NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #9

[Theforeigner]

Possible new case of interest, especially if it turns out that the victim was a prostitue.

The location were this murder victims was found, is ca 50 miles straight east of Ellensville NY were Shannan Gilbert is originally from.
And it is, according to my reseach, ca 16 miles S/E from murder victim Jessica Taylors original home address in Poughkeepsie NY :

LAGRANGE, N.Y. — Police say a body found burned beyond recognition in a state park in New York's Hudson Valley is a black or Hispanic female in her late teens or early 20s.

They won't say more about how she died as the investigation continues.

Firefighters responding to a call for a brush fire found the body at 5:15 a.m. Sunday at James Baird Park in the Dutchess County town of Lagrange.

The victim, 5-feet-9-inches tall and about 150 pounds, had an elaborate flower tattoo on her lower back. State police are asking anyone with information to come forward

More newsreports:

http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2011/June/14/LaGrange_body-14Jun11.html



http://www.democratandchronicle.com...eeded-Baird-park-burned-body?odyssey=nav|head


Here is info on Jessica Taylor beeing from Poughkeepsie NY :

July 26, 2003 - Jessica Taylor 20 years old torso found at Halsey Manor Road and the Long Island Expressway
White
5-foot-5 and under 125 pounds
Body nude
Previous arrested in Washington, DC they recognized her Angel tatto
last seen working in Manhattan in mid-July of 2003
upstate native who had relocated to New York City in July 2003

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/manorville-ny/T8UKTF0BVCOKH5N2D

posted Feb 16, 2008 by "remired" from Brooklyn, NY

"Jessica Taylor was not from DC she was from up state new york in pakepesee"

CORRECT SPELLING IMO: Poughkeepsie NY

 

[goathairjones]

I was sitting in a parking lot just south of MacArthur Airport today and a Black Hawk Helicopter flew over and I could swear it was the FBI Black Hawk Helicopter. It was the same color as the FBI Surveillance Helicopter (Flat Black) as opposed to Army Drab. And it had that square cut-out on the bottom where I presume the camera is. It could certainly be one of the Air National Guard Black Hawks stationed at MacArthur Airport but it looked so much like the FBI Surveillance Black Hawk.

I wonder if they are still surveying different areas on Long Island with the special camera???

 

[bearschick]

I live south of the airport. If thats the helicopter I think it is we see it all the time here. I think theres 3 or 4 of them out there.

 

[truthspider]

Internetgirl, I think there may be some speculation in OBC as to who may be responsible for taking SG, but none of the residents want to name this person (for legal reasons or just out of fear).



If JB stayed in the house, he would have no idea that SG didn't get into MP's car.



MP is from Flushing, Queens. I forgot which was the correct address but you can find it here:

http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_za...NY&ref=&se=&doby=&city=&name_style=1&tm=&tmr=



Being from Flushing, Queens, it is very unlikely that he knew this area well. Suffolk County is VERY different from Queens. But if he had a GPS, he could have gotten there and back very easily. Maybe he just didn't trust SG.



No, not CPH. My guess would be JC or EC on Anchor.



Sandy Drive is the same street as Galley East St. Here is a good link to this info:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/27-Sandy-Dr-Oak-Beach-NY-11702/2146817669_zpid/




Yes, she ran down Galley East (Sandy Drive) and then ran back to GC's house and hid under the boat and then ran towards the gatehouse and turned south down Anchor to EC's house.

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I don't think JB is lying here. He didn't fit in down in Oak Beach and I don't believe he had any friends down there (other than his supplier). I think he thought that SG got directly into MP's SUV or MP chased her down and eventually persuaded her to get in so they could go home. I don't think JB knew that SG went missing until MP and the boyfriend called him 3 days later.

Can you be more specific about your term supplier? If you mean drugs of any kind do you know any specifics? what kinds?

 

[goathairjones]

Suffolk County Crime Stoppers increases reward to $25K:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8194096

 

[Theforeigner]

Possible new case of interest, especially if it turns out that the victim was a prostitue.

The location were this murder victims was found, is ca 50 miles straight east of Ellensville NY were Shannan Gilbert is originally from.
And it is, according to my reseach, ca 16 miles S/E from murder victim Jessica Taylors original home address in Poughkeepsie NY :

LAGRANGE, N.Y. — Police say a body found burned beyond recognition in a state park in New York's Hudson Valley is a black or Hispanic female in her late teens or early 20s.

They won't say more about how she died as the investigation continues.

Firefighters responding to a call for a brush fire found the body at 5:15 a.m. Sunday at James Baird Park in the Dutchess County town of Lagrange.

The victim, 5-feet-9-inches tall and about 150 pounds, had an elaborate flower tattoo on her lower back. State police are asking anyone with information to come forward

More newsreports:

http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2011/June/14/LaGrange_body-14Jun11.html



http://www.democratandchronicle.com...eeded-Baird-park-burned-body?odyssey=nav|head


Here is info on Jessica Taylor beeing from Poughkeepsie NY :

July 26, 2003 - Jessica Taylor 20 years old torso found at Halsey Manor Road and the Long Island Expressway
White
5-foot-5 and under 125 pounds
Body nude
Previous arrested in Washington, DC they recognized her Angel tatto
last seen working in Manhattan in mid-July of 2003
upstate native who had relocated to New York City in July 2003

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/manorville-ny/T8UKTF0BVCOKH5N2D

posted Feb 16, 2008 by "remired" from Brooklyn, NY

"Jessica Taylor was not from DC she was from up state new york in pakepesee"

CORRECT SPELLING IMO: Poughkeepsie NY

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/...k-body?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

Police to hold press conference today on Baird park body‎


HAWTHORNE, Westchester County — State police have scheduled a press conference today to release new details on the homicide investigation into the woman whose body was found on fire in James Baird Park in the Town of LaGrange.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

If anyone could kindly post a link to the presser, I would be much obliged

wm

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Oooooo!!!! Great sleuthing Ashley!!!! He admits that he contacted her thru CL and also basically admits that it was a problem for him that she had a driver! WTH! why didn't we catch this earlier in the case?
Just goes to show that as time goes by, details become a bit clearer as we revisit them!

MOO wm

I have a few days to catch up on here so I'll take things one by one for now.
Newsday has a habit of updating the same article over and over again. So we all may have read this article before it said this. Then 12 or maybe even 24 hours later this article may have been updated.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Respectfully snipped and BBM. Great points, internetgirl. The part I bolded interests me a lot because the obvious implication is that when Gilbert asked JB if he had ever hired an escort for sex before, he said yes, otherwise the second part of the question wouldn't have been asked. That blows his whole "social networking" story out of the water (as well as earlier interviews in which he said he just invited her over for company, not for sex). He knew she was an escort and he brought her there for sex (I know we all knew this already, I'm just pointing out the obvious holes in JB's stories).

Got to love when a the answer to a lie uncovers the lie! :floorlaugh:

 

[KPCrimeNY]

this is absolutely an awesome find....I guess many of us were out of the loop on some of the articles because they require a subscription.
Thanks! for posting

and IMO this certainly puts to rest the notion that Brewer couldn't be the killer simply because Gilbert had a driver....

He didn't *know* she was having a driver bring her!

and Ashley if you can find it....I swear I recall an interview or article on Brewer where he stated he went looking for her when she ran off...

Ever need something from Newsday let me know if I can help.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Hi, Ashley123. I think that when one hires anyone, presumably hookers included, you expect that they will be coming alone. I have never hired a sex worker (I'm a man), but I suspect that if she showed up with a male escort, my natural nervousness would be heightened by the apprehension that something more complicated might be going on. (When two plumbers showed up at my apartment one morning, I made it a point to keep a watchful eye on both.) And I don't think that he's being inconsistent, at all: If one thing makes you uncomfortable, it's only logical that other details might worry you too.

More than once, JB has said that Shannan didn't look like her picture, which makes some sense: Like other people on dating and escort sites, she not only fibbed about her age (making herself three years younger), but she also probably transmitted a picture that showed her more youthful, alluring, and vibrant than she probably looked at two a.m.

If anal sex (and it's possible that's what the lubricant was for) or transvestites were mentioned in their early conversation, it might indeed have made him more worried.

As for the time estimates, studies show that they are frequently inaccurate unless they are locked into recurring events. Fortunately, in the case of Ms. Gilbert, we have multiple records (video, audio, phone logs) to track what happened and where it occurred.

I don't know if Shannan and JB had sex or not that morning, but I do think that, given what we know, it didn't match whatever erotic fantasies that Mr. B. might have harbored. That might partially explain the request for a pack of cards.....

P.S. I hadn't read GoatHairJones' insights when I wrote my post.

BBM
First Bold.
I will have to disagree. Being from the area and I believe it being NY it may be different then other areas. I have been to bachelor parties where strippers were hired to come to the party. These girls were more high end as well. They came, took their tops off and did lap dances. There is others where a pair of girls will come and they will do much more. Think hardcore *advertiser censored*. Either way they come with bouncers either in the party, outside the party or both. So I think if you expect this girl to come alone your crazy.

Second Bold.
Said it before and I'll say it again. I believe this shows that she was not working independently. To me it shows a pimp that puts out mass messages with the picture of an airbrushed model on their and sends out your average girl like all of these girls.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

MrsPC,

I am not really defending Brewer. I just don't see him bringing a girl to his house to kill her.

JB is certainly a seedy character. But I just don't believe he is the killer.

Couldn't agree more.
Haven't the GB4 shown that he wouldn't be calling them to his house?
Am I wrong?

 

[Chanler]

BBM
First Bold.
I will have to disagree. Being from the area and I believe it being NY it may be different then other areas. I have been to bachelor parties where strippers were hired to come to the party. These girls were more high end as well. They came, took their tops off and did lap dances. There is others where a pair of girls will come and they will do much more. Think hardcore *advertiser censored*. Either way they come with bouncers either in the party, outside the party or both. So I think if you expect this girl to come alone your crazy.

Second Bold.
Said it before and I'll say it again. I believe this shows that she was not working independently. To me it shows a pimp that puts out mass messages with the picture of an airbrushed model on their and sends out your average girl like all of these girls.

Hi, KPCrimeNY. I live in New York too.

First bold: My point remains. JB wasn't hiring a team of escorts or a swarm of strippers for an erotic party; he was hiring one girl.

Second bold: One of the reasons that Craigslists became popular is that it enabled sex workers to become independent contractors. The idea that women (whether on Craigslist, Face Book, or elsewhere) would need some one's help in putting their best face forward is simply unfounded.

 

[Theforeigner]

Here are some info from newsreports from back in Dec 2010 (and one of them from may 2011)

Perhaps some of the info is misinformation due to published early on in the media coverage of Shannan Gilbert disapperance, OR maby not?

This newsreport is saying the Alex Diaz droped Shannan Gilbert of at JB’s house.

(Sorry for the huge link but it is only avaible on “cathed”)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...az+"&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com

Shannan Gilbert, who lived nearby on Long Bay and advertised her services on the Craigslist website, made a frantic pre-dawn 911 call after being dropped by her boyfriend-pimp, Alex Diaz, at the home of Joseph Brewer, who lived in a small, gated community on Oak Beach, on the eastern-most part of the island.



From a Dec 14 newsreport:

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/missing_jersey_city_woman_shan.html

The boyfriend, who police believe was also her pimp, told cops he last saw her on May 1 at 6 a.m.


And here is somthing on the drifter, comment to the Dec 16, 2010 newsreport:

http://animalnewyork.com/2010/12/west-islip-man-was-only-guilty-of-maybe-banging-a-hooker/

American Dreamer
HERE IS THE TRUTH: Joseph Brewer invited a drifter from Georgia to his home the same night that Shannon Gilbert was invited ot his home. Shannon was seen partying with both Joseph and the drifter. A short time later she banged on the door of the home of one of Brewer’s neighbors claiming “they’re” trying to kill me. That could only mean Brewer and the drifter.

Plus other neighbors saw Brewer and another man (presumably the drifter) carrying a large bag (presumably one of the burlap bags containing another victim) into a u-haul late at night a year earlier.

The drifter had a penchant for strippers in Atlantic City where there was a string of similar murders.

Sounds like these guys acted as a team.



And here another comment from the same newsreport:

Sherlock
He and his brother are landlords in West Islip, and two of his tenants disappeared. They were a young single mom and a very young child just over a year ago. The single mom was like a girlfriend of his, so i’ve been informed.



And here is another newsreport on the drifter:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nd_man_partied_with_missing_li_hooker_LqvHfXICfjJH 6uNATrrKmK

“A second man had been partying with missing Craigslist sex worker Shannon Gilbert the night she disappeared from a Long Island beach community….The man, a 48-year-old drifter with a penchant for strippers, was staying at the Oak Beach summer home owned by businessman Joseph Brewer, the john who hired Gilbert in May 2010 and was also with her that night….
His mom told The Post yesterday that her son had contacted her after Gilbert’s disappearance. She said she believes he is now somewhere in Georgia.
‘He called me,’ she said. ‘He told me not to worry if his name was in the papers related to the case.’”

 

[Chanler]

Here are some info from newsreports from back in Dec 2010 (and one of them from may 2011)

Perhaps some of the info is misinformation due to published early on in the media coverage of Shannan Gilbert disapperance, OR maby not?

This newsreport is saying the Alex Diaz droped Shannan Gilbert of at JB’s house.

(Sorry for the huge link but it is only avaible on “cathed&#8221

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cachet6W-8YRXXgJ:aap.newscentre.com.au/acci/110508/library/industry/25630176.html+%22+made+a+frantic+pre-dawn+911+call+after+being+dropped+by+her+boyfriend-pimp,+Alex+Diaz+%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com

Shannan Gilbert, who lived nearby on Long Bay and advertised her services on the Craigslist website, made a frantic pre-dawn 911 call after being dropped by her boyfriend-pimp, Alex Diaz, at the home of Joseph Brewer, who lived in a small, gated community on Oak Beach, on the eastern-most part of the island.



From a Dec 14 newsreport:

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/missing_jersey_city_woman_shan.html

The boyfriend, who police believe was also her pimp, told cops he last saw her on May 1 at 6 a.m.


And here is somthing on the drifter, comment to the Dec 16, 2010 newsreport:

http://animalnewyork.com/2010/12/west-islip-man-was-only-guilty-of-maybe-banging-a-hooker/

American Dreamer
HERE IS THE TRUTH: Joseph Brewer invited a drifter from Georgia to his home the same night that Shannon Gilbert was invited ot his home. Shannon was seen partying with both Joseph and the drifter. A short time later she banged on the door of the home of one of Brewer’s neighbors claiming “they’re” trying to kill me. That could only mean Brewer and the drifter.

Plus other neighbors saw Brewer and another man (presumably the drifter) carrying a large bag (presumably one of the burlap bags containing another victim) into a u-haul late at night a year earlier.

The drifter had a penchant for strippers in Atlantic City where there was a string of similar murders.

Sounds like these guys acted as a team.



And here another comment from the same newsreport:

Sherlock
He and his brother are landlords in West Islip, and two of his tenants disappeared. They were a young single mom and a very young child just over a year ago. The single mom was like a girlfriend of his, so i’ve been informed.



And here is another newsreport on the drifter:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nd_man_partied_with_missing_li_hooker_LqvHfXICfjJH 6uNATrrKmK

“A second man had been partying with missing Craigslist sex worker Shannon Gilbert the night she disappeared from a Long Island beach community….The man, a 48-year-old drifter with a penchant for strippers, was staying at the Oak Beach summer home owned by businessman Joseph Brewer, the john who hired Gilbert in May 2010 and was also with her that night….
His mom told The Post yesterday that her son had contacted her after Gilbert’s disappearance. She said she believes he is now somewhere in Georgia.
‘He called me,’ she said. ‘He told me not to worry if his name was in the papers related to the case.’”

Hi, TheForeigner, thanks for gathering these. (You and other people here are amazing.)

Shannan seems to have been supporting her boyfriend, but he doesn't seem to have been a pimp in any conventional sense. She had a regular driver and Diaz doesn't seem to have had either presence or control in our business transactions. He certainly doesn't seem to have interfered with her ongoing plans to exit the sex trade by advancing her education.

As for the mysterious "drifter", he seems to be known only through very indirect reports from unreliable sources and rumors. The house is certainly large enough to have some one staying there at 2 a.m. who was not participating in sex games or, for that matter, even awake. And who exactly was it who saw Shannan partying with Brewer and the "drifter" that night and why haven't we heard about that person too?

It's not uncommon in the early stages of cases to hear spicy tidbits and cobbled-together scenarios that later fall apart. That's how conspiracy grows.....
.

 

[MrsPC]

and the findshannangilbert.com site refers to Pak as the drifter doesn't it?

 

[dcgrumpy]

Hi, TheForeigner, thanks for gathering these. (You and other people here are amazing.)

Shannan seems to have been supporting her boyfriend, but he doesn't seem to have been a pimp in any conventional sense. She had a regular driver and Diaz doesn't seem to have had either presence or control in our business transactions. He certainly doesn't seem to have interfered with her ongoing plans to exit the sex trade by advancing her education.

As for the mysterious "drifter", he seems to be known only through very indirect reports from unreliable sources and rumors. The house is certainly large enough to have some one staying there at 2 a.m. who was not participating in sex games or, for that matter, even awake. And who exactly was it who saw Shannan partying with Brewer and the "drifter" that night and why haven't we heard about that person too?

It's not uncommon in the early stages of cases to hear spicy tidbits and cobbled-together scenarios that later fall apart. That's how conspiracy grows.....
.

Every story I've read about the drifter cites one NYPost article. I don't think there's anything to it.

 

[goathairjones]

Can you be more specific about your term supplier? If you mean drugs of any kind do you know any specifics? what kinds?

truthspider,

I am only speculating based on the information that JB and SG went for a short car ride when she got there but did not leave Oak Beach, "according to sources familiar with the investigation"

I do not have any first-hand knowledge of that!!! I do have a common friend with JB and when I mentioned to him about the short ride at 2AM and questioned whether it could have been a drug run, he said to me "JB was always a coke-head so it wouldn't surprise me."

That is all the information I got.

 

[Chanler]

truthspider,

I am only speculating based on the information that JB and SG went for a short car ride when she got there but did not leave Oak Beach, "according to sources familiar with the investigation"

I do not have any first-hand knowledge of that!!! I do have a common friend with JB and when I mentioned to him about the short ride at 2AM and questioned whether it could have been a drug run, he said to me "JB was always a coke-head so it wouldn't surprise me."

That is all the information I got.

Hi, Goathairjones. The coke-head information is interesting. However, I would imagine that a veteran coke-head would not wait until after 2 a.m. to replenish his supply. But then, like you, I'm not a coke-head.

 

[goathairjones]

Hi, Goathairjones. The coke-head information is interesting. However, I would imagine that a veteran coke-head would not wait until after 2 a.m. to replenish his supply. But then, like you, I'm not a coke-head.

Chanler,

Agreed, but what if SG had a special request? Say prescription drugs or something JB didn't have on hand.