoming a witness.

But once the dump site was found, he runs a higher chance of being caught. Because now there is public interest, public pressure on LE and hopefully more cooperation from possible witnesses.

Anybody familiar with the Canadian Pickton murders? This case strongly reminds me of that case for some reason.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/robert_pickton/6.html
 
Yes I'm somewhat familiar with the Pickton case, and I think I pushed the thanks button to you for mentioning that earlier. How totally bizarre is that scenario?

Instead of pigs and mud though, we have clams and sand.

and, of course, prostitutes

Horrifying and true.
 
Pickton had a torture trailer. I've been posting here for awhile that I think the sk here has a torture shed or shack.

Pickton butchered the victims, like pigs. Speculation has been that the sk here is a fisherman.

Very disturbing.
 
Pickton had a torture trailer. I've been posting here for awhile that I think the sk here has a torture shed or shack.

Pickton butchered the victims, like pigs. Speculation has been that the sk here is a fisherman.

Very disturbing.

Hi Concentric, Pat Brown also said she believes this SK tortures his victims.

I thought I saw an article where LE had come out with a profile of this SK but now can't find it. Have you seen anything like this? Ta
 
Long Island serial killer profile being developed by investigators, experts

Investigators have come up with a profile that indicates the killer is likely a Caucasian male between the ages of 25 and 40, who has an above average intellect and is street savvy. He may or may not be someone who stands out among the over 7 million residents of the Long Island area. There has also been speculation that he works in law enforcement or has formerly worked in such a position due to his apparent knowledge of police procedure and technique.

Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Park Dietz told Investigation Discovery “[These are] among the many sorts of mythologies that creep into news stories and, sadly, into some police work.”

Dietz has his own thoughts about the killer saying, “Look at this from the offender’s point of view… If you are a male whose primary sexual interest is serious torture, watching the victim die as she is strangled or having sex with a corpse, it is hard to find a consenting partner.”
Full Article: click here

For those unfamiliar with Park Dietz... The Dark World of Park Dietz ( link )
 
Here is what I have so far RL Name/Stage Name/ Date Last Seen/ Phone Number:

[FONT=&quot]Maureen Brainard-Barnes - Jasmine - 7/9/2007[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Melissa Barthelemy - Chloe - 7/12/2009[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shannon Gilbert - Sabrina - 5/1/2010[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Megan Waterman - Lexy - 6/6/2010[/FONT][FONT=&quot] ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]207 807 9290)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Amber Lynn Costello - Carolina - 9/2/2010 ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]*advertiser censored* *advertiser censored* xxxx)[/FONT]

A few things I will add:

MW: 2 spellings of working name, "Lexy" and/or "Lexi"

MBB : may also have gone by "Chantel"

ALC : may also have gone by "Christina" , additionally a number given for ALC was also used for a girl named "Jasmine". Someone pointed out that this could be the phone number of a pimp, and I suppose it could be, but it makes one wonder if "Jasmine" is ALC, another girl, or MBB. I'm sure the girls recycle and duplicate names all the time, but the coincidence of 2 of our victims working names shows up under the same numberis interesting to me. May mean nothing, but I'm putting it out here anyway.
 
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