NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

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OldSteve said:
Confused about mention of Shannan since she isn't part of this (so far, at least):


"It was determined Tuesday that the three most recent sets of remains, which were found on April 4, were not those of New Jersey woman Shannan Gilbert"

As per:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-504083_162-504083.html?keyword=oak+beach&tag=contentMain;contentBody
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Proximity of the first 4 bodies to the location where Shannan was working; Craigslist connection; and... ? (I don't recall.) does Shannan fit the physical description of petite, thin, age range of the other victims?
 
svpernin said:
Sticking with this new theory, maybe Shannan's abduction became complicated for some reason. Like she realized someone was following her at some point or that she was in danger and refused to leave JB's house. JB, the neighbor, and the driver did not see what she was afraid of and chocked her reaction up to a bad drug experience. She ran off and the SK caught up with her. Remember, the driver wasn't exactly looking out for Shannan, by his own statements, he was sleeping and playing video games in the car. Someone could have been lurking around there and he would not have noticed. I know this all sounds far-fetched but the stories from the night Shannan went missing are so strange. I can't get my head around it all.
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And unfortunately, I think stillwater's expansion of the current speculation---that,

"He may have stalked all of them this way, with no direct internet or phone contact with the victims - to avoid leaving electronic evidence..." is more likely than my thinking that the SK had made direct electronic contact with Shannan as she was leaving the John's residence. It's a smarter MO. And if the SK communicates, is privy to info from other unknowing or unwitting Johns, he may know where his next victim will be on a particular evening/morning.
 
epiphany said:
And unfortunately, I think stillwater's expansion of the current speculation---that,

"He may have stalked all of them this way, with no direct internet or phone contact with the victims - to avoid leaving electronic evidence..." is more likely than my thinking that the SK had made direct electronic contact with Shannan as she was leaving the John's residence. It's a smarter MO. And if the SK communicates, is privy to info from other unknowing or unwitting Johns, he may know where his next victim will be on a particular evening/morning.
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This does make sense. It indeed seems that whomever it was had inside knowledge of their movements etc
 
I've said it a few times on here already, but if anyone has some free time they should scour some of those escort review sites (I've posted the links a few times already so I won't repost). There are reviews of some of the girls who have already been ID'ed and there is extensive discussion of the bodies discovered on the beach. It's scary stuff to look at knowing what we know now. You have to sign up for some of the sites but most of them are free and worth a look, especially in light of the new theory that is taking shape on this thread.
 
What if Shannan were scheduled to see another client that night, after JB, and it was that man she was afraid of, for some reason? It would explain her reluctance to leave JB's house.

Her pimp and driver would be unlikely to take her fears seriously, especially if she was high. At that moment, everyone could have seemed like the enemy.
 
svpernin said:
I've said it a few times on here already, but if anyone has some free time they should scour some of those escort review sites (I've posted the links a few times already so I won't repost). There are reviews of some of the girls who have already been ID'ed and there is extensive discussion of the bodies discovered on the beach. It's scary stuff to look at knowing what we know now. You have to sign up for some of the sites but most of them are free and worth a look, especially in light of the new theory that is taking shape on this thread.
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Respectfully, BBM
I want to so badly, but I'm a-scared...lol.
 
epiphany said:
Respectfully, BBM
I want to so badly, but I'm a-scared...lol.
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Haha, yeah. I used someone else's login, to be honest. I also haven't researched as much I wanted to because most of my sleuthing is done on a work computer and the stuff on those sites is not appropriate for a work environment, obviously.
 
svpernin said:
I've said it a few times on here already, but if anyone has some free time they should scour some of those escort review sites (I've posted the links a few times already so I won't repost). There are reviews of some of the girls who have already been ID'ed and there is extensive discussion of the bodies discovered on the beach. It's scary stuff to look at knowing what we know now. You have to sign up for some of the sites but most of them are free and worth a look, especially in light of the new theory that is taking shape on this thread.
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Which site specifically was discussing the bodies being found? You don't have to post the link again, just tell me which one so I won't have to dig thorough that stuff!! I have a few names from those sites that I would be very interested in knowing what they have to say about the dead women. Thanks!!!
 
I also find interesting speculation of an inside LE individual (Absolutely, no one in particular!!) or an individual connected to LE peripherally, or the SK dressed in a LE or a related uniform at pick-up of victim, not out of the realm of possibility.
 
Reannan said:
Which site specifically was discussing the bodies being found? You don't have to post the link again, just tell me which one so I won't have to dig thorough that stuff!! I have a few names from those sites that I would be very interested in knowing what they have to say about the dead women. Thanks!!!
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The most interesting thread I found about the murders was on:

http://www.longislanderotic.com/longislanderotic/forum/

It's easy to find but unfortunately you have to register to see it.

I hope it's still there, I haven't checked in week or so.
 
Aleph said:
What if Shannan were scheduled to see another client that night, after JB, and it was that man she was afraid of, for some reason? It would explain her reluctance to leave JB's house.

Her pimp and driver would be unlikely to take her fears seriously, especially if she was high. At that moment, everyone could have seemed like the enemy.
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Hi, I just wanted to clarify that the pimp/driver {same man} was also her BF. I read that in the December articles.
 
svpernin said:
The most interesting thread I found about the murders was on:

http://www.longislanderotic.com/longislanderotic/forum/

It's easy to find but unfortunately you have to register to see it.

I hope it's still there, I haven't checked in week or so.
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Just out of curiosity, is that forum the one that seems to be the most used for Long Island based customers/Johns prior to discovery of the first bodies?
 
scandi said:
Hi, I just wanted to clarify that the pimp/driver {same man} was also her BF. I read that in the December articles.
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Thanks, Scandi. I had seen so much debate about this, I was still unsure.
 
I am trying to put together a chart that has these columns: 'Name, Date Last Seen, Place Last Seen, Work Name, Comments'. The only "work" name I have is for Meagan Waterman (Lexy). Do we know what names the girls used on the streets?? I think it would be very helpful to have a timeline of when the girls were last seen, where they were last seen, etc. to compare to comments and postings on those websites. It really doesn't look like a long, long, list of men who were posting on those sites, but I have only been to a few of the threads. Some of them look a lot like WS's, except they are disgusting to read! It makes me angry to read about what is probably disgusting men who are discussing the girls in terms of "fat" and "old" vs. "young" and "hot". Do these guys who are having to resort to CL honestly think some hot young girl is going to WANT to be with them??? I wish there was an icon for clubbing a fat old loser who trolls on CL over the head.
 
Browsing through utopiaguide...One person wrote:

"It's funny that you mention about being stopped. Everyone speeds on Ocean pkwy, and many, many people get stopped. I would assume that this "guy" (yes absolutely), is from the area, knows ocean parkway, has been stopped there before, and the cops already have their eye on him."

Locals, do you all believe this as well? The killer had to make plenty of trips there...so, it's possible he may have been stopped before.
 
Reannan said:
I am trying to put together a chart that has these columns: 'Name, Date Last Seen, Place Last Seen, Work Name, Comments'. The only "work" name I have is for Meagan Waterman (Lexy). Do we know what names the girls used on the streets?? I think it would be very helpful to have a timeline of when the girls were last seen, where they were last seen, etc. to compare to comments and postings on those websites. It really doesn't look like a long, long, list of men who were posting on those sites, but I have only been to a few of the threads. Some of them look a lot like WS's, except they are disgusting to read! It makes me angry to read about what is probably disgusting men who are discussing the girls in terms of "fat" and "old" vs. "young" and "hot". Do these guys who are having to resort to CL honestly think some hot young girl is going to WANT to be with them??? I wish there was an icon for clubbing a fat old loser who trolls on CL over the head.
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Love that last line!

As for the names:
Melissa was "Chloe" and possibly "Megan"
Amber was "Carolina"
And as you said, Megan was "Lexy"
No idea about Maureen

Internetgirl, what was the name you thought might be Shannan? It started with an S I think??
 
scandi said:
Hi Chemcopout, Do you have a link to that recounting by the neighbor?

I snipped from your post: " . . does anyone remember jb's neighbor's recount about how he was outside with a friend at 2am putting something into a uhaul truck with only a tiny light on?"

Is JB's neighbor the 76 yr old man, Mr C. Ta
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i'm looking for it right now, it's been hard to find the past week. i have found another article in which a neighbor talks to brewer about the bodies:

"A neighbor who spotted Brewer Tuesday recalled commenting about bodies being "dumped" at Oak Beach.

"He [Brewer] just shrugged his shoulders and didn't say anything," said the neighbor, who declined to be identified."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/serial_slay_house_raid_icUSVNRrW8naxbU8gaK5AJ#ixzz1Impog1pH

kind of odd for jb to make no comment especially since a missing girl ran from his house. he didn't even make small talk or say it's horrible...

scandi, this is the important thing; awhile ago you actually posted the link yourself on here and now the link is "not found' (regarding the late night jb & friend uhaul incident)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...#ixzz1IhilP3J8
 
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