NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #7

[Ama11]

Any known connection between PH and the drug rehablitation clinic in Hauppauge, NY?
Does he have a history of working with addicts or is that just a rumor?

 

[cleo612]

I copied the quoted segment below from another crimeboard. Credit goes to Michael Kay

"Colleen McNamee, she was also last seen in the area of Hauppauge leaving a drug rehab clinic which if you are local you know it is in the vicinity of the state office buildings which house the courts, DMV, etc.. I strongly believe that the killer has the ability to know where they will be meeting with clients and picks them up AFTER they leave a job and that is the abduction point. I dont believe its someone as obvious as a pimp, I think it is possibly a john who cancels on these girls last minute or does a no show and grabs them when they are ready to leave. Im sorry for taking up so much of the board and I hope this helps. And I also hope I can be helpful with my knowledge of the locality and the other information I have."

Colleen is mentioned in the Manorville case. Her cause of death was strangulation.

"Colleen McNamee, 20, of Holbrook and Rita Tangredi-Beinlich, 31, of East Patchogue who died from strangulation in 1994 and discovered in different locations. "

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/03/24/long-islands-other-serial-killer/6/

This post makes me wonder if possibly the SK is "cloning" cell phones of the escorts that he picks up.

Scenario: He calls an escort, meets with her once or even a few times, covertly "clones" her phone, then sends her merrily on her way.

Since the girl would have no idea that her phone had been cloned, the john could secretly be listening in on her phone calls, gathering pertinent information as to subsequent "dates" that are made between the escort and other johns.

Because the cloning is so secretive, the escort would be none the wiser. When a phone is cloned, all calls can be heard on a different phone as if the call had originally been made to that same (cloned) phone.

The john with the cloned phone could then lay in wait for the escort to leave an appointment, and then goes about murdering her at some date in the future.

No recent calls would be traced back to the murderous john, thus putting distance between the escort and any recent contact with the murderous john.

This type of cloning would also give the john information as to private/personal calls that the escort makes, such as to her family--thus, names of relatives, phone numbers to someone's workplace, etc. would be made available to the john without the escort's knowledge.

I do not know how cloning is done, but my understanding is that it is fairly easy to do, if one has a mind to do so. I am almost certain that one could find instructions for cloning by doing a Google search.

 

[shadowraiths]

This is a repost of a link containing an April 14th video wherein the reporter states, and I quote:

Robin: "Police are narrowing in on several people of interest right now."

[...]

Andrea: "And we'll get to those possible persons of interest in just a moment. We're learning the killer could actually be living a normal life in this community."​

 

[strach304]

This post makes me wonder if possibly the SK is "cloning" cell phones of the escorts that he picks up.

Scenario: He calls an escort, meets with her once or even a few times, covertly "clones" her phone, then sends her merrily on her way.

Since the girl would have no idea that her phone had been cloned, the john could secretly be listening in on her phone calls, gathering pertinent information as to subsequent "dates" that are made between the escort and other johns.

Because the cloning is so secretive, the escort would be none the wiser. When a phone is cloned, all calls can be heard on a different phone as if the call had originally been made to that same (cloned) phone.

The john with the cloned phone could then lay in wait for the escort to leave an appointment, and then goes about murdering her at some date in the future.

No recent calls would be traced back to the murderous john, thus putting distance between the escort and any recent contact with the murderous john.

This type of cloning would also give the john information as to private/personal calls that the escort makes, such as to her family--thus, names of relatives, phone numbers to someone's workplace, etc. would be made available to the john without the escort's knowledge.

I do not know how cloning is done, but my understanding is that it is fairly easy to do, if one has a mind to do so. I am almost certain that one could find instructions for cloning by doing a Google search.

I do not know if it is the same thing but there is a way to bug a cell phone if you have access to it where you can listen to the persons conversations not just the calls but if the phone is in the anywhere in the room or wherever really. I first heard about it on the internet. I want to say it was about three years ago. Then there was a case where a woman's ex did this to her phone and listened in on everything. Not only phone calls but conversations taking place in her home. Acts like a FBI bug where you can listen in on anything taking place in hearing range through the phone. I haven't thought about that in a long time. Good theory!

 

[silversurvivor]

a quick note.. i forgot that the non locals wouldnt know a commercial license plated vehicle would not be allowed on ocean pkwy. it has to be a state vehicle or a regular plate to be on a parkway on long island.

 

[goathairjones]

A drug rehab center? Now that's VERY interesting.

Here's a little information about the town of Hauppauge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauppauge,_New_York One especially interesting item: The Hauppauge Industrial Park, located at the edge of the hamlet, is the largest on Long Island, and by some accounts the second largest in the nation. The park has over 1,300 companies, and employs over 55,000 Long Islanders.

So this is an area with a lot of commuters and most likely a lot of regular business travelers visiting companies in the industrial park.

I found these drug rehab centers listed on one site:

* From the Ashes, Incorporated CD OP
300 Motor Parkway Hauppauge, NY 11788

* Suffolk County Div of Community Health
725 Veterans Memorial Highway Hauppauge, NY 11788
www.co.suffolk.ny.us

* Suffolk County Hauppauge
200 Wireless Boulevard Hauppauge, NY 11788

I doubt that's an exhaustive list.

carbuff,

The rehab clinic they are talking about is Apple Medical:

220 Veterans Memorial Highway
Hauppauge, NY 11788

It is by the state office buildings in Hauppauge, NY.

 

[goathairjones]

I don't know when the following interview with GC was done (GC is warmly dressed and there is some snow on the ground). His house is behind him, but over his right shoulder there are men at work on a building that appears to be in the early stages of construction. The contactor sign on the building appears to be Darius (or Clarius?). It's in such close proximity to where SG was last seen, that hopefully LE has checked with that firm to determine if the building was under construction at the time of SG's disappearance, and what sub-contractors may have been involved in that construction site.

Shannan Gilbert 24 :: Gustav Coletti video by WebsleuthsCommunityAlbums - Photobucket

sillybilly,

I think that video was taken when the bodies were found in December. That construction was probably not going on at the time of SG's disappearance.

 

[internetgirl101]

Reannan, thanks for that link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ng-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/#

A lot of new info! Did anyone catch that MB was supposed to meet a client in Jersey City, and that is where SG came from. I wonder if there is a connection there...

"A few of the numbers belonged to her regular clients, one of whom was a married man who told police that Barthelemy didn't show up for their scheduled date at a motel in Jersey City."

 

[Reannan]

Interesting that Melissa Barthelemy's boyfriend received strange phone calls after she went missing:

"Around the same time, Terry said he began to get his own taunting phone calls. His calls were from a "white guy," he said. "He was threatening me," recalled Terry. "He said, you like to do some crazy stuff with Melissa, I know where you be at. Most of the time he seemed to be drunk. He knew who I was. He knew I had tattoos on my back. Maybe he felt [Melissa] was doing something he didn't like."
Terry said the anonymous caller called him more than 30 times over a period of eight months. He said he reported the calls to the cops. Months later, Terry said, he was approached by the police again, but this time not as a suspect. They wanted to know about the john on Long Island. They asked if he could describe the house and if he could pick it out if he was taken there. He said he could.
"They already knew about the guy in Long Island," he said. "I said if they come to get me I would go. They didn't come."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/...emythelongislandserialkillervictimssecretlife

 

[Aleph]

Reannan, thanks for that link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ng-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/#

Seconding thanks to Reannan. Another interesting tidbit from the same article (SBM):

Detectives and family members combed through [MB's] phone records...A few of the numbers belonged to her regular clients...Other numbers were traced to throwaway phones purchased in Manhattan. One of the phones was linked to the name Mickey Mouse.

We had always assumed the killer used throwaway phones, but this appears to be confirmation. And now we know where he bought them, and another Manhattan connection. For those of you theorizing that the killer works in the city, here's more evidence pointing in that direction.

 

[crimesnooper]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ong-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/
Her mother had no idea Melissa was advertising on Craigslist, selling her body on the streets of New York City, and working, on occasion, for an escort agency called James Bond Entertainment under the pseudonym Chloe. She also didn't know that on the night her daughter disappeared, she had lined up a date to the tune of $1,000.

“I think he wines and dines them and brings them back to his house,” said a law-enforcement source.


Earlier that evening, the blond beauty told her boyfriend that she might be going to Long Island, a frequent haunt of hers. She regularly hung out there with a girlfriend who also worked as an online escort, as well as at the home of a regular client. Her boyfriend said he would oftentimes pick her up from the john's house.

"She would go to Long Island a lot," said her boyfriend Johnny Terry, who spoke exclusively with The Daily Beast. "She had some older man she was chummy with."

Terry, who law-enforcement sources say was Barthelemy's pimp, said she was very secretive about her plans that night and declined an offer for a ride. "This time she said no," said Terry, who denies that he was her pimp. "I woke up in the morning and she wasn't there."


So we have all four women we now know were on LI most likely. I have also read several accounts that MBB's phone was pinged on LI, and not Port A. So what do they have in common beside the LI placement. I find it odd that two of them MB and ALC had men/bf. pimps and were somewhat secretative about were they were going the last night.
Also ALC uses her male roomates' phone for connections and she was negotiating three to four p calls with the "date" according to the roomate. ok but why 3 to 4 calls? If it was not someone she knows, why all that talking. You get a call, you have a price, you say yes or no. The negotiating process tells me she had something to bargain with outside the regular stuff. May not have been sexual. May have been..jeez you live way out..don't want to spend that kind of time. Who knows. She was comfortable and knew something that would up the price.

 

[crimesnooper]

Part two..
So if ALC has 3 to 4 calls on her roomates' phone and he still has the phone, can LE tell where the PCs came from even if it's a disposable phone?
Also it seems that the "dates" were rather last minute. Not all that prearranged as in it's Tuesday today, lets book that for Friday. If Sk is married then he needs last minute or same day bookings so he knows when the family will be out.
I still go with older, local, has some money, his profession does not bind him in a 9-5, can zip into the city quickly if need be, has a "relationship" with the women before hand
and has been around LE or medical personnel. Also might be in a profession that gives him leeway that he has to be out for of the house, neighborhood without much notice. Like a medical emergency.

 

[Reannan]

Probably not related at all, but it would be a great way to destroy a crime scene if you thought LE was getting close...

"A massive explosion obliterated an empty house on Long Island this morning, blowing out the windows of neighboring homes, sending 21 people to area hospitals and rocketing shoes, bedding and an umbrella into the top branches of neighboring trees."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/24/21-injured-long-island-house-explosion/?test=latestnews

(Guess I read too much True Crime, and have a very vivid imagination). :crazy:

 

[carbuff]

a quick note.. i forgot that the non locals wouldnt know a commercial license plated vehicle would not be allowed on ocean pkwy. it has to be a state vehicle or a regular plate to be on a parkway on long island.

Could you elaborate on the significance of this? Most of the vehicles we've looked at have been some sort of state or municipal vehicle, or private trucks. We considered a business vehicle, but those could be expected to have a more prominent logo. You're saying we can eliminate a business vehicle entirely?

Does that mean if you live in one of those housing developments in the area, you can't have a plumber or an exterminator come to your house to do work?

Thanks in advance.

 

[carbuff]

Seconding thanks to Reannan. Another interesting tidbit from the same article (SBM):



We had always assumed the killer used throwaway phones, but this appears to be confirmation. And now we know where he bought them, and another Manhattan connection. For those of you theorizing that the killer works in the city, here's more evidence pointing in that direction.

I thought that passage was talking about the record of phone calls to/from her johns for several months back -- one of whom might have been the killer, but we don't know that for sure. So while it tends to confirm, it isn't really a very big piece of evidence. We could have kind of guessed that lots of johns use throwaway phones to make their contacts. Nice to have that confirmed

 

[NJGuy]

Part two..
So if ALC has 3 to 4 calls on her roomates' phone and he still has the phone, can LE tell where the PCs came from even if it's a disposable phone?
Also it seems that the "dates" were rather last minute. Not all that prearranged as in it's Tuesday today, lets book that for Friday. If Sk is married then he needs last minute or same day bookings so he knows when the family will be out.
I still go with older, local, has some money, his profession does not bind him in a 9-5, can zip into the city quickly if need be, has a "relationship" with the women before hand
and has been around LE or medical personnel. Also might be in a profession that gives him leeway that he has to be out for of the house, neighborhood without much notice. Like a medical emergency.

I agree with much of what you wrote, the only thing I'll point out is that these johns, much like the girls, are notoriously unreliable. So if a john calls a girl and says he wants to book for 3 days from now, she will almost always not take that seriously. And if the john happens to be serious and calls on that day, she'll arrange or rearrange her schedule to meet. If anyone has signed up for national blacklist, you'll see girls posting that so and so called but never showed, so and so likes to call just to talk to the girls and that's what gets him excited. The only way I can see making a future booking is if the john had a prior relationship with the girl....and that was as you said as well. So it's possible he had seen each girl enough times where he was able to book something a few days in advance.

Additionally, with these new reports coming out and being posted today, it confirms what I thought all along, the SK calls and hires each of these girls with the promise of an overnight date....the easiest way to get a girl to travel long distances and also be very vague with the other ppl in their lives.

I'm willing to bet there are many more CL girls that turned the SK down over the phone, and partly why these girls traveled from all over. It took some work on his part to get girls to travel to him

 

[carbuff]

In re MBB, here's another article ( link )

My sister maureen Has been missinf since July 10 2007. [...] We reported her missing through our local police department. while I called Ny and reported her missing to them. They said that the last call ping off her cell phone was a water town on long island.​

Eta ~ watertown is in upstate NY

So why did you change your mind about this? I'm reading it the same way you did -- there's no "water town" on Long Island.

 

[carbuff]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ong-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/
Snipped for brevity

So we have all four women we now know were on LI most likely. I have also read several accounts that MBB's phone was pinged on LI, and not Port A. So what do they have in common beside the LI placement. I find it odd that two of them MB and ALC had men/bf. pimps and were somewhat secretative about were they were going the last night.
Also ALC uses her male roomates' phone for connections and she was negotiating three to four p calls with the "date" according to the roomate. ok but why 3 to 4 calls? If it was not someone she knows, why all that talking. You get a call, you have a price, you say yes or no. The negotiating process tells me she had something to bargain with outside the regular stuff. May not have been sexual. May have been..jeez you live way out..don't want to spend that kind of time. Who knows. She was comfortable and knew something that would up the price.

bbm -- The last phone call was traced to the Port Authority terminal. The last ping (apparently not associated with a phone call) is said to be from Long Island.

 

[minazoe]

has anyone checked the hospital blog? curious how that post about Mr.Hyde came to be?

the one that says the he was arrested and is sitting in the county clink.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

Something inside keeps telling me that the head found in the bag on Oak Beach is going to link back to Taylor. Just a feeling, but it's a powerful one. If it does link back, does that mean Taylor (and the other Manorville victims) is the work of our SK? I haven't a clue at this point. Until we get some id on the latest remains found, I'm completely stumped as to whether our SK even has an m.o. we can use for profiling. I would think he'd stick to a pattern (ie; strangulation, burlap bags, leaving bodies whole), but now, I just can't say that with any certainty. I honestly no longer know what I think. :banghead:

I think it's the same sk from Manorville to AC to Gilgo. MO's do change. He first began with dismemberment. That takes a lot of work and cleaning and he is getting up there in age--or--perhaps his living arrangement has changed and he can no longer dismember like he would like to. He's also getting better with what he does. Whatever you practice--you get good at. His fantasies are evolving and he is doing different things.