NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #4

[fashionella]

does anyone know if the drivers carry a gun? would they have a concealed weapon permit allowed due to the nature of their job? not just driving around expensive girls, any client for that matter could potentially be a threat.

if shannon was trying to get back to the driver, why not just scream out to him when he ran into the house? instead she accused the driver and jb of trying to kill her.

now it's possible that's now how the event went down and we are just hearing jb and the drivers' versions. yet these drivers need to be prepared to get those girls out of a hostile situation with a john, they are supposed to be able to protect the girls.

the driver claims he ran out of the house after shannon, yet gc says the driver creeped up in the suv, opened the door, peeped out, then did it again.
its not like the driver was yelling out for shannon he was all stealth about it. gc had to ask him what he was doing.

See, I may be wrong--but I don't think the Asian was her driver. And if he was, he was someone she didn't know well. I'm thinking he is the preferred escort service JB and co. like to use. SG's sister said in the podcast that she used several services. Maybe, this service contacted her with the offer of a lot of money to come to OB, maybe she took the train from JC and this escort guy picked her up and took her there. I really don't know, this is very murky to me. I just think the Asian guy is a BAD guy.

 

[Wondergirl]

More bad news:

The serial killer who dumped his victim's bodies in the thick brush along several miles of New York's breathtaking beachfront may have dismembered several of them, law enforcement authorities have told ABC News.

The grisly twist was the latest revelation as police continued to uncover the murderous path carved along Long Island beaches by at least one killer.

Investigators have determined that bones found Monday were human, bringing the body count to nine and possibly 10 victims. It's still not clear whether a skull found alone Monday was part of victim number 9 or would be victim number 10.

The bodies were strung out over a 3.5 mile stretch of beach with five of the bodies spaced out about 500 feet apart, police said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/long-island-serial-killer-victims-dismembered/story?id=13354893

 

[scandi]

The whole page just seemed odd in the way it was presented. Something about it wasn't right. I'm sure more digging into could turn up something. I want to find the link in previous posts about the locations and maps of JB, The witness GC and the DR as well and see where the address I came up with fits into it, if at all

If we could find where the lady lives who opened the door to Shannan, it would be interesting to see where she lived in relationship to the dr, eh? Course he could have been out driving and seen her run from her house.

 

[Chanler]

And in that same story, it was also reported that the police didn't necessarily think the bodies were connected, or that that they'd even been murdered...!!! So clearly that early interview or their early statements aren't reliable...

Hi, Snapdragon, the interview was made in December. I don't think that the police statement that Brewer was fully cooperative is lessened by the fact that he was cooperative from the beginning.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

i guess he tried in a way by saying she had stayed there that night then left.
so giving them the false impression that she was safe that night, then took off again.
dealing with stereotypes, maybe some escorts don't check in with family a lot and go off with out telling them.
the killer wouldn't necessarily be aware that shannon and her family were close.

so possibly he'd think by telling them that she stayed and left, that she went somewhere else.

shannon's family was to smart for that.

i'm not sure what to make of this doctor, i'd guess that the sk pretended to be him to try and get attention away from gilgo and the hidey hole he had going on there.

"Hidey hole?" Alright, BTK. LMAO

 

[chemcopout]

How would the SK have even known that Shannon's family had reported her missing? They reported her missing to LE, so someone who is connected to LE would have had to be the one to make the call because the general public had never even heard of SG at that point in time. So.... we have a physician who allegedly called SG's Mom to tell her he had let her stay at his home the night she ran from JB's house and he had been trying to help her kick and addiction habit. Th physician (PH) is connected to LE, lives close to where SG would have run, and just happens to live in a community littered with the bodies of dead sex workers. That is a lot of pretty strange coincidences. Do we know for sure if he does operate some sort of rehab facility there at his home???

jb would know she was missing and those witnesses from that night would know. also a small community like that should gossip very quickly.

as it is in the past jb's neighbors mentioned watching him and another man load a uhaul at 2am without a light pretty much so we know the neighbors are healthily nosey =)

 

[Chanler]

See, I may be wrong--but I don't think the Asian was her driver. And if he was, he was someone she didn't know well. I'm thinking he is the preferred escort service JB and co. like to use. SG's sister said in the podcast that she used several services. Maybe, this service contacted her with the offer of a lot of money to come to OB, maybe she took the train from JC and this escort guy picked her up and took her there. I really don't know, this is very murky to me. I just think the Asian guy is a BAD guy.

Hi, Fashionella. In the radio interview, Shannan's sister said that she had previously been connected with two escorts services, but for some reason had left them, and was working on her own.

 

[MrsG728]

Hemlock Cove, tomorrow. I had posted in another thread that this is where the 4 bodies were found originally. At the westernmost corner of Hemlock cove, the water used to come up and flood the roadway- this happened all the time. They have since made a natural rock Jetty of sorts with a bunch of boulders and sea grasses. It sort of makes a barrier between the cove and roadway (Oc Parkway)

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/cops-gilgo-search-to-continue-underwater-1.2813778
The Gilgo Beach search will go underwater Wednesday in a hunt for more human remains, as well for the woman whose disappearance sparked the serial killer investigation, Suffolk police said.
Suffolk marine bureau divers Tuesday assessed conditions in Hemlock Cove between Oak and Gilgo beaches as part of a widening criminal investigation with as many as 10 victims.
At least four of them are suspected victims of a serial killer.


Moe at link, paid subscription.


Shouldn't they be searching on a sunny day? :waitasec:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Can someone clarify this:

I think the mom was called the day after she was reported missing to LE. The public knew nothing about her at that point. And her sister said LE didn't jump on it and the family was not at all happy with the local LE as they didn't make it public until later. So anything done to find Shannan at first was done by her family acc to Shere.

Of course the Dr just wanted to let the mom know she was OK, had spent the night with him and he treated her and she was OK.

It just sounds very suspicious to me and I think he knows exactly where she is - right now. I don't know if he is the SK tho.

You know, reading your post it dawned on me for the first time (duh!) that whoever DID call SG's mom, claiming to be the doctor, had to somehow know the mother's phone number. Either SG supplied it, or they got it from SG's cell phone, or they knew who SG's mom was and how to find her number.

We have SG missing, and not heard from since that night of the "party", so I doubt she gave the caller the number and asked him to call her mom and tell her she was okay. I also doubt that the caller knew SG's mom, or even knew her name. So, that leads me to believe the caller took the number from SG's cell phone. And since we have another case of the SK obtaining a family number from a victims cell phone, I think this is a reasonable assumption.

The question is: who exactly WAS that caller? :waitasec:

 

[laini]

Any thoughts on the body of the child found, who it might be? That is really bothering me.

I also wonder if there is a chance of these crimes getting their own section here on websleuths. I'm having a hard time keeping everything straight. I don't even know where to look for the questions I have.

 

[chemcopout]

I have no idea but if he does, my guess is he keeps them in a special place to him. Gosh...visions of the tv show "Dexter" is running through my mind right now.

no dexter has morals. i hope they bring back lumen they were so good together. sorry ot

 

[Chanler]

You know, reading your post it dawned on me for the first time (duh!) that whoever DID call SG's mom, claiming to be the doctor, had to somehow know the mother's phone number. Either SG supplied it, or they got it from SG's cell phone, or they knew who SG's mom was and how to find her number.

We have SG missing, and not heard from since that night of the "party", so I doubt she gave the caller the number and asked him to call her mom and tell her she was okay. I also doubt that the caller knew SG's mom, or even knew her name. So, that leads me to believe the caller took the number from SG's cell phone. And since we have another case of the SK obtaining a family number from a victims cell phone, I think this is a reasonable assumption.

The question is: who exactly WAS that caller? :waitasec:

Hi, Mountain Kat. I think that your statement is well-reasoned and well-stated. What I'm wondering is if a news account of Shannan's disappearance had appeared somewhere in which her mother's name appeared.

If that puzzle can be answered with a no, your final question becomes central.

 

[Redbird]

If we could find where the lady lives who opened the door to Shannan, it would be interesting to see where she lived in relationship to the dr, eh? Course he could have been out driving and seen her run from her house.

They interviewed the neighbor (across the street) in this video:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...rompts-Safety-Tips-For-Escorts-119667424.html

Shannan Gilbert's Disappearance A Timeline

 

[Pinkhammer]

"Any thoughts on the body of the child found, who it might be? That is really bothering me."

I just read a statement by a criminologist who said that many call girls will take their child along if they can't find a sitter in a pinch. I have no idea where they leave the child while conducting business. Perhaps in the car, if they are driving themselves to the client.

 

[chemcopout]

Originally Posted by chemcopout View Post
does anyone know if the drivers carry a gun? would they have a concealed weapon permit allowed due to the nature of their job? not just driving around expensive girls, any client for that matter could potentially be a threat.

if shannon was trying to get back to the driver, why not just scream out to him when he ran into the house? instead she accused the driver and jb of trying to kill her.

now it's possible that's now how the event went down and we are just hearing jb and the drivers' versions. yet these drivers need to be prepared to get those girls out of a hostile situation with a john, they are supposed to be able to protect the girls.

the driver claims he ran out of the house after shannon, yet gc says the driver creeped up in the suv, opened the door, peeped out, then did it again.
its not like the driver was yelling out for shannon he was all stealth about it. gc had to ask him what he was doing.


{qoute chanler}
<modsnip>. In one paragraph, you paraphrase what the driver said Shannan said in the house. In the next, you seem to dismiss their versions. Actually, their versions about Shannan's behavior are not substantially different from those of the old man and the woman and one assumes that the police compared them to the extraordinarily lengthy 911 call that Shannan herself made.

The driver's behavior was perfectly reasonable. By every account, Shannan was running away. Shouting out her name would have only frightened her.

{qoute}\

<modsnip>
i like to think outside the box. so i may have 2 different opinions of something as i have not decided upon either or.

<modsnip> i am not exactly sure who the killer is or if he has an accomplice here. i also am fence sitting on various issues.

now a closed mind and deadset opinion wouldn't allow me to think very far would it?

the versions are different if you want to see them different. they are the same if that's how you want to see it.

<modsnip>
xox

 

[chemcopout]

"Hidey hole?" Alright, BTK. LMAO

lol sistah i can't take the claim of that wording lol i think it was minazoe or another poster, although i love how they worded it so i used the hidey hole

 

[tfrohning]

I apologize, I should've been more clear...I meant did the girls advertise on Long Island's craigslist section or did they advertise in a different area and traveled to Long Island to meet the John?

hmmm excellent question:waitasec:

 

[chemcopout]

Any thoughts on the body of the child found, who it might be? That is really bothering me.

I also wonder if there is a chance of these crimes getting their own section here on websleuths. I'm having a hard time keeping everything straight. I don't even know where to look for the questions I have.

this may have been brought up before idk, however it's possible an escort was going to work and brought her child along, it wouldn't be the first time.
maybe the sk killed them both.

or it could even be a different case. maybe he killed his wife and kid, or his mistress and child, god so many scenarios...

 

[Chanler]

obca = oak beach civic association (thank you lera =)

i found this odd pic off a link on the obca site:
http://www.oakbeachcivicassociation.com/calendar

it's under the section titled "calendar"

it's extremely offensive to me and my family. these rich oak beach people are dressed up as first nation peoples wearing homemade headdresses and boxes.
this is a huge insult to native americans (first nations) and my family and anyone else who is first nation blooded.

they seem to be carrying some metal thing while an onlooker waves an american flag at them?? wth is this? it's not even described under the calendar of events. there's some pale man wearing a cowboy hat in the background.

it's as if they are making a mockery of first nations.

if this is how rich peoples in that community do, it's very close minded of them and doesn't make them look good.

Hi, ChemCopOut, I agree. It's a terrible example for our children.

 

[Chanler]

Originally Posted by chemcopout View Post
does anyone know if the drivers carry a gun? would they have a concealed weapon permit allowed due to the nature of their job? not just driving around expensive girls, any client for that matter could potentially be a threat.

if shannon was trying to get back to the driver, why not just scream out to him when he ran into the house? instead she accused the driver and jb of trying to kill her.

now it's possible that's now how the event went down and we are just hearing jb and the drivers' versions. yet these drivers need to be prepared to get those girls out of a hostile situation with a john, they are supposed to be able to protect the girls.

the driver claims he ran out of the house after shannon, yet gc says the driver creeped up in the suv, opened the door, peeped out, then did it again.
its not like the driver was yelling out for shannon he was all stealth about it. gc had to ask him what he was doing.
Hi, ChemCopOut. In one paragraph, you paraphrase what the driver said Shannan said in the house. In the next, you seem to dismiss their versions. Actually, their versions about Shannan's behavior are not substantially different from those of the old man and the woman and one assumes that the police compared them to the extraordinarily lengthy 911 call that Shannan herself made.

The driver's behavior was perfectly reasonable. By every account, Shannan was running away. Shouting out her name would have only frightened her.

{qoute}\

ok chanler, not everyone is so smart as you with the english language, this is compliment so please use layman's terms here for me.

i like to think outside the box. so i may have 2 different opinions of something as i have not decided upon either or.

Hi, ChemCopOut, you're obviously a generous, modest person. I apologize if I was unclear. Actually, you state perfectly what I like about your posts: You like to think outside the box and you're capable of weighing different opinions at once. I'm sorry if I sometimes come off as being stupidly hostile or stern.